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(not my pic)
The best part about that picture, is the Pirate Party is the least ridiculous of those three lol.
Speaking for Tasmanians who happen to not be inbred xenophobes, we apologise for Jacqui Lambie.
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The best part about that picture, is the Pirate Party is the least ridiculous of those three lol.
Speaking for Tasmanians who happen to not be inbred xenophobes, we apologise for Jacqui Lambie.
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That seems to be the conventional wisdom, but there are so many pre-polls to be counted that it's a tough call.
And well-deserved, since both parties are utterly hopeless.
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Sour grapes from the Libs.
Consider this: the Medicare scare campaign may not have been entirely truthful, but there is an historical precedent here - I know quite a few people who simply don't trust the coalition when it comes to health care, given what Abbott tried to do.
Meanwhile, the Libs have been arguing that Labour is weak on border protection, given their policies during the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years. However, Labour's asylum seeker policy has since changed to the point where it is virtually indistinguishable from the Libs'. That hasn't stopped them from attacking Labour at every opportunity over it.
So here we have the Libs crying foul over a specious campaign pitch, yet they're quite happy to sling equally-specious globs of mud back across the aisle. One suspects that they're less upset about the claim as they are the way it dominated the final stages of the election campaign - they really lost control of the narrative at a time when they were trying to capitalise on the Brexit instability.
Consider this: the Medicare scare campaign may not have been entirely truthful, but there is an historical precedent here - I know quite a few people who simply don't trust the coalition when it comes to health care, given what Abbott tried to do.
Meanwhile, the Libs have been arguing that Labour is weak on border protection, given their policies during the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years. However, Labour's asylum seeker policy has since changed to the point where it is virtually indistinguishable from the Libs'. That hasn't stopped them from attacking Labour at every opportunity over it.
So here we have the Libs crying foul over a specious campaign pitch, yet they're quite happy to sling equally-specious globs of mud back across the aisle. One suspects that they're less upset about the claim as they are the way it dominated the final stages of the election campaign - they really lost control of the narrative at a time when they were trying to capitalise on the Brexit instability.
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Well, it wasn't the Libs sending people SMS's containing a lie, on election morning, now was it.
IMO it was a very effective lie/ scare monger which undoubtly scored votes. Not my preference, for campaigns to be so negative, but given the global shift to populism, it's effectiveness doesn't surprise me. Lesson to the useless Lib strategists next time.
Agree with you on who won the narrative in the last week though.
Funny to already be reading about possible spills in both parties....
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No, but they would have done it if they'd thought of it.
Eh, I'm sceptical - the Murdoch papers hate Turnbull, so any swing against was going to be followed by calls for his head. And anything aimed at Shorten seems like a pithy attempt at a parthian shot; after all, he won back Tasmania and still got a 1.5% swing in Victoria despite the CFA dispute. I don't think he'd be a particularly effective leader, but he does seem to have rebuilt the party.
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That's the problem, as fair as I'm concerned the stocks of Australian politics are as low as I can remember.
The inept insipid dribble coming from both major parties at the moment is dumbfounding.
It really does give more stock to those that don't want to be forced to vote (who does, I would through choice), sure you can vote informal as you mentioned previously but that doesn't give you your time back for doing it. Let those that want to vote do so and those that don't can do as they choose.
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The thing with forced voting is the AEC reps that go to schools and talk about voting keep saying the same useless dribble about how some people don't get to vote and how we should be lucky to do it.
Last time I checked those who don't have a vote are those who are ruled by dictators(north korea,think some african nations have military rule)
Last time I checked those who don't have a vote are those who are ruled by dictators(north korea,think some african nations have military rule)
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Stupid question, but why has vote counting stopped until Tuesday?
Britain managed to count all votes for Brexit, including overseas ones, in a day.....
Britain managed to count all votes for Brexit, including overseas ones, in a day.....
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Probably on a rdo, they have after all worked 1 day in a row.
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A decent suggestion, but the problem is that the vast majority of the country vote for one of the two major parties, and a lot of people seem to choose their favourite political party in much the same way they choose their favourite footy team. Most of my friends always vote the same way, but if you ask them why, they can't give a valid reason beyond "because the other side is hopeless".
If voting wasn't compulsory, we'd get a lot fewer people, who don't understand politics in the slightest, voting. That would be a good thing, because they often base their vote solely on either randomly choosing their favourite side and always voting for them no matter what, or based on the ridiculous scare campaigns we see every election.
It is in the politicians' best interest to force everyone to vote though, because they can very easily manipulate the less intelligent, or less well educated people, with the cheap tactics we see every time. If voting wasn't mandatory, there would be less impressionable people to sway with scare campaigns and lies.
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Like the greens will ever get into power, they will most likely give their votes to labour or libs.
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I think the current run of election results suggests differently. We haven't had a government with the ability to pass legislation without difficulty since the first Rudd government. Even when Abbott had the majority in the lower house, he still had to deal with the senate cross-benchers. It will take time, but the last three federal elections have seen minority governments, hostile senates, and now the real possibility of a hung parliament.
Of course, the Libs like to dismiss it as populism, or try to pass legislation to limit the power of microparties - Labour, at least, tried to deal with the senate crossbenchers, but since they have been in opposition they have largely avoided the issue - but it just shows how out of touch they are. I don't think that they will be able to ignore the current result, though Scott Morrison's comments last night make me doubt it.
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The ABC is currently putting the Libs on 68 and the Labs on 67, with 11 seats in doubt.
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Hanson has already called for a 'Royal Commission into Islam'. And this cretin holds 3 senate seats?!?
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- mustafur
Don't know why people get soo worked up about people critiquing ideas. No one is born Islamic so what's the problem.
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Were you also up in arms about the sustained attacks on Scientology by Nick Xenophon, where he called for a parliamentary inquiry into it? I'm thinking no. The Greens supported it, with Bob Brown calling Scientology a "dangerous cult". So, will The Greens follow their own precedent and support a Royal Commission into Islam? With Richard Di Natale of The Greens offering a description of "racist and bigoted agenda", I'm thinking no.
Xenophon ultimately broadened the terms to include all religions which is where I absolutely think the scrutiny should lie. Order of urgency, based on what's most "dangerous", might place Scientology right up there. Every reason to think that Islam should be right along side it then.
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What is the difference, it's not like religions are based on what can be proven.
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Yep, that's a difference alright. An entirely pointless one.
You're telling me that once Scientology has a few more years under it's belt you'll rate it as a "proper" religion?
Exactly. Once we get past the baseless bias that sees people subconsciously validate more traditional religions, they all become nothing more than each other, to outsiders - and government should always be an outsider in respect to every religion.
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She won't get it. As the saying goes, you never hold a Royal Commission unless you know the answer going in.
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Note...
Most often "the difference" and "a difference" will be quite well.... different, to people - but it looks like you maybe just want to play little games to distract from you not actually explaining why there's no hypocrisy.
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Some of Hanson's other policies:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...hanson-royal-commission-islam-banking/7566416
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...hanson-royal-commission-islam-banking/7566416
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