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British political in-fighting seems so befuddled and benign compared to the quick-draw knife-flashes of the Oz method. See ya, Tony.
 
TenEightyOne
British political in-fighting seems so befuddled and benign compared to the quick-draw knife-flashes of the Oz method. See ya, Tony.
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It's been very quick-draw this time around. A Liberal MP died earlier this year, and there's a by-election in his seat this weekend. The Libs are facing a major swing against them in what is a very safe seat, which does not bode well for the next federal election, and so there was speculation just 24 hours ago that there could be a challenge - but no-one was expecting it this soon.
 
All I see in our Politics right now is finding your preferred way on wanting to ruin the country. It'll all be bad but you just have to pick your preferred way.
 
Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.

...GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PENIS!
 
Shame we have to wait for another election to be called.

We can put them into power or hire them, but we cant get rid of them by demanding the current step down or demand an election.
 
prisonermonkeys
Government-sponsored anti-radicalisation programme suggests a connection between left-wing politics and environmental activism as precursors to terrorism
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On the one hand; I don't want to be the one who goes down the slippery slope. It's probably just a breeze in a tea cup.
On the other hand; This is the type of ideological conditioning that must be nipped in the bud.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the matter.
 
Vegard
On the one hand; I don't want to be the one who goes down the slippery slope. It's probably just a breeze in a tea cup.
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If sense prevails, it should. But I can't help but feel that Turnbull is purely reactionary at the moment - we haven't seen anything concrete from him in terms of policy.

On the other hand; This is the type of ideological conditioning that must be nipped in the bud.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the matter.
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I strongly suspect that an entire generation of voters will be lost to the conservatives. I teach a couple of subjects that address politics, and most of the students have expressed genuine concern at what the conservatives have done - they generally consider the Abbott government to have been an abject failure marked by a tendency to govern for their powerbase and ignore everyone else.

The cynic in me wonders if this is some kind of indoctrination or conditioning. There's a born-to-rule mentality among the Libs that means they can never be wrong, so if someone is challenging them - like the political left - then they're clearly being subversive. Why do you think they cut funding to the ABC? It wasn't because the ABC is left-leaning; it's because they think a public broadcaster should be a propaganda machine. They actively work to discredit the political left, to the point where one could make the case for Abbott being a tyrant.
 
After yesterday's shooting in Parramatta, I think Turnbull has demonstrated just how different he is to Abbott by acknowledging that the perpetrator was from an absolute minority and the need to work with the Muslim community. Abbott would have jumped to a conclusion played the national security card, pushed through more punitive security measures, and marginalised the Muslim community - even if the shooter wasn't politically motivated (which still hasn't been proven yet).
 
prisonermonkeys
Still believe that the booing of Adam Goodes was just sports fans giving voice to a legitimate opinion about his talent on the sports field?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-20/karvelas-the-racists-are-exposed/6867926
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That source feels a little too biased. There is nothing there to make me not think it was just someone trying to stand up for the Minority JUST BECAUSE they are the Minority. We have already established that there are a few people who hate him racially, every Aboriginal sports person has it but it is completely ignoring other possibilities.

For starters, have you ever heard of the idea that when someone just doesn't like someone they'll spur out random 🤬 even though they don't believe in it? If you compare Adam Goodes to other very Popular Aboriginal stars (even outside AFL), Goodes is considered to receive unfair treatment, incredibly overhyped and also just a very oversensitive 🤬.

I also doubt you go out and actually have public discussions on this topic, I know a lot of Adam Goodes haters and a lot of them have nothing against his race, though like I said it could be just people spurring random 🤬, which while I do think spurring random 🤬 is completely wrong as you aren't even showing your honest opinion, there is no doubt a true reason behind it.

Though even if this was truely racist, I would think Goodes brought all upon himself as he pretty much uses that fact he is a Minority to his Advantage to live higher than any normal person and if you try to give him a negative opinion, he'll go off and use the Race Card. Like I said before spurring stuff like that is wrong but it is rather noticeable to see the real reason behind it and the possibility of Goodes bringing it all up upon himself.
 
RESHIRAM5
I would think Goodes brought all upon himself as he pretty much uses that fact he is a Minority to his Advantage to live higher than any normal person and if you try to give him a negative opinion, he'll go off and use the Race Card.
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The fact that you think that blaming the victim is an appropriate counterpoint not only undermines every point you have made, but proves that you are, in fact, racist yourself. Blaming the victim is never an appropriate response.
 
prisonermonkeys
The fact that you think that blaming the victim is an appropriate counterpoint not only undermines every point you have made, but proves that you are, in fact, racist yourself. Blaming the victim is never an appropriate response.
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Then I actually see how you would call everyone against Adam Goodes racist. So in your dictionary, then I would be a racist.

Sorry but just because someone is the "Victim" doesn't mean that they are completely innocent and they aren't at any fault, you need to look at every side of the dice. Imagine a man who beat up children for several years suddenly got murdered, would you feel sorry for the man and think he is completely innocent and call the killer an 🤬?
 
RESHIRAM5
Imagine a man who beat up children for several years suddenly got murdered, would you feel sorry for the man and think he is completely innocent and call the killer an 🤬?
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That's what we call a straw man argument. It's a logical fallacy.
 
prisonermonkeys
That's what we call a straw man argument. It's a logical fallacy.
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It isn't as Black and White as you say. They both come from using something. Adam using his Race and the Man using violence against Kids. It ended up like what they are using. Adam being entirely booed because of it, Man got murdered for his violence. The fallacy is that Murder is much more worse than simply getting Booed which only just shames the current argument we are having.
 
RESHIRAM5
Then I actually see how you would call everyone against Adam Goodes racist. So in your dictionary, then I would be a racist.
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prisonermonkeys
You are a racist.
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Had stooped to that level already, if you had forgotten. Just as classy as I remembered.

The scenario itself has actually become less and less about racism, and more about some Australians' eagerness to beat down an individual who defies their "Take it on the chin" / "Don't take yourself too seriously" ethos. It's the ugly side of our ego-check system. He'll be stalked long after issues of ethnicity have been set aside.
 
RESHIRAM5
It isn't as Black and White as you say.
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Actually, it is. Rather than address the issue, you invent a hypothetical situation and challenge me to defend it, knowing full well that it is indefensible. If I refused to defend it, you would call me out as a hypocrite for defending one person, but not the other; if I did defend it, then you would point to my willingness to defend a perpetrator of domestic violence as evidence that my defence of Goodes is untenable. But at no point have you actually refuted my actual argument. So stop pretending that you have actually addressed the point.
 
prisonermonkeys
Actually, it is. Rather than address the issue, you invent a hypothetical situation and challenge me to defend it, knowing full well that it is indefensible. If I refused to defend it, you would call me out as a hypocrite for defending one person, but not the other; if I did defend it, then you would point to my willingness to defend a perpetrator of domestic violence as evidence that my defence of Goodes is untenable. But at no point have you actually refuted my actual argument. So stop pretending that you have actually addressed the point.
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What Issue? Calling me a Racist? After my first comment all you did was call me a racist and saying that what I said afterwards is fallacy, you aren't exactly giving me the right options to respond the wa you want.
 

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