PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

[Sven Jurgens]

Races were clean this morning on the Nord, but is seems dirty Saturday afternoon is starting early. I reported 3 drivers last race (pointless I know, just letting the room know who to look out for)

I'm not going to hold back after I get bumped off, no more getting away with it. I can tell the difference between accidental and deliberate, plus I know most drivers by now lol. If I haven't seen someone before on the Nord, it's probably a newcomer from the lower SR dredges.... On to my 1,214th race on the Nordschleife!

Btw I always start by passing clean, try again a second time, if rammed off again, gloves are off. But I'll also gladly take someone out when I see them ramming the clean drivers off. Reap what you sow and all that.

 

[astrarobotica]

Remember, it's a Japanese company. It is a very different culture. We have insulted them with our complaints and this is their way of making us regret it.

Come on mate, that's basically stereotyping.

In fact, if anything is indicative of Japanese business culture in relation to consumers it's probably omotenashi, which is sort of a hyper-detailed focus on customer hospitality.

Don't get me wrong, the game is kind of ****ed right now but it's definitely not some sort of cultural revenge because we insulted the penalty system.

 

[Dorofint]

Races were clean this morning on the Nord, but is seems dirty Saturday afternoon is starting early. I reported 3 drivers last race (pointless I know, just letting the room know who to look out for)

I'm not going to hold back after I get bumped off, no more getting away with it. I can tell the difference between accidental and deliberate, plus I know most drivers by now lol. If I haven't seen someone before on the Nord, it's probably a newcomer from the lower SR dredges.... On to my 1,214th race on the Nordschleife!

Btw I always start by passing clean, try again a second time, if rammed off again, gloves are off. But I'll also gladly take someone out when I see them ramming the clean drivers off. Reap what you sow and all that.

Beware of vigilante justice. You can also be wrong. A driver has just made a mistake in front of me and has an accident. I was about 2 car lengths behind him and guaranteed I didn't touch it. But for the driver behind me it looked like I had rammed him. So one lap later he rammed me off the track at the same place. After the race he accused me of being a dirty rammer. Later, after seeing the replay, he apologized to me.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Beware of vigilante justice. You can also be wrong. A driver has just made a mistake in front of me and has an accident. I was about 2 car lengths behind him and guaranteed I didn't touch it. But for the driver behind me it looked like I had rammed him. So one lap later he rammed me off the track at the same place. After the race he accused me of being a dirty rammer. Later, after seeing the replay, he apologized to me.

No worries, I always give the benefit of the doubt and second chance just in case. It's the repeat offenders that irk me. I just got some mistaken identity vigilante justice. He hurt himself more though lol.

 

[oneloops]

Come on mate, that's basically stereotyping.

In fact, if anything is indicative of Japanese business culture in relation to consumers it's probably omotenashi, which is sort of a hyper-detailed focus on customer hospitality.

Don't get me wrong, the game is kind of ****ed right now but it's definitely not some sort of cultural revenge because we insulted the penalty system.

Sorry, but that's more stereotyping than the other user said.

 

[astrarobotica]

Sorry, but that's more stereotyping than the other user said.

Care to explain?

 

[VolkswagenX]

This new penalty system is good for my electric bill.

 

[djidane57]

curiously that "no penalty" system makes a lot of people behave a lot more , since nobody can get a penalty the risk of retaliation is great in case of dirty driving , at least that's what i noticed from the last 4-5 races i did

 

[breeminator]

curiously that "no penalty" system makes a lot of people behave a lot more , since nobody can get a penalty the risk of retaliation is great in case of dirty driving , at least that's what i noticed from the last 4-5 races i did

I've also noticed in EMEA top split on Kie's stream that a lot of people are now pulling over and waiting to give the position back if they accidentally hit someone.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

curiously that "no penalty" system makes a lot of people behave a lot more , since nobody can get a penalty the risk of retaliation is great in case of dirty driving , at least that's what i noticed from the last 4-5 races i did

Yep same here. Saturday afternoon on the Nord is actually cleaner than usual. It's four things:

- Risk of retaliation for bad behavior
- No retaliation for gamed / unfair penalties and no more accidents from people trying to game penalties
- Better matchmaking, no absurd race pace difference, matching now works on DR since everyone is SR.S
- No mess at the penalty zone

It still sucks having to deal with dirty drivers rising up from the SR nether regions, but at least you can deal with them now.

 

[Jayceon47]

Blueticking FIA and Dailies until this penalty system is fixed. Can't even enjoy races where my car is either used as a wall or brake.. 👎

 

[Granadier]

Yep, I've noticed the same. Granted I've been running on my alt, but the majority of my races, even Race B's have been quite clean. When a dirty driver shows up they get dealt with pretty quickly and everyone else has tried to drive really cleanly.

Maybe this was PD's plan the whole time

 

[oneloops]

Care to explain?

Saying that omotenashi is the indicative of Japanese entreprises relations with costumers is more stereotyping than the other user said.

In both cases it can be true. Stereotyping is not a right counter-argument if it matches to reality in the specific case. But omotenashi is stereotyping anyway.

 

[O604]

We need to give the changes to the penalties a chance to mellow out. Maybe about a month.

I haven't been racing but plan to next week. Personally I think Gr.4 DT Seaside and Gr. 3 Suzuka are good tests. On the other hand, Nordschleife is probably one of the toughest to judge the penalty system due to more driver error.

Adjusting to the changes in penalty is a legit skill. As the skill level goes up the settings should be more literal in races. Like "No Contact"/"Light Contact Permitted"/"Penalties Off".

 

[astrarobotica]

Saying that omotenashi is the indicative of Japanese entreprises relations with costumers is more stereotyping than the other user said.

In both cases it can be true. Stereotyping is not a right counter-argument if it matches to reality in the specific case. But omotenashi is stereotyping anyway.

What? What they said was stereotyping because it's completely baseless; suggesting a company intentionally sabotaged their own game, and generically trying to justify that by saying you know, it's a different culture over there, is absurd. I pointed out omotenashi because it's a very real cultural value that directly contradicts their theory.

 

[stpatty]

In my limited racing today I actually saw a penalty for hitting someone off the track. I was doing warm-up at Maggiore. I was on the left of a Mercedes going into the big right hander after the first sector split line. He bumped me, I went off, he got 5 seconds.

 

[elston87]

Race C, I was behind a player who was erratic and all over the road. I kept on bumping into him by accident as I slam on the brakes to avoid punting him off. I made contact with him at least eleven different times of various velocities, but no penalty given to me.

Race B, Maggiore, I was taken out by a player who divebombed my inside line and clipped my tail, sending me off the course and into last place, no penalty given to him.

Can't say I like these changes. Players who race clean, race clean, and don't fear of trading paint during tight racing and attempted overtakes. But other players? Slight jostles and contact that upsets the victim's car balance to send them off the course seems encouraged now. The fear of not getting a penalty unfortunately goes both ways. Also, "Hit the barrier" penalties seem much more severe now. For example, Race C today at the Kallenhard in Nurburgring, lots of players ran me off wide, then I slide on the grass and my tail makes contact with the barrier, not even heavy contact. This used to be a .500 or 1-2 second penalty every time, but now it's a five-second penalty. If these changes stick, then I can't imagine what Tokyo Expressway will be like.

 

[barak181]

If these changes stick, then I can't imagine what Tokyo Expressway will be like.

For me, at least, during the Manu's race on Weds they were 1.5 sec penalties. I'm C/S, if that means anything.

Edit: Wait, the update was Thursday. Never mind. Ignore me.

 

[BaareCZ]

Come on mate, that's basically stereotyping.

In fact, if anything is indicative of Japanese business culture in relation to consumers it's probably omotenashi, which is sort of a hyper-detailed focus on customer hospitality.

Don't get me wrong, the game is kind of ****ed right now but it's definitely not some sort of cultural revenge because we insulted the penalty system.

I wasn't being deadly serious. It was more of a "thinking out loud" thing. I was just disappointed after the races (and the players taking advantage of the new system) and needed to vent. I don't really think PD did this as revenge. But I do think that they might be a little offended by the backlash after 1.53 and so they just kind of don't give a 🤬 anymore. It's the only explanation for why they would release such a joke of a penalty system.

 

[killerjimbag]

I wasn't being deadly serious. It was more of a "thinking out loud" thing. I was just disappointed after the races (and the players taking advantage of the new system) and needed to vent. I don't really think PD did this as revenge. But I do think that they might be a little offended by the backlash after 1.53 and so they just kind of don't give a 🤬 anymore. It's the only explanation for why they would release such a joke of a penalty system.

Yep,that huge Development team is doing a fantastic job. To think how people slammed SMS. At least Ian had the balls to come on here. Good job Sony/Polyphony.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

For me, at least, during the Manu's race on Weds they were 1.5 sec penalties. I'm C/S, if that means anything.

Edit: Wait, the update was Thursday. Never mind. Ignore me.

Fia wall penalties have been 1.5 seconds for a while. It's faster to wall ride at Tokyo in Fia, the 1.5 sec before the breaking zone doesn't slow cars down enough... They have always been 5 sec in daily races. Sometimes you get 10 when you get stuck on the wall triggering the penalty first for contact and another time for wall riding.

Race C, I was behind a player who was erratic and all over the road. I kept on bumping into him by accident as I slam on the brakes to avoid punting him off. I made contact with him at least eleven different times of various velocities, but no penalty given to me.

Race B, Maggiore, I was taken out by a player who divebombed my inside line and clipped my tail, sending me off the course and into last place, no penalty given to him.

Can't say I like these changes. Players who race clean, race clean, and don't fear of trading paint during tight racing and attempted overtakes. But other players? Slight jostles and contact that upsets the victim's car balance to send them off the course seems encouraged now. The fear of not getting a penalty unfortunately goes both ways. Also, "Hit the barrier" penalties seem much more severe now. For example, Race C today at the Kallenhard in Nurburgring, lots of players ran me off wide, then I slide on the grass and my tail makes contact with the barrier, not even heavy contact. This used to be a .500 or 1-2 second penalty every time, but now it's a five-second penalty. If these changes stick, then I can't imagine what Tokyo Expressway will be like.

True, there are still no consequences to reckless out of control driving, but at least you don't get a penalty anymore when a car spins into you.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

curiously that "no penalty" system makes a lot of people behave a lot more

a lot of people are now pulling over and waiting to give the position back

Saturday afternoon on the Nord is actually cleaner than usual

When a dirty driver shows up they get dealt with pretty quickly and everyone else has tried to drive really cleanly

So it's true then, no penality is better than this "insert every update in the last two years" is.

I will be at the track on monday then, racing street cars on Race A. If you are looking for a place to race clean without dirty driver this is the place to be.

 

[Trone_Colby]

Race B has been ok for the most part for me on both of my accounts. Questionble hits but not too bad.

 

[Krypton78]

All this about PD and GTS and is it worth playing anymore remembers me somehow on Star Trek.

Could be a typical episode: Kirk, Spok and McCoy are landing on a barely known planet wich seems to be full of very valuable resources in order to make researches about this matter. But they soon find out there must exist some kind of powerfull mysterious being on the planet, which controls everything there. And no matter how hard our heros try, they can't understand its motivs and neither its possible to communicate with it in any form. Its actions seems totaly random, and it can harm or reward anybody at any time in any ways (guess who this is ). Our heros are standing infront of a difficult question, do we continue our work and hope to have luck or is the risk of getting destroyed or something even worse to high and we leave all the valuable resources where they are?

 

[BaareCZ]

Yep,that huge Development team is doing a fantastic job. To think how people slammed SMS. At least Ian had the balls to come on here. Good job Sony/Polyphony.

That's the thing with PD. We don't know (and we will never know) how many people work on the penalty system. If the rumors of GT7 being a launch title for PS5 are true, it might literally be one guy somewhere in a corner working on it in his downtime.

 

[Sean YZF]

Spent the evening doing race C around the Ring.
DR B SR S.
It was very clean racing overall.
There was one numpty in an early race, but the pack of racers he was involved with sorted him out, we seemed to be lining up to take turns at him, he ended up quitting.
All the races I was involved with after were hard but fair.
I haven't raced another track with the new system, but I imagine Dragon Tail & Suzuka are going to be a nightmare next week.
I'll be DR D by Monday night

 

[killerjimbag]

That's the thing with PD. We don't know (and we will never know) how many people work on the penalty system. If the rumors of GT7 being a launch title for PS5 are true, it might literally be one guy somewhere in a corner working on it in his downtime.

I highly doubt 1 person just changed the penalty system or screwed up the past ones. Regardless,no AAA developer should be this bad.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Spent the evening doing race C around the Ring.
DR B SR S.
It was very clean racing overall.
There was one numpty in an early race, but the pack of racers he was involved with sorted him out, we seemed to be lining up to take turns at him, he ended up quitting.
All the races I was involved with after were hard but fair.
I haven't raced another track with the new system, but I imagine Dragon Tail & Suzuka are going to be a nightmare next week.
I'll be DR D by Monday night

Canada's dirtiest player showed up for one race at the ring. He quit early. I guess his fun has been taken away. No easy races after lowering SR and people don't hesitate to hit back.

 

[barak181]

Welp, I've officially been intentionally pushed off the track because someone didn't want to be passed. 🤬 this. Good night.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

So you can still get a penalty for getting pushed off. I just got bumped into a shortcut penalty. However it's just 0.5 sec, only triggers when not losing time already and compared to ending up with a 7 second penalty in the grass from a bump pass, hundred times better.

Canada's dirtiest was back last race. I saw him get taken out by someone right before I passed them. Not a good time to be playing now after having made so many enemies

Races are still generally cleaner than with a penalty system, tighter battles, faster due to better matchmaking. Also thanks to the people on here for making it one of the best evenings in racing!