Obama Presidency Discussion Thread

How would you vote in the 2008 US Presidential Election?

  • Obama-Biden (Democrat)

    Votes: 67 59.3%
  • McCain-Palin (Republican)

    Votes: 18 15.9%
  • Barr-Root (Libertarian)

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • Nader-Gonzales (Independent-Ecology Party / Peace and Freedom Party)

    Votes: 5 4.4%
  • McKinney-Clemente (Green)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Baldwin-Castle (Constitution)

    Votes: 7 6.2%
  • Gurney-? (Car & Driver)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    113
  • Poll closed .
This thread isn't closing anytime soon, not when idiots like this keep speaking:



I have seen things like this all of my life, coming from an interracial family, it's nothing new. Seeing the Suburbans still with Obama '08 bumper stickers, the custom made Obama victory t-shirts, the nodding in unison from the pews, the applause from Wright's history! lesson and accepting it as fact...

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I've been told since I was old enough to understand that you judge people based on their character, not their skin color. Yet, people lined up in droves to vote for the opposite. Many things don't bother me, but this disturbs be quite a bit.
 
Yes it's such a shame that every who voted for Obama clearly did it because of his skin colour and we know that thankfully no one who voted for McCain would have done it for his skin colour either
 
Ignore this comment. I can't judge Obama just yet though I wouldn't know my self how to run things.
 
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Isn't it great we live in a country that provides free elections to those of adult age? You might not agree with people who voted for Obama, but if you truly like the United States then shouldn't you support their decision to vote for whomever they want for whatever reason?

And as Vasco pointed out, don't you think many people voted for McCain purely because he was white? I mean both must hold true correct?
 
And as Vasco pointed out, don't you think many people voted for McCain purely because he was white? I mean both must hold true correct?

I don't think it would be an equally proportional amount.
 
I don't think it would be an equally proportional amount.

I don't know, it would be an interesting study. I still think more people voted against Obama because of his skin colour. In my view though the Democrats could have ran just about anyone and won because so many people were fed up with Bush.
 
I don't know, it would be an interesting study. I still think more people voted against Obama because of his skin colour. In my view though the Democrats could have ran just about anyone and won because so many people were fed up with Bush.

Even so, these people should have done their research to see McCain was not Bush and that the man they hope will bring change (which is BS now that he keeps bringing folks who've been there for years....) could have made the outcome worse (i.e. his little plan that would have costed us even more money).
 
I don't know, it would be an interesting study. I still think more people voted against Obama because of his skin colour.
I think that study would be more likely to find his skin color only played into confirming the issue they had with his Muslim-sounding name. While I do know of some who made purely racist remarks there were way more people I heard, both locally and on national media, that were concerned about his Muslim name and supposed terrorist ties.

In my view though the Democrats could have ran just about anyone and won because so many people were fed up with Bush.
Looking at Obama's current plans they must be getting pretty angry with him right now. Bailouts, billion dollar stimulus packages, I've heard it all before.



This morning I was listening to Rush in my car and Freewill came on. The end of the chorus just struck me as very relevant to our election this year.

You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill.

28 years later and nothing has changed. We still really only get to choose between two bad ideas.
 
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Even so, these people should have done their research to see McCain was not Bush and that the man they hope will bring change (which is BS now that he keeps bringing folks who've been there for years....) could have made the outcome worse (i.e. his little plan that would have costed us even more money).

Once again, my point being we live in a country that has free elections and you can vote however you what for whatever reason you want to. It wouldn't have matter who the Republicans ran, they would have all been similar to Bush because that is just how their party is currently just as Obama is similar to other Democrats.

I don't really agree with very many Republican values, yes their stance on the economy is pretty good but socially they are a bit backwards in my opinion. I didn't like Bush as a president and I know a lot of other people didn't either, they wanted to try something different hoping it would get better. I can't really blame them.

I think that study would be more likely to find his skin color only played into confirming the issue they had with his Muslim-sounding name. WHile I do know of some who made purely racist remarks there were way more people I heard, both locally and on national media, that were coincerned about his Mulsim name and supposed terrorist ties.

His religion or supposed religion shouldn't play a role either in why you would or wouldn't vote for him. Obama is by no means a terorist and he is a proclaimed Christian (not that it matters). Although as I've said, free elections allow people to vote how they will.

Looking at Obama's current plans they must be getting pretty angry with him right now. Bailouts, billion dollar stimulus packages, I've heard it all before.

Meh you have to do something, leaving the economy in the disaray it is in currently is not going to work.
 
It wouldn't have matter who the Republicans ran, they would have all been similar to Bush because that is just how their party is currently just as Obama is similar to other Democrats.
I'm confused. What are the differences again? I mean really, not just election talk. They all look and sound the same to me, bad.

they wanted to try something different
They did it wrong.

His religion or supposed religion shouldn't play a role either in why you would or wouldn't vote for him. Obama is by no means a terorist and he is a proclaimed Christian (not that it matters). Although as I've said, free elections allow people to vote how they will.
I'm not saying that race should or shouldn't play a role or making a judgment on Obama's religion or terrorist ties. I'm just saying that from my point of view race was not as decisive for the misinformed as the misconception of his religion, and the implications that carried with it.

Meh you have to do something, leaving the economy in the disaray it is in currently is not going to work.
Yeah, but you can't fix the problem by doing more of what caused it (government intervention) either.
 
I'm confused. What are the differences again? I mean really, not just election talk. They all look and sound the same to me, bad.

To you they do, to others they don't. Really the only differences I see between Democrats and Republicans are social issues. I've already said I don't agree with Republicans on that but I wouldn't consider myself a Democrat by any means.

They did it wrong.

How do you figure? Someone who had a different ideology was elected. If Obama fails then we will probably see a Republican president in 2012.

Yeah, but you can't fix the problem by doing more of what caused it (government intervention) either.

I hear a lot of this but I haven't heard anyone who is against the government bailout come up with a better plan that will fix the economy and cause people like me to still have a job after spending $50,000 to get through school. Seriously, I'm all ears. If someone has a better idea I would welcome them telling me.
 
To you they do, to others they don't. Really the only differences I see between Democrats and Republicans are social issues.
The only reason why they appear to have a difference on social issues is that they are shooting for a different demographic of voters. In the end they all want the same thing, government interference, just some want to be able to say God while others don't. The rhetoric during an election makes them appear different, but their actions in office make them look like twins. Democrats promised to get us out of the war, yet once they gained a majority in congress no bill was attempted until election talk started, and even that was just fluff.

Republicans talked about fiscal responsibility.....I don't even think I need to say more on this. Even removing the war from the equation they were anything but.

How do you figure? Someone who had a different ideology rhetoric was elected.
Let's call it like it is, shall we? Sure, voters voted for ideology, but all they were getting was rhetoric. Before the election even happened the Obama campaign was attempting to reduce expectations because they had gone too far. Now he has dropped his windfall profits tax idea. His economic recovery plan is the exact same as what Bush was doing. What people voted for and what they are getting are too different things and they got so caught up in his charisma that they couldn't see that.

So, they did it wrong. They thought they were doing it right, but that doesn't make it so. You and I voted for an actual change that might have actually made a difference, at least as far as bringing up a new way of thinking. Sure none of the third-party candidates would have gotten anywhere against this Congress, but at least they had a truly new way of thinking.

If Obama fails then we will probably see a Republican president in 2012.
Which is also not change.

I hear a lot of this but I haven't heard anyone who is against the government bailout come up with a better plan that will fix the economy and cause people like me to still have a job after spending $50,000 to get through school. Seriously, I'm all ears. If someone has a better idea I would welcome them telling me.
The better idea: Letting the free economy actually work.

Yeah, you might struggle to find a job longer and it will be a painful transition. But that is the cost of fixing a bad economy. It cannot be avoided if you want to do it right. It isn't compassionate or sympathetic, I know, but it is the truth. We bail out an automotive industry that is making the same mistakes they made 20 years ago so they can compete against the same companies they struggled against 20 years ago? Obviously, this industry is failing.

How is it that people have become convinced that taking over a trillion dollars from the people that do know how to run a business and giving it to failing businesses is a good idea? Or that adding over a trillion dollars to our national debt is a good idea?

Why is it that when it comes to the environment we are supposed to think about our children's children's children, but when it comes to the economy the same people tell us to pass the buck on to a later generation?

Sure, you may have trouble finding a job now (I won't even pretend to know what the archeology/anthropology job situation looks like), but at least your kids or grandkids won't be wondering why the Chinese run everything.
 
Isn't it great we live in a country that provides free elections to those of adult age? You might not agree with people who voted for Obama, but if you truly like the United States then shouldn't you support their decision to vote for whomever they want for whatever reason?

And as Vasco pointed out, don't you think many people voted for McCain purely because he was white? I mean both must hold true correct?

Regarding the bolded: absolutely not. That's why democracies are very dangerous.
 
Looking at Obama's current plans they must be getting pretty angry with him right now. Bailouts, billion dollar stimulus packages, I've heard it all before.

Like I pointed out before, it depends on the voter. My hardcore Liberal friends are still pleased that he was elected, but I think they understand that some middle ground positions will have to be taken in order to have a successful Presidency. Similarly, my hardcore Conservative friends who were so worried about him getting elected have calmed down as well.

Right now, we are in the middle of something that hasn't happened for generations, and considering how little Bush and the current Congress is doing, there is a bit of hope that Obama can in fact do something better than those who came before him.

The announcement yesterday for increased infrastructure spending, at least in my mind, was a very good step forward. Now we wait for the price tag...

...This morning I was listening to Rush in my car...

Gross. Why? (lol)
 
The announcement yesterday for increased infrastructure spending, at least in my mind, was a very good step forward. Now we wait for the price tag...
Except he is just doing it to create unnecessary jobs. Sure, I can see where some of this stuff needs to be done, but not the amount he is talking about. I mean, it sounds like he wants to repave all the roads and work on every bridge. It doesn't all need it. And when it does get finished where do those new jobs go?

He will be implementing a plan that will bring in a lot of new jobs, but once the main project is done we won't need anymore of those jobs than we currently have today.

I hope this Band-Aid at least has a cool Disney character on it.



Gross. Why? (lol)
Um, because they are awesome. I figured that was self-explanatory. Of course, their music and your politics may not mix.

If you have Rock Band I highly suggest picking up the Moving Pictures DLC pack. You will learn a lot of appreciation for the complexity of their music. YYZ is probably one of the most fun songs in the game.
 
:lol: Does Walter Williams still guest-host? That's about the only time to tune in.
Perhaps I was misunderstood.

Rush, the band. The awesome band. Not that blabbering, "I don't have guests on my show so I can maintain my superior intelligence, of an entire research team in the other room, over anyone who disagrees with me," loud mouth.

I am talking Geddy Lee, Neil Pert, and Alex Lifeson.

What has this world come to when those two get confused?
 
I knew exactly what you meant ^_^


My teacher is going on insane rants about all the people Obama is picking for his campaigne. I love that class :)
 
He will be implementing a plan that will bring in a lot of new jobs, but once the main project is done we won't need anymore of those jobs than we currently have today.

There are a lot of roads and bridges up here that need a lot of work, and hopefully it will bring some of the laid-off auto workers something in the process. Nevertheless, your point is valid, but you have to think of it as the inverse of the "trickle down." Get people working, they buy things. The more they buy, the more jobs that will eventually be created to produce products, and certainly, for those who need to sell them.

Thats the theory anyway. Rising tides raise all boats, question is, how high can that system raise it?

I hope this Band-Aid at least has a cool Disney character on it.

I was hoping for Batman...

RE: Rush

See, I was thinking Rush Limbaugh, sorry about that. I've never been a huge fan of Rush in general, but I do enjoy playing some of their songs in Rock Band (I have some of the DLC), doing my terrible Getty impression.

I think ATHF ruined Rush for me.
 
He doesn't believe in supporting people's choices (regardless of their reasons) just because they are free to do it.

But surely he should support the right they have to make those choices, wheather one agrees with them or not.
 
There are a lot of roads and bridges up here that need a lot of work, and hopefully it will bring some of the laid-off auto workers something in the process.
How many of those roads and bridges are under federal jurisdiction? He cannot send people in to work on all of those roads, he can only send the money to the states with the stipulation that those are the only things it can be used for. But then you still have to rely on those states to not squander it on the governor's second cousin's husband's over-priced road construction firm.

Even if they did try to be honest about giving out the money you think the crooks won't come out of the woodwork to try and grab those government contracts?

Nevertheless, your point is valid, but you have to think of it as the inverse of the "trickle down." Get people working, they buy things. The more they buy, the more jobs that will eventually be created to produce products, and certainly, for those who need to sell them.
There is a problem with that. They will not buy more than they were bnefore they lost their jobs, which is when teh economy was already going sour. And in many cases they will spend less because they will be desperately trying to get caught up on any missed loan payments and then hang on to what they can so that if it happens again they will have a good emergency fund.

Look at our grandparents and great grandparents. They saw a recession and they saved money. They horded every penny they could. Many didn't even trust it to invest in a market of any kind. When people learn what it is truly like to be without they do not spend money willy nilly.

Thats the theory anyway. Rising tides raise all boats, question is, how high can that system raise it?
The other question is: When that tide recedes what mess will we be left with in the long term? How much driftwood debt will be left behind?

Spending money that does not exist does not put more money into the economy.

RE: Rush

See, I was thinking Rush Limbaugh, sorry about that. I've never been a huge fan of Rush in general, but I do enjoy playing some of their songs in Rock Band (I have some of the DLC), doing my terrible Getty impression.

I think ATHF ruined Rush for me.
I keep rereading my post and I have no clue how people got that confused. I mentioned a chorus, quoted lyrics, and the song title, Freewill, was capitalized. And the lyrics mentioned a phantom fear, which I would think Limbaugh would be considered a promoter of.


And I don't watch ATHF, so I'm not sure what you mean. A quick Google search shows Neil Peart was in the movie.
 
I keep rereading my post and I have no clue how people got that confused. I mentioned a chorus, quoted lyrics, and the song title, Freewill, was capitalized. And the lyrics mentioned a phantom fear, which I would think Limbaugh would be considered a promoter of.
You caught me out the first time as well, and I almost commented on it. I wasn't sure if Freewill was a segment or band or something on Limbaugh, and it wasn't until I read the lyrics that you quoted and then reread everything that I understood.

And I don't watch ATHF, so I'm not sure what you mean. A quick Google search shows Neil Peart was in the movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Journey_Formation_Anniversary
 
You caught me out the first time as well, and I almost commented on it. I wasn't sure if Freewill was a segment or band or something on Limbaugh, and it wasn't until I read the lyrics that you quoted and then reread everything that I understood.
I guess it is a sign of the times. The awesome, "Hey, turn that up," Rush is forgotten as the, "Can we change the channel, puhleeeaase," Rush is at the front of people's minds.

Consider me educated. As this is now two things I have found that they have referenced Rush on I may have to give them a watch.
 
I guess it is a sign of the times. The awesome, "Hey, turn that up," Rush is forgotten as the, "Can we change the channel, puhleeeaase," Rush is at the front of people's minds.

They both fall into that category for me. :yuck:
 
Well, this just got interesting:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_obama


Yes it's such a shame that every who voted for Obama clearly did it because of his skin colour and we know that thankfully no one who voted for McCain would have done it for his skin colour either

And you can prove this? Last time I checked, My friends sure didn't have this reason in mind when they voted.
 
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