PD/SONY Twitter Campaign - READ OP FIRST

YukinoSuzuka
Way to much complaining, wining and moaning. More respect for PD please. They won't listen to those winers that tweets 'What's up with the tirebug PD' or Give us better sounds please.

It won't reach anything like this way ! Not because I started the other thread about videomessaging, but about respect. Didn't see a word of it.
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What about being sincere and express people's feelings the way they want ?
GT planet is full of very reasonable threads with very constructive points. We know PD read them. But they just don't care enough and feel like their own "vision" is more important.

In the end, whatever we say in the tweets on't matter. What does matter is how much noise we'll make.
 
Jawehawk
Respect goes both ways, you know. PD has shown none to their consumers, so why on earth should we show any to them?
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Because they made an whole series of GT, not only GT6. GT4 was the best. Very thankfull to that. Wining and complaining won't reach the goal to change PD's way of work. That's have to change. 'Working' together to safe the GT series. PD will not work together with a bunch of winers and complainer, but with people that think ahead and with same passion as Kaz did 15 years ago till know.

Noise could also be made with a nice edited movie, message, mutual respect and the vision to safe the GT series from a painfull death. Wining and complaining won't help to change the direction PD is goining.
 
The whole goal of this campaign is to force PD to listen. We know they read us here... but it does not work. If we expose our frustrations publicly, then they will HAVE to react.

@YukinoSuzuka

Come on man. If you think a nice litttle video will do the trick, I think you are in for a big desillusion.
 
PD: how much copies did we sell?
SONY: 3,5 M
PD: how much individual tweets are there?
SONY: 750
PD: OK ... 0.02% .... let me think for 1 millisecond ... OK ignore them

(the numbers are assumptions !)
 
Squanto
PD: how much copies did we sell?
SONY: 3,5 M
PD: how much individual tweets are there?
SONY: 750
PD: OK ... 0.02% .... let me think for 1 millisecond ... OK ignore them

(the numbers are assumptions !)
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So? the thing is to give PD bad PR. Not to raise an army.
No company wants to see their products criticized publicly or their bad costumer service called out.

Look at the #NoDRM raid... how much of the whole wordwilde community did it? 0,00000001%? But it made enough noise to change things drastically.

We need to make sure that the rant hits all videogames forums... and hope some people will join.
 
I agree with some of your points, but don't forget nowadays there are always a few people complaining on social media.
If you want to make a point you have to do way better then this, or its just a hot drop of water in a bucket full of cold water ...
 
I think twitter is sorda stupid I don't get it - but I was one that had mentioned this as being an effective tool in 2014...
The thing is... It takes awareness OUTSIDE the forum if a # becomes a trending topic...
So yes - we are a small community - twitter is a large community.
Sony doesn't hang out here. Sony does on twitter...
PD seems to ignore us - whatever - they don't ignore full fledged bad press... Pride is important to them. They will want to prove their game is the top sim racer.
It's nearly impossible to do this without serious collective FOCUSED work... one - three hashtags that are common that can be retweeted. One - three of the same recipients

1. You must direct your tweet at the proper recipient(s)
2. You must have a common # topic that everyone uses and searches frequently to get OUTSIDE our community
Ex. #gt6 people search "gt6" more than they search "gt6concerns" or "gt6soundssuck" - don't over think this... This board proves there are 100 things people want different - that is for you to get creative in fitting that into 140 letters - the # needs to be 1-2 basic searchable topics or @ recipients.

@kaz @pd @Sony #gt6 is not near what the box says - when??

@kaz @pd @Sony #gt6 has fizzled out for me due to lack of online features I thought we'd get #disappointed

Something like that gets gt6ers around the world favoriting your post
But #disappointed reaches people OThER than #gt6pitstopproblem you know what I mean???

So there are a few BASIC things that can be retweeted and sorda little jabs not irrational children ranting is all it takes

3. Constructive effort and retweeting and favoriting of each other's tweets to gain popularity for the topic -- pD and Sony would love to see gt6 trending - however if it's trending will all negative comments - that gets the firemen out of bed....

4. You must understand none of this will work and you are wasting your time - relax the game is pretty pimp for only costing "a tank of gasoline" basically so chill out... They updated and tweaked gt5 for years - it will come...

@mortgagesbymark if you wanna twitter friend
 
cassiusclay99
So? the thing is to give PD bad PR. Not to raise an army.
No company wants to see their products criticized publicly or their bad costumer service called out.

Look at the #NoDRM raid... how much of the whole wordwilde community did it? 0,00000001%? But it made enough noise to change things drastically.

We need to make sure that the rant hits all videogames forums... and hope some people will join.
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Oh really? EA don't seem to give a damn, and they're doing just fine finiancially. Won the Award for worst Company in America twice, and are known as one of the worst Companies in gaming, yet they aren't changing their ways. Bad PR does Next to nothing. The only thing that Means anything are the sales.

I assume you are referring to the Xbox One when talking about the No DRM thing? If so, that was a massive movement, with Microsoft being trashed everywhere, even on sites that weren't about gaming. It was a fact that this was going to have a massive impact on their sales, and as such, they changed it. You simply can't compare what is attempted in this thread with the MASSIVE uproad regarding the One.
 
Ole
I think twitter is sorda stupid I don't get it - but I was one that had mentioned this as being an effective tool in 2014...
The thing is... It takes awareness OUTSIDE the forum if a # becomes a trending topic...
So yes - we are a small community - twitter is a large community.
Sony doesn't hang out here. Sony does on twitter...
PD seems to ignore us - whatever - they don't ignore full fledged bad press... Pride is important to them. They will want to prove their game is the top sim racer.
It's nearly impossible to do this without serious collective FOCUSED work... one - three hashtags that are common that can be retweeted. One - three of the same recipients

1. You must direct your tweet at the proper recipient(s)
2. You must have a common # topic that everyone uses and searches frequently to get OUTSIDE our community
Ex. #gt6 people search "gt6" more than they search "gt6concerns" or "gt6soundssuck" - don't over think this... This board proves there are 100 things people want different - that is for you to get creative in fitting that into 140 letters - the # needs to be 1-2 basic searchable topics or @ recipients.

@kaz @pd @Sony #gt6 is not near what the box says - when??

@kaz @pd @Sony #gt6 has fizzled out for me due to lack of online features I thought we'd get #disappointed

Something like that gets gt6ers around the world favoriting your post
But #disappointed reaches people OThER than #gt6pitstopproblem you know what I mean???

So there are a few BASIC things that can be retweeted and sorda little jabs not irrational children ranting is all it takes

3. Constructive effort and retweeting and favoriting of each other's tweets to gain popularity for the topic -- pD and Sony would love to see gt6 trending - however if it's trending will all negative comments - that gets the firemen out of bed....

4. You must understand none of this will work and you are wasting your time - relax the game is pretty pimp for only costing "a tank of gasoline" basically so chill out... They updated and tweaked gt5 for years - it will come...

@mortgagesbymark if you wanna twitter friend
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You know, I'm not all against a Twitter action for this. You made a good example how it is possible through twitter and reaching more people then only GT minded and related people. I think a video could work better with the right message, maybe it's a good idea to do both at the same time, with your ideas of making something trending !!
 
Create a video and just link it in the tweet thru a short bitly link
Get creative
The video or a tweet doesn't always have to stir up the recipient to respond it can stir up the masses.

It's much more effective to rally support for your cause than to try to make a change as 1 person.

A video will 1000% not get them to change one stinking thing... A video that trends talking about your experience or disappointment with the game -> that is the spark that causes a fire and the fire of a mass exodus to pcars, forza, AC --THAT hurts bottom lines and is what they are trying to prevent...

@kaz @Sony @pd - #gt6 was oversold and STILL lacking updates - #forza here I come

Whatever creative tweets you can make to make them think that business is going out the door will make them more aware to listen to the consumer
but #forza
gets a whole different audience now than just our community...

A tweet, or a forum thread, or a video is a giant waste of time - change is more likely to happen if someone fears a negative outcome

But if you wanna do a vid - knock yourself out - ill retweet it
 
Jawehawk
Oh really? EA don't seem to give a damn, and they're doing just fine finiancially. Won the Award for worst Company in America twice, and are known as one of the worst Companies in gaming, yet they aren't changing their ways. Bad PR does Next to nothing. The only thing that Means anything are the sales.

I assume you are referring to the Xbox One when talking about the No DRM thing? If so, that was a massive movement, with Microsoft being trashed everywhere, even on sites that weren't about gaming. It was a fact that this was going to have a massive impact on their sales, and as such, they changed it. You simply can't compare what is attempted in this thread with the MASSIVE uproad regarding the One.
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The #NoDRM thing started on NeoGaf... one forum only (most powerful one though I admit)... and then it spreaded on twitter... and that's what made the big medias talk about it. (but they were kept in the loop from the start btw)

Make no mistake: I don't even dream of approaching this kind of coverage... obviously.

But I strongly disagree with you on company's bad PR. that hurts them..especially when you talk bad about their products (EA's reputation cost them money: how much ? No idea... but any company cares about its reputation)

I know there are much more chances for our raid to fail than to succeed.

Anyway: I am in.
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
...the more effective way to do it is to make a youtube video with @[inserttwitterhandlehere] in the title, and for every like it receives, that twitter account would be notified. That's how they get major changes in games like Call of Duty

If you want to do a video-awareness campaign, I would be very willing to help with that. I could make a call to a buddy with 12,000 subs and we could set something up that would more than likely do some work.
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I've highlighted a few other issues with GT/Kaz/PD, & exposed the thinking behind them. See my sig for details. You're more than welcome to read all or some of them word for word, or edit them to you liking.



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cassiusclay99
So? the thing is to give PD bad PR. Not to raise an army.
No company wants to see their products criticized publicly or their bad costumer service called out.
Look at the #NoDRM raid... how much of the whole wordwilde community did it? 0,00000001%? But it made enough noise to change things drastically.
We need to make sure that the rant hits all videogames forums... and hope some people will join.
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Polyphony its professional, does a lot of great things, dont desrespect that.
being a thread on gtplanet, a video on youtube or something at twitter,
we care about GT, we dont want to prejudice GT, Sony or Polyphony.
we're not enemies, why cant it be: PD, we care about GT, could you lissen and talk to us.

we care, let us play
 
lusitanuno
Polyphony its professional, does a lot of great things, dont desrespect that.
being a thread on gtplanet, a video on youtube or something at twitter,
we care about GT, we dont want to prejudice GT, Sony or Polyphony.
we're not enemies, why cant it be: PD, we care about GT, could you lissen and talk to us.

we care, let us play
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Well... I think that kind of nice words is what they got from Gtplanet all along...
I see what you mean; but i feel like,for some of you, we should be sorry to ask for a proper game support, and a proper game in the first place.

How long are we going to let PD ignore us before being allowed to raise the voice?

Anyway... I am not a professional, and if PD ignores costumers' anger, then they are not professional either. this is business.
Dealing with costumers is part of a PR job... but is there PR at PD?
 
When one side of a conversation remains silent as PD has, the other side is left with few options. Silence doesn't work, being polite and patient hasn't worked. What's left? Get up in their grill! Sometimes its the only thing that works and its definitely reached that stage in my opinion. There are more than enough examples of angry consumers changing things, no reason to think this won't have at least some chance of success.
 
cassiusclay99
Well... I think that kind of nice words is what they got from Gtplanet all along... I see what you mean; but i feel like,for some of you, we should be sorry to ask for a proper game support, and a proper game in the first place.How long are we going to let PD ignore us before being allowed to raise the voice?Anyway... I am not a professional, and if PD ignores costumers' anger, then they are not professional either. this is business. Dealing with costumers is part of a PR job... but is there PR at PD?
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we never asked sorry for any suggestion or relief. saying what we like and dislike its quite normal and a sign of intelligence. your right about their way to "deal with costumers" not being the best; i dont understand some of PD decisions nor all this silence, but those dont erase all good things they've donne already. i desagree so much that i do still complain, i just dont see the need for "anger". we do care about GT,Sony and Polyphony, dont we?

Johnnypenso
When one side of a conversation remains silent as PD has, the other side is left with few options. Silence doesn't work, being polite and patient hasn't worked. What's left? Get up in their grill! Sometimes its the only thing that works and its definitely reached that stage in my opinion. There are more than enough examples of angry consumers changing things, no reason to think this won't have at least some chance of success.
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i think it works better if they lissened us everyday saying "we care, let us play"
"anger" wount solve anything, we do care.
if they dont change, whats better than not buying games or dlcs?
 
I'm surprised Jordan hasn't done a front page item. It could then spread to bigger videogame news sites and gain traction. I wonder if Jonnypenso was right when he said this:

Johnnypenso
GTFan is only one hat Jordan wears. He has other bigger hats that take precedence over GTFan...like earning a living...which he's not going to jeopordize by being critical of PD.
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Not sure if GTplanet really makes Jordan any money though. And yes, he(Jordan) might know there is no information Sony can give directly to him regarding the topic, but he got the platform to have gaming journalists take notice and ask questions which could put some actual pressure on Sony to have any form of communcation in this matter.

Or one could try and contact Luke Reilley of IGN, he reviewed both GT5 and GT6 and seems to be the guy who writes GT related news items.

I do remember that Famine did a front page item only two weeks after the issue of GT5s game breaking time flaw got a dedicated thread. We now have the pitstops not working as intended in GT6. It only took a couple of weeks after that news item for the bug to be fixed, a bug that was present in the game for 12 months.
 
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Ole
2. You must have a common # topic that everyone uses and searches frequently to get OUTSIDE our community
Ex. #gt6 people search "gt6" more than they search "gt6concerns" or "gt6soundssuck" - don't over think this... This board proves there are 100 things people want different - that is for you to get creative in fitting that into 140 letters - the # needs to be 1-2 basic searchable topics or @ recipients.

@kaz @pd @Sony #gt6 is not near what the box says - when??

@kaz @pd @Sony #gt6 has fizzled out for me due to lack of online features I thought we'd get #disappointed

Something like that gets gt6ers around the world favoriting your post
But #disappointed reaches people OThER than #gt6pitstopproblem you know what I mean???

So there are a few BASIC things that can be retweeted and sorda little jabs not irrational children ranting is all it takes
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I agree that #GT6 should definitely be used in tweets for this purpose. The wonderful thing about hashtags, however, is you can use more than one. So using that in conjunction with #FixGT6, or more politely #ImproveGT6, would reach the wider audience of GT fans and also be easier to track through the other noise posted to #GT6.

Belligerent nonsense is seldom taken seriously so I like that it has been said to be courteous as possible. A few "jabs" as @Ole said are fine but "FiXz yo 🤬 KazzzzZZzz!11!1!!!" will not help. "Glad the great features from GT5 are in GT6! Wait, where's the speed test?!" is better. "Still no [feature from pre-release]. How long ago did they sell that to us?"

It is certainly worth trying but if it is to be started here we should also use the rules from here. @Jordan and the moderators and other admins have made a valuable, respected community and damaging that is not worth anything.

EDIT: @Raggadish its not so much whether GTP makes Jordan any money but the perception of your professional peers of what you do through social media. You'd be surprised how much Facebook, Twitter, etc. can hurt you professionally, even if they are meant to be of a personal nature. If you're planning to advance your career you may want to keep the drunken night-out-with-friends pictures (among other things) to yourself. ;)
 
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There are too many things wrong with GT6 to put a hash tag on each one. Problems with the game are one thing, but the far bigger issue for me is how PD is treating us, their customers... namely, taking us for granted and leaving us in the dark.

I like #fixGT6 as a simple catchall for game issues and something like #PDtalk2us for politely asking for some open form of communication.
 
This Twitter campaign won't change anything - in Polyphony's World we're beneath them and they'll forever shun the peasants. There's just no other logical explanation, the other big developers in Sony have an online presence and have no trouble connecting with the fans.
 
We should all record a 10 second video clip of us nicely venting our frustrations, compile them together, and post it somewhere.

Lol, I just noticed there is a thread about this. Shows how much I pay attention.
 
The best thing to make a stir is the following (i´m not at twitter so sorry for not having anything to say to this):

You find out about all the Car-games out there in existence. Than you find out about all manufacturers in these games. Than you compare to every manufacturer how they are shown in the game and how the game itself is working and what it does for the fans. For example:

GT6
Nissan Skyline, Lots of models, huge fanbase, people making jokes about the amount of skylines, drives nothing like real, etc.
Forza
Drives good, looks good, physica strange,
Dirt
Not included
Grid
Not included
NFS
Beats all Supercars, can be tuned to look like an icecreamvan

Of course with much more infos ans written somehow more neutral and intelligent. Thats just an example. This takes a huge amount of time to gather the info though.

You do this for every manufacturer and every game. Once done, just send these reports to the public relation guys at every manufacturer. Of course, you have to write it in style and totally being neutral. Just posting facts. This you can promote with twitter than... like spreading the news that these reports exist... this than might get PDs attention. I don´t think the car manufactures care much about how the game itself plays, they are just there for marketing, advertisement and money... thats what they care about. If they would find out about how theire products are viewed by the players in game... that would make them pay attention... ok. That was just an idea. Hopefully someone could understand what I wanted to tell you guys... =D... now back to the twitter thing...
 
Squanto
PD: how much copies did we sell?
SONY: 3,5 M
PD: how much individual tweets are there?
SONY: 750
PD: OK ... 0.02% .... let me think for 1 millisecond ... OK ignore them

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But you could say
Sony: But how many people are still active
PD: couple Thousand

Because i cant see 3.5 million active users now
Also i sugguest
#GT6VGT for the lack of promised concept additions
#GT6creator for Track and Event creators which are still lost
#Livery4GT6 big ask for alot of the community
#GT6Online for bad connections and server issues
#GT62.0 for a large needed update, will it come.
#GT6toGT7 for the obvious, have they dropped it question

Also gonna through out for a more positive note.
#GT6Vita will it come?
#GT6bikes will they come lol
 

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