Official 2011/12 Barclays Premier League Thread
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But that's like ingesting cyanide instead of strychnine.
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Kenny won't resign, Liverpool were thoroughly outplayed and their defence was appalling, especially for the first goal, but Kenny is doing a pretty decent job, apart from the pressing issue that no one is scoring for Liverpool. Likewise expect Arsenals defence to be full of holes tomorrow without Vermaelen,
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He can't hack it. After Liverpool* he's quit every job when the going got tough. Bought the league with Blackburn, things went tough; resigned. Newcastle, flopped; resigned. Celtic, super flopped; resigned.
And today, it's another case of can't beat the bottom sides.
*In complete fairness, Hillsborough has had a deeply profound effect on him which I am in no way trying to belittle. Only Kenny knows how hard that affected him.
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What a turnaround by Fulham. I follow Fulham and I'm delighted they got such a comprehensive win against a good Newcastle side.
And today, it's another case of can't beat the bottom sides.
*In complete fairness, Hillsborough has had a deeply profound effect on him which I am in no way trying to belittle. Only Kenny knows how hard that affected him.
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What a turnaround by Fulham. I follow Fulham and I'm delighted they got such a comprehensive win against a good Newcastle side.
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I haven't thought that Kean has been good enough. The slide since Allerdyce leaving has been quite alarming. The level of abuse is totally unacceptable though.
However, they're starting to string some decent results, obviously highlighted by that superb win over United.
However, they're starting to string some decent results, obviously highlighted by that superb win over United.
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I think it is mainly the abuse that Kean received is what my support for them derives from. They are getting some good results, Yakubu is a quality player and they missed him today, but for sure getting rid of Sam Allardyce was a mistake. He is an excellent manager and they were in a decent position in the league then, not so much anymore. Bad owners not helping
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Exactly, and although foreign intervention can be beneficial, as seen with Chelsea and Man City, it doesn't always go well, I think it was Portsmouth with the Thai owner who was in effect a criminal, so it can swing both ways. The Venky's though despite all the investment promise haven't really delivered on it, and sacking Sam really didn't improve their stock with the fans, and replacing him with an inexperienced Steve Kean wasn't the best move for the club either.
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Wolves were really unlucky again today but stunning goal from Keane to win it.
Torres dreadful as expected, it makes you wonder where Chelsea would be with a decent striker.
Agree completely. If he's offered the job he's obviously going to take it and he hasn't done a too bad job considering their disgusting owners.
Torres dreadful as expected, it makes you wonder where Chelsea would be with a decent striker.
Agree completely. If he's offered the job he's obviously going to take it and he hasn't done a too bad job considering their disgusting owners.
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I stand corrected, couldn't remember off the top of my head, but there is a serious amount of foreign investment in the Premier League over the past few years, and in my view that's what's been driving up transfer prices, to the ridiculous millions we have now, for not the right players, Carroll and Torres the obvious flops, though Liverpool are unsuited to Carroll's type of playMazdaPrice
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In fairness, or unfairness depending on how you look at it, it's their money that they're throwing away. Nothing we can do about it.
Whatever rules we bring in to curb expenditure, they'll circumnagivate it somehow.
Look at the City/Etihad Stadium deal. It's as bent as a £9 note with Fred Goodwin on the front and Phillip Green on the back.
Whatever rules we bring in to curb expenditure, they'll circumnagivate it somehow.
Look at the City/Etihad Stadium deal. It's as bent as a £9 note with Fred Goodwin on the front and Phillip Green on the back.
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I may have to use that oneMazdaPrice
indeed, but they are forcing higher ticket prices upon us due to the massive amount of debt some owners have as baggage just to acquire the club, which is something we as fans can complain about, though I never get to watch top flight action live anyway.
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I've never watched a Premiership game. Far, far too expensive. Factor in travelling and Manchester United is an hour or so away and we all know how cheap petrol is.
It costs me £17 to watch Conference football! It's a lot to folks in north Wales.
It costs me £17 to watch Conference football! It's a lot to folks in north Wales.
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At least their top and not languishing in 20th.
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True, but it was £13 to watch Telford away. Telford..?
Speaking of bloated transfer fees, checking up on our promotion rivals' match reports and there was a reference to Fleetwood (Another Man City of the non-leagues, just like Crawley)'s "£1 million rated striker" Jamie Vardy.
£1,000,000 for a player from the fifth tier? The fifth tier? It might only be a club valuation reported on the BBC website but still... We've hit six figure sums before thanks to Peterborough buying Mackail-Smith and MacLean from the Conference and Crawley brining Richard Brodie and Sergio Torres into the Conference. But seven figures for non-league? Obscene springs to mind.
Transfer prices certainly are increasing year on year. I blame it on the transfer window system.
Speaking of bloated transfer fees, checking up on our promotion rivals' match reports and there was a reference to Fleetwood (Another Man City of the non-leagues, just like Crawley)'s "£1 million rated striker" Jamie Vardy.
£1,000,000 for a player from the fifth tier? The fifth tier? It might only be a club valuation reported on the BBC website but still... We've hit six figure sums before thanks to Peterborough buying Mackail-Smith and MacLean from the Conference and Crawley brining Richard Brodie and Sergio Torres into the Conference. But seven figures for non-league? Obscene springs to mind.
Transfer prices certainly are increasing year on year. I blame it on the transfer window system.
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That's insane, just a few years ago a million was considered a lot for Championship players never mind non-league.I don't really know too much about the economics of football, but I always though the agents were to blame ?
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The agents are more to do with obscene wages/salaries rather than transfer fees. They do play a part however.
The problem I have with the transfer window system is that it encourages panic buying. You have a very limited time in which to purchase a player, and once the season is started, just four weeks. And panic buying, as we know, often results in simply throwing money at other clubs to sign a player hours or even minutes before the deadline.
Under the old system, the window was open during the season, and was closed a few weeks before the end of the season before reopening in the summer. Teams had the luxury of time to purchase players during the season; purchasing/loaning a striker with those extra goals if you were in a relegation fight or that confident centre back if you are in a relegation dogfight, for example. If your team was struggling, or just outside the promotion places in March, you were able to bring someone in. You can't do that now.
I can understand the problems with this, the old system and why they changed to the new system. The old system, because you could buy players at any time, concurrently meant that you could also sell players at the same time so many of the less affluent clubs had very much a revolving door policy.
But I think this new, shorter window with its panic buys has contributed to the increased transfer fees. The money itself has come from the wonders of satellite television and obscene sponsorship deals.
An off topic post, but football is football and not many people seem to debate it on this forum.
The problem I have with the transfer window system is that it encourages panic buying. You have a very limited time in which to purchase a player, and once the season is started, just four weeks. And panic buying, as we know, often results in simply throwing money at other clubs to sign a player hours or even minutes before the deadline.
Under the old system, the window was open during the season, and was closed a few weeks before the end of the season before reopening in the summer. Teams had the luxury of time to purchase players during the season; purchasing/loaning a striker with those extra goals if you were in a relegation fight or that confident centre back if you are in a relegation dogfight, for example. If your team was struggling, or just outside the promotion places in March, you were able to bring someone in. You can't do that now.
I can understand the problems with this, the old system and why they changed to the new system. The old system, because you could buy players at any time, concurrently meant that you could also sell players at the same time so many of the less affluent clubs had very much a revolving door policy.
But I think this new, shorter window with its panic buys has contributed to the increased transfer fees. The money itself has come from the wonders of satellite television and obscene sponsorship deals.
An off topic post, but football is football and not many people seem to debate it on this forum.
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http://www.manutd.com/en/Tickets-And-Hospitality/Ticket-Prices/Premier-League.aspx
£28 for the cheapest seats, which I imagine would be right near the stanchions. £50 being the most expensive.
£28 for the cheapest seats, which I imagine would be right near the stanchions. £50 being the most expensive.
If I am correct that the conversion is roughly 1.55 x USD, then that isn't really all that expensive, compared to American Football. American Football seats regularly go for $400 (average seating/Family Cost), which would be £258, roughly. The Patriots have the highest FCI, at $597! 
