People think GT5 will ship with 800 cars. Things could get ugly.

[Kingdizzi]

Since Yamauchi said GT Mobile and GT5 would have inter-connectivity it seems people got the wrong end of the stick. I don't even see it as a possibility for GT5 to ship on disc with 800+ cars like GT Mobile will and I don't even need my time machine to know that. GT Mobile having 800 cars is not as hard to do compared to GT5 because car models take much less time to create and it has many less modes.

Personally think no more than 600 in GT5 because:

1. This is Gran Turismo which is a huge franchise
2. 600 including Nascar and WRC is more than any other game will provide.

The above mean that Polyphony and Sony will make an absolute killing on DLC from the PSN store. I'm talking charging £5 for 2 tracks and 10 cars which PD could release every month. Contrary to popular belief GT games are made to make money and Sony as well as PD will milk this game dry.

I think this is thread worthy because when the details of the game are finally announced I think some people are going to be tremendously bitter. It's good to stay grounded because to put it simply 800+ cars plus Nascar and WRC sounds like something which will cost £100.

 

[Jedi2016]

Personally, I'm not "thinking" anything until they actually say what the game will entail. Ditto for the release date.

 

[patriotzero]

600 cars on the way

 

[Sturdy]

“If [the user] unlocks a car in Gran Turismo PSP, it will also be available in Gran Turismo 5.”

Unless something has been seriously lost in translation, it can be inferred that all 800 cars in GT PSP must also be in GT5.

I don't think it's a good idea to commit to that on the front page. I'd love to be proven wrong (let's hope ) but it could just as easily mean that say there are 50 championships you can win, or 50 missions you get a car for, whatever, that the cars you can win there will be in GT5.

At best, that means that say 100 of the cars in GT PSP will be in GT5.

It could easily mean if you win / 'unlock' say a GTR in a special colour scheme, that special colour is then available in GT5... No extra cars, just a previously disallowed colour scheme.

I have to say, the fact that they're releasing special edition pre-order cars in special colours doesn't bode well for being able to respray your car

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Since Yamauchi said GT Mobile and GT5 would have inter-connectivity it seems people got the wrong end of the stick. I don't even see it as a possibility for GT5 to ship on disc with 800+ cars like GT Mobile will and I don't even need my time machine to know that. GT Mobile having 800 cars is not as hard to do compared to GT5 because car models take much less time to create and it has many less modes.

Personally think no more than 600 in GT5 because:

1. This is Gran Turismo which is a huge franchise
2. 600 including Nascar and WRC is more than any other game will provide.

The above mean that Polyphony and Sony will make an absolute killing on DLC from the PSN store. I'm talking charging £5 for 2 tracks and 10 cars which PD could release every month. Contrary to popular belief GT games are made to make money and Sony as well as PD will milk this game dry.

I think this is thread worthy because when the details of the game are finally announced I think some people are going to be tremendously bitter. It's good to stay grounded because to put it simply 800+ cars plus Nascar and WRC sounds like something which will cost £100.

I think I have to put down a small disagreement here. I´m not entirely sure about this though, so bare with me.
I think most GT sales comes from casual gamers, and not the hardcore fans. Wich atleast in my book would mean either a ripoff from PD´s side, or a far less gain than they would account for.
A ripoff for the the casual gamers, whom may not be willing to pay for - or even care about - DLC. That would mean only the HC fans will pay up for any DLC, and since they are far fewer in numbers (I think) than the total number of players, PD would make a far less gain than anticipated.
And that´s the snag here. I´m pretty sure PD knows all this, and therefor will ship GT5 with as much content as possible. No doubt there will be DLC´s, but they will contain new things, and not things that could´ve/should´ve been in the game for starters.

Maybe I´m an optimist in this case though.

 

[Big Right]

With "only" 600 cars, GT5 would get slated by many reviewers simply because it would then be "smaller" than GT4. I think 800+ is realistic but I do worry that we may become impoverished by a constant trickle of DLC. If PD do NASCAR and WRC properly, I honestly wouldn't mind a £100 price tag, but I can see the possibility of releasing a stripped out GT5 for £50 without the WRC etc.

 

[Sturdy]

A ripoff for the the casual gamers, whom may not be willing to pay for - or even care about - DLC. That would mean only the HC fans will pay up for any DLC, and since they are far fewer in numbers (I think) than the total number of players, PD would make a far less gain than anticipated.

Although I see your point, I think that GT5 will sell in pretty similar numbers no matter how much content is in it initially ( within reason of course, maybe not if it's just Prologue with the 'Prologue' taken off the menu screen... )

Casual gamers won't really know how much content is in it, they won't be going through car and track lists. It's Gran Turismo, it'll sell. The DLC is just a way for them to then make more money afterwards.

Even if you are correct that only the hard core fans will pay for DLC, that's still extra money that in my opinion they wouldn't have made if they just put the DLC in the original game.

From Sony / PD's point of view, the attraction of DLC is that once someone has bought your game, that was previously it until the sequel.

It's a lot easier to get someone to give you another few dollars for that new Lamborghini that's just been released, or for the new liveries for this years Nascars...

 

[Kingdizzi]

I think I have to put down a small disagreement here. I´m not entirely sure about this though, so bare with me.
I think most GT sales comes from casual gamers, and not the hardcore fans. Wich atleast in my book would mean either a ripoff from PD´s side, or a far less gain than they would account for.
A ripoff for the the casual gamers, whom may not be willing to pay for - or even care about - DLC. That would mean only the HC fans will pay up for any DLC, and since they are far fewer in numbers (I think) than the total number of players, PD would make a far less gain than anticipated.
And that´s the snag here. I´m pretty sure PD knows all this, and therefor will ship GT5 with as much content as possible. No doubt there will be DLC´s, but they will contain new things, and not things that could´ve/should´ve been in the game for starters.

Maybe I´m an optimist in this case though.

The 'casual' gamers far outnumber the 'hardcore' gamers and that applies to every high selling game. Now if you have a look at PSN downloads COD WAW and COD 4 maps are usually number 1-5 and rest assured most people whom purchase those are casual gamers.

Now say PD release a pack which includes 10 porsche cars with 2 tracks for £7, every sale is going to go straight into Sony's pocket. If only 1% buy the add on and at that time 3 million copies have been sold (we all know GT5 will sell at least 5 million) that is £210k for simply not including those with the disc release.

I will eat my shoe and change my name to Betty if a Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini add on packs are not released.

 

[Eric Demory]

I don't see how it could get ugly.

 

[fasj6418]

It's a mistake on the translation. If you followed GT5 news during E3 time, Kaz has said that the PSP-PS3 thing as a possibility, and mentioned the transfering cars feature as an example, and something that they are trying to add.

The car roster for both games is different. GT PSP has GT4 cars with a few addtions, GT5 has a lot of newer models.

I would love to see 800-1000 models on GT5, but this french interview is no confirmation. I mean, it's from E3 time right? Something is not right with this interview.

I'm sure Amar knows it and can confirm what i'm saying.

 

[hardvibes]

I think

no more no less.

 

[Northstar]

I really think if they release GT5 with less cars than GT PSP there will be a backlash from a large amount of the gaming world.

 

[paulpg87]

I really think if they release GT5 with less cars than GT PSP there will be a backlash from a large amount of the gaming world.

yes i think the same.

 

[Fruitcake]

DLC works good with alot of games (some provide free stuff like Burnout Paradise) so why wouldn't it work for GT5?

 

[balang_479]

Since Yamauchi said GT Mobile and GT5 would have inter-connectivity it seems people got the wrong end of the stick. I don't even see it as a possibility for GT5 to ship on disc with 800+ cars like GT Mobile will and I don't even need my time machine to know that. GT Mobile having 800 cars is not as hard to do compared to GT5 because car models take much less time to create and it has many less modes.

Personally think no more than 600 in GT5 because:

1. This is Gran Turismo which is a huge franchise
2. 600 including Nascar and WRC is more than any other game will provide.

The above mean that Polyphony and Sony will make an absolute killing on DLC from the PSN store. I'm talking charging £5 for 2 tracks and 10 cars which PD could release every month. Contrary to popular belief GT games are made to make money and Sony as well as PD will milk this game dry.

I think this is thread worthy because when the details of the game are finally announced I think some people are going to be tremendously bitter. It's good to stay grounded because to put it simply 800+ cars plus Nascar and WRC sounds like something which will cost £100.

So all your assumptions are based on the fact that YOU think PD cant do it...

rubbish!

 

[Watevaman]

GT5 is probably the only console game I'd pay money to get DLC for. And even then, there are only a few PC games where the "expansions" are worth the money to me.

 

[Lucas]

So all your assumptions are based on the fact that YOU think PD cant do it...

rubbish!

Most of the assumptions in this forum are based in the fact that people think can do it. The only difference is that, if he is wrong, he will be happy. If the other people are wrong, they will be crying for a long time.

 

[Torero82]

“If [the user] unlocks a car in Gran Turismo PSP, it will also be available in Gran Turismo 5.”

That's directly from KY mouth. Look at the front page of this site.

 

[Antti-san]

Unless something has been seriously lost in translation, it can be inferred that all 800 cars in GT PSP must also be in GT5.

Or it could mean that the only cars that you can transfer to GT5 are the ones that you unlock by completing the driving missions (license tests?) in the game.

 

[teh_noob]

SOCOM: US Navy SEALs had the same system of unlocking things on the PSP to transferr them to the PS2 version. I don't doubt that GT5 will do that, too.

 

[Peter]

Better than just 400. Forza should be ashamed, half the cars a portable game has and only a few more tracks.

 

[Francisco67]

Think about how utterly massive GT5 will be, even with "just" 600 cars; how ridiculously detailed and high quality the whole experience will be. People paid $60 for Ridge Racer, for god's sake, just imagine what it'll be like for the average gamer to pay a standard game price and pop in GT5. I don't think anything's going to "get ugly."
We also have good reason to believe, via Amar's post, https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=115870 , that we can cough up something like $100 probably and get all future DLC, which will, in all likelihood, keep coming for YEARS. I'm sure every GT enthusiast who realizes how much time and effort went into this incredible project is going to be alright with that. I know I will.

 

[Fido_le_muet]

GT2 had 600+ cars on PS1 and GT3, with the next generation of console (PS2) had only 150 cars.
I wouldn't be surprised if a similar gap were to happen again.

 

[Torero82]

GT2 had 600+ cars on PS1 and GT3, with the next generation of console (PS2) had only 150 cars.
I wouldn't be surprised if a similar gap were to happen again.

But GT3 was released in 2001, one year after the PS2 launch.

EDIT: GT3 was released 16 months after GT2. Four years have passed since the GT4 launch, an three years in the life of the PS3.

 

[Fido_le_muet]

But GT3 was released in 2001, one year after the PS2 launch.

EDIT: GT3 was released 16 months after GT2. Four years have passed since the GT4 launch, an three years in the life of the PS3.

That's right but the limits of the PS3 are not yet totally known so the gap might be smaller but I still think GT5 will have less car at lauch than GT4 due to the high number of polygons for each car.

 

[Famine]

Personally, I'm not "thinking" anything until they actually say what the game will entail. Ditto for the release date.

Which is exactly spot on.

I won't even believe a release date until the game is actually in my hands.

 

[Torero82]

That's right but the limits of the PS3 are not yet totally known so the gap might be smaller but I still think GT5 will have less car at lauch than GT4 due to the high number of polygons for each car.

Like going from 720 of GT4 to around 600, 650 cars on GT5?
May be possible, sounds reasonable.

But I still think that for different reasons they will include around the same amount of cars in each game. Somehow they have to use the work done for GTPSP in GT5. It's a waste of time, skill, and work otherwise. I think they somehow had to implement a code, a guideline, a software or whatever to take advantage of every progress they made.

 

[Antti-san]

Like going from 720 of GT4 to around 600, 650 cars on GT5?
May be possible, sounds reasonable.

600 cars with detailed interiors is more than enough for me.

 

[thesuperfunk]

GT Mobile having 800 cars is not as hard to do compared to GT5 because car models take much less time to create and it has many less modes.

How do we know that they haven't just downscaled the GT5 models to fit the PSP title accordingly?

 

[chepe371]

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