PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

[ASH32]

Ready for a game, ok it's obvious what the outcomes are because they are posted in this thread but we'll play anyway.





There is no chance to race properly when this is happening. No penalties would be better for me because I'd just let all the others smash each other off first and then race.

Also



I mean what a perfect and legal divebomb.

 

[djidane57]

Ready for a game, ok it's obvious what the outcomes are because they are posted in this thread but we'll play anyway.





There is no chance to race properly when this is happening. No penalties would be better for me because I'd just let all the others smash each other off first and then race.

Also



I mean what a perfect and legal divebomb.

no matter where you put yourself on the spectrum , you'll always be wrong no matter what

 

[NoStopN]

The yellow flag penalty is for passing the ghosted car/s that are reset to track right next to you, it's always done this even when the system was a bit better and it's dumb.

Of course you can sometimes pass non-accident/unghosted cars under yellow without penalty, as long as you don't pass too many.

I've passed more ghosted cars under a local yellow flag than I can remember. I've never gotten a penalty for it. So imagine my surprise the first time someone mentioned getting that penalty.

 

[ASH32]

I've passed more ghosted cars under a local yellow flag than I can remember. I've never gotten a penalty for it. So imagine my surprise the first time someone mentioned getting that penalty.

Yes I think it only happens if they are reset to track right at the point you pass them. It may just warn you for doing it to one car but in that case two cars were reset to track right at the wrong time, which would count as ignoring the warning and then carrying on overtaking under yellow.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

So many penalties yet no reasons given. PD needs to add a reason for every penalty that's issued, no exceptions. Imagine someone who's tapped from behind, he gets a penalty and feels hard done by. He decides to crash into an innocent driver or the person who originally bumped him because they think it's nonsense since no reason was given or thought the driver behind was 'gaming' the system.

At the moment I see people that are completely clean with each other yet the system decides to interfere and give one of the drivers a penalty for negligible contact. I don't see how this is a good thing. Negligible contact happens in real racing and I think most stewards are unlikely to issue penalties if no harm was done and both drivers remained on the track.

I also looked back at several videos of the old shared fault system and remembered it was informative for the penalty in the screen below:

The username is the driver who contact was made with, negative SR and the timed penalty. This appeared along with the standard orange SR down and penalty time. So once again, another step back.

 

[barak181]

So, this just happened. And of course, I got an SR down to go with it. Sometimes, I really hate this game...

 

[djidane57]

So, this just happened. And of course, I got an SR down to go with it. Sometimes, I really hate this game...

why did you leave the door wide open on the last lap? i agree the porsche guy is a d*** for squeezing you

 

[barak181]

why did you leave the door wide open on the last lap? i agree the porsche guy is a d*** for squeezing you

Because by the time I realized that he had gotten that much of a better run exiting the final turn onto the straight, it would've be a d*** move to swerve across his nose to get the inside line. So, I conceded the inside. He then proceeded to push me off the track. He later claimed it was bad internet and didn't know I was there.

 

[Junkman55]

The driver on the inside of the corner is favored by the penalty system. It's a well known "feature." I guess you could argue it encourages clean passing because the driver being passed is less likely to fight it closely, er, block if they know they'll get a penalty but really it just encourages dirty passing with contact.

The driver who is entering the turn first has the option to pick his line in and out the driver trying to pass him Is creating a possibly of the penalty If there is contact and that driver passing gains coming out he should be the one to serve a penalty , its that simple.

Maybe PD can solve the penalties system by letting the one serving the penalty let the the car he he had contact with Pass him then all is equal , why take seconds away when drivers making good on mistakes. If the driver takes him out well he should serve the time.
Let’s take a little personal responsibility for our mistakes and have fun racing .

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Maybe PD can solve the penalties system by letting the one serving the penalty let the the car he he had contact with Pass him then all is equal , why take seconds away when drivers making good on mistakes.

It's a good idea and similar to one in Project Cars 2. If you make contact with another car and pass them, a countdown timer starts. Within that time, you need to slow down and give back the position. It's a true sporting gesture so I say why not. My concern is that it could be open to exploitation and gamed.

That's before I mention the system already has difficulty assigning blame correctly. I feel this could only work with a system that could proportion blame accurately and consistently. That said, if more drivers were sporting, we wouldn't need a system to tell you to give back a position. If PD really valued sportmanship, the etiquette videos would have explained and suggested this already.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It's a good idea and similar to one in Project Cars 2. If you make contact with another car and pass them, a countdown timer starts. Within that time, you need to slow down and give back the position. It's a true sporting gesture so I say why not. My concern is that it could be open to exploitation and gamed.

That's before I mention the system already has difficulty assigning blame correctly. I feel this could only work with a system that could proportion blame accurately and consistently. That said, if more drivers were sporting, we wouldn't need a system to tell you to give back a position. If PD really valued sportmanship, the etiquette videos would have explained and suggested this already.

Haha won't work in GT Sport. So often you get a penalty from someone brushing your car on the way to crashing or coming back on the track to go off again. Then you have to wait for that car to recover and pass you

That's before I mention the system already has difficulty assigning blame correctly. That's an understatement, but it has zero difficulty assigning blame incorrectly. I'm gonna see if I can pre-download Tlou2 yet, I think it unlocks on the 19th. After I find the ps4, haven't touched it in a while.

 

[BaareCZ]

the system already has difficulty assigning blame correctly. That's an understatement, but it has zero difficulty assigning blame incorrectly.

Well said.

I'm gonna see if I can pre-download Tlou2 yet, I think it unlocks on the 19th. After I find the ps4, haven't touched it in a while.

The story may be 🤬 compared to the first one but the gameplay looks intense. It's gonna be good. I'll probably get it when it's on sale. I finally got The Witcher III (GOTY Edition) about 3 weeks ago. That game's a freaking masterpiece (if you like RPGs). And for $16, it's an absolute steal. Can't believe it's 5 years old, it looks gorgeous. And considering how "far" I've advanced after 3 weeks of almost daily sessions, this game is gonna take care of me for a couple of months at least. I love it.

 

[Darren Ward]

This week has really sucked. Started at DR C and SR S and now at D, C. The penalty system is not working - I've lost count of the amount of times I have been punted off circuit and received a penalty this week. Also, since when did a 0.5 sec track limit infringement have such a severe impact on SR!

Can't wait for ACC to arrive next week. Hopefully it will provide a better experience. I suspect I won't be playing GT Sport much after that.

 

[barak181]

This week has really sucked. Started at DR C and SR S and now at D, C. The penalty system is not working - I've lost count of the amount of times I have been punted off circuit and received a penalty this week. Also, since when did a 0.5 sec track limit infringement have such a severe impact on SR!

Can't wait for ACC to arrive next week. Hopefully it will provide a better experience. I suspect I won't be playing GT Sport much after that.

I was planning on jumping ship next week, as well. Then I started watching a YTer who's been transitioning from GTS to ACC. The campaign mode looks incredible, in terms of gameplay. Online multiplayer looks like it's in need of serious work.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Online multiplayer looks like it's in need of serious work.

By comparison to GTS, yep. From what I've read/watched about the PC release, it's servers of public/private lobbies with a Safety Rating requirement and a quick play option that drops you into a race already in progress.

Too bad other developers don't follow PD's example of rotating scheduled races. It should be a standard in other racing games because it works so well.

 

[BaareCZ]

Can't wait for ACC to arrive next week. Hopefully it will provide a better experience. I suspect I won't be playing GT Sport much after that.

Yeah, I was going to get it too but then I watched these two videos of the first official console gameplay (released by the developers) and I have to say that I am not impressed. And I'm not talking about the person's driving. It's clearly one of the developer's kids playing (on a D-pad probably). I mean, it's gotta be. Just look at it. Now I'm just going to wait for a couple of reviews first before thinking about getting it. Or at least a couple of gameplay videos done by someone who has actually played a car racing video game before.

I hope I can post these here.

 

[meekrab]

Wasn't expecting much from a 7 year old console, but wow that looks like a huge downgrade from the PC version.

 

[BaareCZ]

Wasn't expecting much from a 7 year old console, but wow that looks like a huge downgrade from the PC version.

I guess GTS has spoiled us a little too much. But I think it's going to look better in person. There's actually a new official gameplay video (captured on a PS4 Pro) and it looks way better. It's on AC's Youtube official media channel if you want to check it out. At least this one is done by someone who's not completely incompetent. That's given me some hope.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I guess GTS has spoiled us a little too much. But I think it's going to look better in person. There's actually a new official gameplay video (captured on a PS4 Pro) and it looks way better. It's on AC's Youtube official media channel if you want to check it out. At least this one is done by someone who's not completely incompetent. That's given me some hope.

But it also suggest that you actually need both a PSpro and a wheel to run and drive the game.

 

[barak181]

But it also suggest that you actually need both a PSpro and a wheel to run and drive the game.

That's what I'm worried about. I hear the original ACC port is horrible on a controller.

 

[DK]

I got the mystery 4sec penalty while on T3 of L1 in Race A just now, ironically as I was farming SR for the FIA races. Maybe the guy behind started coughing up his lungs on my virtual emissions. To cap it off, I got punted into the sand at the hairpin a lap later and the perpetrator got off like a thuggish redneck cop.

 

[93360]

The penalty system doesn't seem to know how to apply appropriate time penalties, particularly when it comes to deliberate rammers because more often than not, there is no justice for the victim.

How exactly is a 4s penalty sufficient for a deliberate ram?

It's pretty obvious in this case because the rammer doesn't even apply their brakes until after driving straight into the back of my car 👎

 

[Redneckchef]

The penalty system doesn't seem to know how to apply appropriate time penalties, particularly when it comes to deliberate rammers because more often than not, there is no justice for the victim.

How exactly is a 4s penalty sufficient for a deliberate ram?

It's pretty obvious in this case because the rammer doesn't even apply their brakes until after driving straight into the back of my car 👎

For measure, I got rammed off at the bus stop last lap into that limbo zone of no return, they only got 1 sec. Simply acting blind.

 

[ASH32]

The penalty system doesn't seem to know how to apply appropriate time penalties, particularly when it comes to deliberate rammers because more often than not, there is no justice for the victim.

How exactly is a 4s penalty sufficient for a deliberate ram?

It's pretty obvious in this case because the rammer doesn't even apply their brakes until after driving straight into the back of my car 👎

The penalty system mainly and to a lesser extent, your driving caused them to get 6 seconds of absolute junk penalties. It's not a surprise they decided to take revenge, maybe if the system didn't punish light taps the way it does and if people left more room and also didn't run into the back of cars being held up (which happens constantly), then we wouldn't even get to the point where people are intentionally punting others, at least some of the time.

Not that I agree with punting, for revenge or otherwise.

 

[93360]

The penalty system mainly and to a lesser extent, your driving caused them to get 6 seconds of absolute junk penalties. It's not a surprise they decided to take revenge, maybe if the system didn't punish light taps the way it does and if people left more room and also didn't run into the back of cars being held up (which happens constantly), then we wouldn't even get to the point where people are intentionally punting others, at least some of the time.

Not that I agree with punting, for revenge or otherwise.

Those 2x 3 second penalties prior to the ram were quite junk and no doubt provoked the rammer.
The penalty system really doesn't do anything to prevent ramming because the initial penalty is often smaller than the time loss for the victim.
That DR reset probably wouldn't even have happened without all the other penalties they earned during the race.
I was watching that dive bomber lean on and running other cars off at corner exits, so I knew it was going to try to do the same to me and drove very defensively.
Although the swipe at T7 was not intentional, it was wishful thinking trying that move without even having any part of the car alongside mine when I started turning into the corner. The other bump was probably also due to a failed dive bomb attempt because I took a shallower defensive line to make it less inviting.
Overall I'd apportion the blame at 50/50 on the penalty system and the rammer.

 

[djidane57]

The penalty system mainly and to a lesser extent, your driving caused them to get 6 seconds of absolute junk penalties. It's not a surprise they decided to take revenge, maybe if the system didn't punish light taps the way it does and if people left more room and also didn't run into the back of cars being held up (which happens constantly), then we wouldn't even get to the point where people are intentionally punting others, at least some of the time.

Not that I agree with punting, for revenge or otherwise.

I think the spanish guy was so fed up with these junk penalties he must have told himself "okay if i get a penalty , at least let be it for a good reason" , hence the punt

 

[Tea_Leaves]

It returns to my earlier points where I mentioned someone is going to retaliate over a minor contact penalty and penalties not fitting the 'bills'. Retaliation is probably happening more often than we think, creating a domino effect leading to more bad experiences and for those who were originally not involved.

Small contact can trigger 1 - 4 second penalties (DR dependent or other unknown factors) while an intentional ram off the track which is instant disqualification IRL is 4 seconds or less. Something doesn't add up, PD.

Although the driver behind was constantly sticking his nose in which I think warrants some form of penalisation but not to an extent the system is currently issuing. It's a non-contact sport, people should try their best to keep it that way and at least the system got it right for once and gave the correct party/divebomber a penalty.

 

[barak181]

I like it better when FIAs were on Sundays....

And of course, I get an SR down arrow, to boot.

 

[baygencos]

Penalty system is garbage! This player abuses the game big time! I watched his replays and he hits every player any time possible. And he wins!
Also it is impossible to compete with a dirty player with ds4 if you are on wheel. The game favors ds4 players and arcade racers unfortunately.

I have seen few players who doesnt qualify, start from the back and take out every player possible. They enjoy ruining other players races. It is hard to understand their madness. They should play fps and wreckfest games. Disgusting people!

 

[Gozie5]

Dirty racers have infiltrated S grade sportsmanship races. Punted of every single race at Monza.