PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

[BaareCZ]

And yeah, the dive-bomber isn't malicious, just doesn't know where to brake.

Yeah, why would he waste time learning the proper braking points when he can just use other cars to make the turn, right? And if by some miracle you survive the dive bomb without it ending your race, the "penalty system" will then step in and take care of that for sure. What a 🤬 joke.

if I did all of these contacts I'd get the penalty all three times but for them it was their opponent

Yes, of course YOU would get a penalty for all that. Your DR is A+, his is A. This is a perfect example of the "lower DR armour" in GTS. Your DR is significantly higher then his and therefore (by PD's logic) you should know better than letting yourself get hit by another car. And (by checking his KP profile) I kind of suspect he may be aware of that and may have been abusing it a little. In this game the more experienced players are punished for the mistakes of the less experienced. It's exactly the other 🤬 way around then in real life. It is so stupid and beyond incompetent that it has to be intentional for some (to us) unknown reasons. Probably to get more people to play.

 

[Marron]

So after today's race C at Fuji I can see why people have left the game, especially ones who love to race from the back, you are almost guaranteed a penalty or three for nothing.

Hit a car from behind slightly, penalty to me even though they are still on track and still in front of me.



Hit clean in the back, still my fault.



Get pushed off track, shortcut penalty time.



Contact not a big deal, can happen but I shouldn't get a shortcut penalty for it.


The game even blames two cars for one incident now too.



I was helped around by a slight touch but can sort of understand why I get a penalty, the R4M driver is innocent though and gets the biggest penalty.


There was more nonsense too, will add the videos in the next day or two.



Car moves over late and I make slight contact, bang that's a penalty.

I learned from the FIA rules of the real race that you should not cross the white line at the pit exit.
Other than that, I think it's a mysterious penalty.

 

[ASH32]

you can almost think that the system is rigged towards certain players , for example the T1 exit , you and the german guy are in the exact same situation where you get both sneezed at on your rear bumper at the corner exit , but the penalty doesnt go the same way

I've another example, just watch this .



Is what this deserves. I'm a bad corner-cutter, other people, they do nothing wrong.


Also just in case anyone is in doubt the system is broken.


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In the first video I didn't do it on purpose or anything but it's a perfect example of what you shouldn't be able to do but can.:tdown:
Second video it's just stupid that it can even think you can avoid that and I get a bigger penalty.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I learned from the FIA rules of the real race that you should not cross the white line at the pit exit.
Other than that, I think it's a mysterious penalty.

Isn't there a mention of that in the last update notes? Something about the pit lines

 

[Marron]

Isn't there a mention of that in the last update notes? Something about the pit lines

In real races, cutting the white line at the pit exit is penalized, not what was written in the last update. I just keep that rule. To not destroy anyone else.

 

[meekrab]

Also just in case anyone is in doubt the system is broken.


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In the first video I didn't do it on purpose or anything but it's a perfect example of what you shouldn't be able to do but can.:tdown:
Second video it's just stupid that it can even think you can avoid that and I get a bigger penalty.

The driver on the inside of the corner is favored by the penalty system. It's a well known "feature." I guess you could argue it encourages clean passing because the driver being passed is less likely to fight it closely, er, block if they know they'll get a penalty but really it just encourages dirty passing with contact.

 

[afc5150]

I got absolutely destroyed last night in FIA Nations at DTII when a car exited the pits, immediately crossed the white line onto the racing line (that I was occupying) and un-ghosted. Of course I got the contact penalty and he carried on his merry way.

 

[xxPinkyKissxx]

Feel like I have to add this to the thread. Raging 🤬

 

[O604]

What ever happened to the reasons for penalties? Contact, track limit, etc... Why is back to mystery penalties?

 

[Redneckchef]

No, we are getting reasons for penalties still. I got my 3 seconds for colliding with another car while getting launched by a missile at Sardegna. It does seem like we get no reason when the penalties are ones that are seriously BS. Which might be a big hint hint to PD.

 

[ASH32]

Feel like I have to add this to the thread. Raging 🤬

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Even all that does not do that justice, 4 seconds too, the penalty system is the biggest troll going.

 

[djidane57]

feels like we're playing russian roulette at each and every single contact to determine how big of a penalty we'll get

 

[CarlosEVH]

I really like how two guys can divebomb me from infinity and beyond going too deep in the turn but, despite I brake in the exact point, I could see the first car but no the second, touch the second car and I got the penalty. Amazing system...

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Is what this deserves. I'm a bad corner-cutter, other people, they do nothing wrong.

He got granted temporary 'immunity' to penalties and all because it was started by him driving into people. The car behind made contact with his rear, he drove off-road and probably knew he could without penalization. Dumb people will be dumb.

Yes, of course YOU would get a penalty for all that. Your DR is A+, his is A. This is a perfect example of the "lower DR armour" in GTS.

Yep and I can't believe this is still a thing. Everyone in the lobby no matter what their DR number should receive the same treatment for penalties. 2nd video is absurd, 4s penalty when contact didn't affect either one's race and both cars remained on the track.

A car with a higher DR rank can't prevent a lower DR driver from driving into the back of them. The whole mentor/superior idea doesn't work with a broken SR and penalty system.

The easiest thing to do at this point also makes the most sense, go back to the shared blame system, that way the dirty driver gets no benefit and both try to race without contact. Polyphony has the worst possible situation now where the clean driver is penalized.

It makes sense but PD haven't reversed the system since because it would show they were wrong or a matter of 'pride' and not wanting to take the risk of upsetting those again that cried in 2018. Developers of iRacing, ACC, F1 2019 etc continue using shared fault, it's clearly a system that works for them.

 

[NoStopN]

Status update: nope, I’m staying out of dailies again this week. This is a horrible way to do business for PD, or should I say PlayStation Studios. Giving players reason to a avoid racing is not how you make a good racing game.

 

[Kermit_2142]

Status update: nope, I’m staying out of dailies again this week. This is a horrible way to do business for PD, or should I say PlayStation Studios. Giving players reason to a avoid racing is not how you make a good racing game.

Just this !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Stoicfall]

I've noticed at Laguna Seca this week that people can dive bomb you at any speed into the last corner and it's always just enough to put you in the sand but not give them any penalty. It doesn't pay to be ahead going into the final turn!

 

[fisheye]

I come back to play now and then to see if the penalty system has improved. Today is the day my driving strategy changed. It's always the same flag.

 

[Redneckchef]

Made the mistake of attempting to have fun in race A on a Friday. Now wallowing in the depths of SR hell. Got several penalties for minor to zero contact at the start of the race. At no point did I benefit from said contact, twice I didnt even know as it was that insignificant. Went from SR S to SR B in 3 races for that. Now having to dig out by driving Fuji, where I get penalties because the D/C driver behind me didn't ghost when they DIDN'T BRAKE AT ALL entering turn 1. Going to be here a while.

 

[ASH32]

Made the mistake of attempting to have fun in race A on a Friday. Now wallowing in the depths of SR hell. Got several penalties for minor to zero contact at the start of the race. At no point did I benefit from said contact, twice I didnt even know as it was that insignificant. Went from SR S to SR B in 3 races for that. Now having to dig out by driving Fuji, where I get penalties because the D/C driver behind me didn't ghost when they DIDN'T BRAKE AT ALL entering turn 1. Going to be here a while.

At least against them you can play avoiding them rather than trying to race them, soon enough most will go off and sometimes take other cars off with them.


Not that this is exclusive to lower rated drivers, I passed three A drivers in one corner earlier because one went flying down the inside pushing the other two wide and I had held back so just went inside the lot of them and never saw them again.

 

[Redneckchef]

And for fun and dissecting here are some highlights of the shenanigans from the glorious penalty system overlord last night. I can only defend my driving in the Alsace clips by stating that I screwed up and accidentally set a Q time while warming up so had to push to get a real one. Then while in mid pack it is hard to totally back out at the start without getting totally run over from behind. Which gets me a penalty as well. I was trying my best to race quickly and cleanly. Not always successful, as shown by some bumps in the video.

 

[djidane57]

And for fun and dissecting here are some highlights of the shenanigans from the glorious penalty system overlord last night. I can only defend my driving in the Alsace clips by stating that I screwed up and accidentally set a Q time while warming up so had to push to get a real one. Then while in mid pack it is hard to totally back out at the start without getting totally run over from behind. Which gets me a penalty as well. I was trying my best to race quickly and cleanly. Not always successful, as shown by some bumps in the video.

for the exact same kind of contact the 1st time you get 4sec , the second time 3sec , both without any explanation , like i said : russian roulette

 

[Redneckchef]

for the exact same kind of contact the 1st time you get 4sec , the second time 3sec , both without any explanation , like i said : russian roulette

I must admit my favorite was the penalty for passing under the yellow, with no cars anywhere nearby. But yeah, no rhyme or reason for the times or why a certain person gets the penalty. Although as I made the video I thought the 4 sec might have been from what ended up being 2 contacts, however slight, in a real short time span. Never mind that it gave the other car the advantage

 

[ASH32]

The yellow flag penalty is for passing the ghosted car/s that are reset to track right next to you, it's always done this even when the system was a bit better and it's dumb.

Of course you can sometimes pass non-accident/unghosted cars under yellow without penalty, as long as you don't pass too many.

 

[Redneckchef]

So as I write this I am stuck in the PD created SR hole of hell. I got run into lots, so of course I am dirty and must have SR taken away. Never mind that at least 75pct of that contact was other people's fault. I admit I did make mistakes, but not like that. I got SR downs for a car spinning across the grass into me, a spinning car cutting through the pack and hitting me, and another simply rear ending me multiple times in the interlagos infield. I got SR down for a car ramming me into the wall, and for getting sideswiped the same. Yet now I must race in lobbies where slamming into someone is considered clean as long as you have the lower DR.

I have had fantastic races this week all ruined by someone getting a penalty for slightly tapping another car with no noticeable impact for either driver. I have also witnessed straight out take outside, blatant punts and people being pushed I to barriers with major contact, for no penalty. If you are reading any of this PD, please look at fixing it. If you want to keep dedicated players who will buy your games and keep watching your videos, ads and other content then you need to fix this. Your penalty system gets it wrong more than it gets it right, and that is only if it does anything at all.

Help us.

 

[Junkman55]

Maybe PD is seeing too many multiple accounts where drivers change accounts to get a better driver rating. To me that’s makes for a bad driving in one account to save the rating in the other account . This might be the reason we have drivers taken chances and causing needless penalties. Driver’s that do this shroud not be aloud to have the A rating But have a A* to to tell the other drivers they took the easy way to get their A.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

I wonder if there were changes made lately in the algorithm.

Minor/'nothing' bumps are triggering a range of 1 - 4sec penalties and possibly based on either driver's DR number, (those at the same DR letter too since someone could be thousands of DR apart) severity of impact or a combination of both. This type of contact would trigger nothing, SR down or 1sec at most before.

In my race today, a car ahead moved from my left side to directly in front, let off the throttle and because it's hard to avoid the unavoidable and predict a sudden drop of speed out of nowhere in a non-braking zone without cars ahead of him, I got a 3s penalty for a small bump while gaining no speed advantage or position. Next corner I was bumped from behind while slowing down to avoid bumping the same driver and got another sec.

Anyway, that's just my observation and no surprise in the least if people have caught onto this and are taking advantage of it.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Minor/'nothing' bumps are triggering a range of 1 - 4sec penalties

Remember that the collision mode has changed. The contacts you call minor may carry as much energy as the one sending people way off before. Hence the penalties.

 

[ASH32]

It either doesn't care, or know about force of contact at all, or something is going very wrong, which could be possible because a lot of penalties are not giving a reason for them anymore.

If someone (in EMEA) really wants to test I'm quite happy to test, even by lowering my Dr/Sr to match your's, next week at Monza would be perfect. I can do it or you can run full on into me without even braking and I bet sometimes it'll blame the other driver or at very least do what @djidane57 said and roulette decide the amount of penalty it gives out. I have that little faith in the system at the moment, at least before when we complained it was mostly consistent and predictable.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

or something is going very wrong, which could be possible because a lot of penalties are not giving a reason for them anymore.

Yep, no reason given for mine either. If there was enough force to launch a car off the track from a light tap behind (with collision changes), the given reason would be 'Forcing another car off the track' or 'Colliding with another car'.

The game should have knowledge of contact force given damage simulation exists and is active (light) in FIA races although whether that's calculated and accounted for by the system is unknown. Probably not, lol.