People think GT5 will ship with 800 cars. Things could get ugly.
- Thread starter Kingdizzi
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There is nothing wrong with making educated guesses about anything in this game. No sane person is going to say that the game will ship with 2000 cars just because details about the game have not yet been released.
Don't enter this thread just to say:
So all your assumptions are based on the fact that YOU think PD cant do it...
rubbish!
What's that supposed to mean? I don't think PD ship the game with 800+ cars?
Hell yeah Polypholy Digital employees don't love you or care about you, they want your money. 800+ cars at launch means more people will be fulfilled with the game and not need to but DLC when compared to the game releasing with 600+ cars. Now if the cars left out of the disc release are Porsche, Ferrari etc I THINK many people would buy it and that is more money in PD'd pocket on top of that $60.
Going to the naughty corner now for thinking.
Don't enter this thread just to say:
So all your assumptions are based on the fact that YOU think PD cant do it...
rubbish!
What's that supposed to mean? I don't think PD ship the game with 800+ cars?
Hell yeah Polypholy Digital employees don't love you or care about you, they want your money. 800+ cars at launch means more people will be fulfilled with the game and not need to but DLC when compared to the game releasing with 600+ cars. Now if the cars left out of the disc release are Porsche, Ferrari etc I THINK many people would buy it and that is more money in PD'd pocket on top of that $60.
Going to the naughty corner now for thinking.
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There is nothing wrong with making educated guesses about anything in this game. No sane person is going to say that the game will ship with 2000 cars just because details about the game have not yet been released.
Don't enter this thread just to say:
So all your assumptions are based on the fact that YOU think PD cant do it...
rubbish!
What's that supposed to mean? I don't think PD ship the game with 800+ cars?
Hell yeah Polypholy Digital employees don't love you or care about you, they want your money. 800+ cars at launch means more people will be fulfilled with the game and not need to but DLC when compared to the game releasing with 600+ cars. Now if the cars left out of the disc release are Porsche, Ferrari etc I THINK many people would buy it and that is more money in PD'd pocket on top of that $60.
Going to the naughty corner now for thinking.
Its supposed to mean that this thread is useless... why create a thread just to say someone thinks this may happen... where is the evidence, why make these assumptions when no one has any idea... stupid thread.
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- Nigel Fox
Well, first of all, Polyphony isn't selling Gran Turismo 5, SONY is. And so far, I haven't seen anything like what you're talking about.
Second of all, I think you need to take another look at the car models for GT Mobile. They look stunningly like Prologue's models, which, of course, are stunning.
Let me tell you what I have seen.
Kazunori floated a balloon for an empty GT HD a few years ago, which you bought content for. No one knew what the pricing structure would be, but it was almost universally hated by the gaming community, so the whole idea quickly vanished.
Turn 10 tried to sell cars for a dollar a pop and one track for ten, and everyone threw a fit. The price eventually dropped by about half, and still people gripe.
If SONY decides to sell GT5 with fewer cars than GT Mobile, and then offers a number of car and track packs, I doubt very many will sell, unless the price is very reasonable, and then it's still gonna cause a lot of complaining about GT5 releasing with held back content.
However, I don't see this. What I do see are companies like Microsoft, EA and Valve ripping people off. The Polyphony team, contrary to what you insist to be true, does indeed seem to care for the fans. Kazunori is adored the world 'round because of this. No, he doesn't spill his guts on the net with ten thousand videos about GT5 development, but then he is up against a monopoly which has basically stolen his whole concept and using it to make money.
I think you're just being hysterical.
You are joking right balang?
Have a look at the threads in this forum and you will be amazed how many people speculate. The Porsche thread is kicking me in the teeth right now or so it seems. It's a common thing which people do balang and it is called speculating and thinking.
To say the least I don't want to have an argument about a game of all things. I get enough of that with patients whom seem to not want to be helped.
Edit: Tenacious D you seem very emotional about what I said. I'm sorry to have to break it to you but PD dont care about anything but your money. The GT games being good are so that you become happy and buy them, that does not mean PD care about customers but rather their wallet. You are going to be shocked at the amount of DLC releases for GT5 and the price.
Have a look at the threads in this forum and you will be amazed how many people speculate. The Porsche thread is kicking me in the teeth right now or so it seems. It's a common thing which people do balang and it is called speculating and thinking.
To say the least I don't want to have an argument about a game of all things. I get enough of that with patients whom seem to not want to be helped.
Edit: Tenacious D you seem very emotional about what I said. I'm sorry to have to break it to you but PD dont care about anything but your money. The GT games being good are so that you become happy and buy them, that does not mean PD care about customers but rather their wallet. You are going to be shocked at the amount of DLC releases for GT5 and the price.
The OP is not stating anything as a fact. He is just expressing his opinion, and unlike most people on here, even backs it up with a couple reasons why he has that opinion. The forum is here for people to discuss many things and he is not breaking any rules by creating this thread...stupid post.
PS. I am mainly a lurker on this forum, but this post just screamed ragging for raggings sake.
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He's not basing it on facts, he's basing it on his fears. That's a different thing. Just like saying Polyphony Digital are coldhearted people who only care about taking our money. Fact? Or opinion?
Throwing one's opinions around and then daring us to disagree is what starts unnecessary arguments here.
Throwing one's opinions around and then daring us to disagree is what starts unnecessary arguments here.
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The main difference between KY´s GT series and most other driving games is that KY is truly a carnut, and he wanted to create a game he himself would enjoy. Most other developer noticed what a great idea that was, and more importent to them, how much money it was in that particular brand of games. It may be true that most devs are after your wallet, and Sony is definitely so, but PD lands in some kind of nomansland in this case.
KY makes this game as much for himself as for the fans, and that is the main difference between him and other developers.
Yes you are correct about that, I have no idea if PD love you or not and simply assumed they do not care about someone they have never met. What I do know for sure is that the GT games are made primarily for business reasons and not to appease car fans. Charging $40 for GT5
shows that that anyone whom says "PD only released GT5 because of the fans" is delusional.
At the end of the day what I'm trying to get across is that GT5 has been made for financial reasons. Due to that the game will not release with 800 cars because not many people will have a reason for DLC. It's like people saying GT5 will last us all generation which I THINK is beyond ridiculous. Of course it could be done is theory but I seriously doubt Sony would want that. I think as soon as GT5 release a small section of the team will do GT5 DLC and the rest GT6.
Sony AND PD will want to release another $60 in a couple years time especially with the engine made and models done.
shows that that anyone whom says "PD only released GT5 because of the fans" is delusional.At the end of the day what I'm trying to get across is that GT5 has been made for financial reasons. Due to that the game will not release with 800 cars because not many people will have a reason for DLC. It's like people saying GT5 will last us all generation which I THINK is beyond ridiculous. Of course it could be done is theory but I seriously doubt Sony would want that. I think as soon as GT5 release a small section of the team will do GT5 DLC and the rest GT6.
Sony AND PD will want to release another $60 in a couple years time especially with the engine made and models done.
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Yes you are correct about that, I have no idea if PD love you or not and simply assumed they do not care about someone they have never met. What I do know for sure is that the GT games are made primarily for business reasons and not to appease car fans. Charging $40 for GT5
At the end of the day what I'm trying to get across is that GT5 has been made for financial reasons. Due to that the game will not release with 800 cars because not many people will have a reason for DLC. It's like people saying GT5 will last us all generation which I THINK is beyond ridiculous. Of course it could be done is theory but I seriously doubt Sony would want that. I think as soon as GT5 release a small section of the team will do GT5 DLC and the rest GT6.
Sony AND PD will want to release another $60 in a couple years time especially with the engine made and models done.
It may be just me because I can not know in what tone are you saying that but it seems to me that you are saying it like if it was a bad thing.
I think it's just the way the world works. Money moves things, and everybody works for something in return, no one does it for free.
Precisely. I like people having nice teeth because it makes them more confident but the primary reason for me becoming a dentist is financial. PD employees love cars but at the end of the day GT5 being made is for financial reasons. Goodness I'm sure Yamauchi is well aware of what Sony think GT5 will do in terms of PS3 sales and that is the reason the game has a huge budget (I don't even need the financial information to know GT5 is the most expensive racing game made).
I'm simply saying that GT5 will not release with too much content for financial reasons. It will still have hundreds of cars, WRC, Nascar etc and that simply shows the stature of Gran Turismo however many cars and tracks will be left for DLC. Like I said if the game releases with 800+ cars I will change my name to Betty.
I'm simply saying that GT5 will not release with too much content for financial reasons. It will still have hundreds of cars, WRC, Nascar etc and that simply shows the stature of Gran Turismo however many cars and tracks will be left for DLC. Like I said if the game releases with 800+ cars I will change my name to Betty.
dancardesigner
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Bet on
Theres no way GT5 will release with less cars than PSP, Sony would get slated, as it would be too obvious they were holding stuff back for dlc, the last game that did that got slated and 🤬 off its fan base. The models for PSP are most likely initially gt5 models that have had the quality reduced, theres no way there modelling every car twice. On that ground it would be reasonable to assume that therefore any models that are complete for PSP will also be complete for GT5, hence why it would be too obvious to leave cars out of GT5. Anyway GT5 is the main game, it would look daft if the mobile version had content that the flagship didn't.
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Too many of you people are far to welcoming of the continual being bent over a barrel when it comes to DLC. There are too many publishers and developers that are abusing DLC.
For cryin' out loud we've already been told COD6 will have map packs, THE GAME IS NOT EVEN OUT YET!!! Hmmm, why not just put the crap in the game and make some new maps to sell later? EA is horrible about DLC. Why are people happy to see a new TW course in the PSN store the same week the friggin game released?
Don't people realize they are getting burned on this? You pay $60 for a game that is loaded with paid advertisements and then the game is deliberately not completed so they can extort MORE money from us for the content that should have been on the disc.
When will the system of gamers say "enough is enough!!!"?
And yes, if GT5 comes out of the box with less cars than GT4, the M$ media (G4, IGN) and Xbots will NEVER let us hear the end of it.
For cryin' out loud we've already been told COD6 will have map packs, THE GAME IS NOT EVEN OUT YET!!! Hmmm, why not just put the crap in the game and make some new maps to sell later? EA is horrible about DLC. Why are people happy to see a new TW course in the PSN store the same week the friggin game released?
Don't people realize they are getting burned on this? You pay $60 for a game that is loaded with paid advertisements and then the game is deliberately not completed so they can extort MORE money from us for the content that should have been on the disc.
When will the system of gamers say "enough is enough!!!"?
And yes, if GT5 comes out of the box with less cars than GT4, the M$ media (G4, IGN) and Xbots will NEVER let us hear the end of it.
dancardesigner
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Well i simply am not going to buy any dlc, at least not until it treduces in price or they bring out some huge expansion pack, screw buying like a couple of car for like a fiver, hell if GT5 was split up into dlc it would probably cost about £5000, im not going to be a mug anyway.
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Gran Turismo 5 should use 500 cars from GT4 and 200 cars never seen in a GT game.
If not; 600 cars from GT4 and 200-250 never before seen. Is this plausible?
If not; 600 cars from GT4 and 200-250 never before seen. Is this plausible?
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First of all, thinking that way, almost every thread in this sub-forum should be immediately locked. Mods are very, very forgiving on this subject. All I see are wishlists (useless), thread that point to "facts" (release dates that do not come from PD/SONY/whoever is in charge, car lists, etc. = useless), and then, speculations (useless, basically every on this forum). The only difference is that this thread has a point. What's the point of an speculation regarding a car maker? Will it make it more probable to have it included in the game if I make a thread about it? If you think it does by using the mentality of "PD employees must be reading this", then by all means, go ahead. You have no proof, only faith. I live my life based on facts. And the fact is that this thread is needed just to make people realize that you can't live based in hope. Sparking good conversation is nothing if the conversation can be resumed only in one word: speculation. So please, don't come here saying this thread is stupid. There are many threads out there more stupid than this one. As stupid you think this thread may be (and this goes for many other members), the truth is that this one actually has a valid point: stop dreaming.
And even words don't make for valid proof of anything. Remember how Kazunori Yamauchi said GT4 would have an online mode?
The defense rests. And The One is 100% correct.
cpp214
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You better start saving up now people. DLC/Monthly subscriptions are now a way of life. Look at iRacing. By my last count, they have around 15,000 monthly subscribers who pay on average about $20 per month just for the service. Additional tracks are anywhere from $15 to $25 each, and extra cars are around $15-$20 each. And people gobble them up each time a new car/track is released.
Just imagine what Kaz & Sony have been dreaming up watching the iRacing phenomena. They could charge $60 for the "chump" version of GT5, in which you get 200 cars and +/- 40 tracks. Then there's the "Platinum" edition of GT5 for $100, in which you get 400+ cars and 80+ tracks, with a "Platinum" discount on all future DLC cars and tracks.
The casual gaming fans will gobble up the "chump" version at $60 a pop, and the hardcore GT fans will similarly gobble up the "platinum" version.
And PD and Sony will churn out DLC cars and tracks for the next 6 years (how long it will take to develop GT6, if they even want to) raking in the cash in a way that will make iRacing look like child's play. I can easily imagine 500,000 to 1 million or so "hardcore" fans who will, on a monthly/quarterly basis, fork over $15-$30 for track/car packs via DLC.
PD and Sony would be crazy not to take advantage of the iRacing model.
They are the only gaming franchise that can take 5 years to develop a title.
Why? Because of the insane loyalty of their fans, and their track record as being Sony's most reliable franchise. Come on people, do the math. I would absolutely be shocked (and quite pleasantly suprised) if I don't have to wind up paying for additional DLC and or becoming a GT5 "subscriber."
You heard it here first...
Just imagine what Kaz & Sony have been dreaming up watching the iRacing phenomena. They could charge $60 for the "chump" version of GT5, in which you get 200 cars and +/- 40 tracks. Then there's the "Platinum" edition of GT5 for $100, in which you get 400+ cars and 80+ tracks, with a "Platinum" discount on all future DLC cars and tracks.
The casual gaming fans will gobble up the "chump" version at $60 a pop, and the hardcore GT fans will similarly gobble up the "platinum" version.
And PD and Sony will churn out DLC cars and tracks for the next 6 years (how long it will take to develop GT6, if they even want to) raking in the cash in a way that will make iRacing look like child's play. I can easily imagine 500,000 to 1 million or so "hardcore" fans who will, on a monthly/quarterly basis, fork over $15-$30 for track/car packs via DLC.
PD and Sony would be crazy not to take advantage of the iRacing model.
They are the only gaming franchise that can take 5 years to develop a title.
Why? Because of the insane loyalty of their fans, and their track record as being Sony's most reliable franchise. Come on people, do the math. I would absolutely be shocked (and quite pleasantly suprised) if I don't have to wind up paying for additional DLC and or becoming a GT5 "subscriber."
You heard it here first...
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The Call Of Duty franchise is a good example as to what a big franchise does in terms of DLC sales. COD4 released close to four years ago and still the map packs remain in the top 10 on PSN. People can say what they want but Infinity Ward and Actvision will have made a killing on just DLC.
Now I expect GT5 to outsell COD4 on the PS3 alone and the former game is only on PS3. I personally never buy DLC but as I keep saying PD will release DLC and people will buy it. It does not mean PD and Sony are evil but at the end of the day Gran Turismo is a huge franchise and both will take advantage.
Matter of fact they already have. Go have a look at the PD website and you will see 3.3 million copies of a prologue sold. If PD can get million to buy that DLC is a certainty.
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You can't really compare an online computer sim to a console sim. Running a game like iRacing actually costs a lot of money and with a small user base costs for consumers will be higher. You also have to realize that iRacing was developed for a totally different crowd(hardcore sim racers/real-life drivers) than the crowd they are making GT5 for(casual gamers/sim racers). It is kind of like WoW, more hardcore players are going to be more likely to pay more for certain things(not sure what types of things they have) than a casual MMORPG player.
Also, they won't be able to release one version of the game that has less than another as that would make the two games incompatible with each other.
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Question... do you think that possibly... just possibly... PD learned from their mistake with GT3? They sorta rushed it and it bit them in the butt. Maybe PD was holding back so long so they can find the limits of the PS3 and push them so we get the best experience possible...
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- They have been doing all the necessary work for five years
- They done over 800 cars and 35 tracks just for mobile version
- Final GT5 will have very similar car roster to mobile version for maximum garage compatibility, but many more tracks
So I can say hello to our new Betty right now
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- They done over 800 cars and 35 tracks just for mobile version
- Final GT5 will have very similar car roster to mobile version for maximum garage compatibility, but many more tracks
So I can say hello to our new Betty right now
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I think Sony are a company that takes into consideration the customer...I am sure the Sony Executives/directors will look at the extra money other companys have made via DLC and think that this is wrong. I think Sony will have DLC but because they love us, all DLC will be free.
I trust that Sony are not interested in the £millions they could make via DLC....Honest
I trust that Sony are not interested in the £millions they could make via DLC....Honest
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I think what ever cars come with GT mobile will be in GT5 and if some of the cars won't fit in a Blueray disc then it will be available for free download. The DLC that would be purchased would be extra content that is not included in the mobile version. I'm thinking new cars that come to market each year, 2010, 2011, etc and future tracks that are not in the mobile and full GT5 game until GT6 comes out.
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Strongly disagree with that.
For me personally i've never been that bothered about the amount of cars. The most important aspects of GT5 for me is the physics engine, online features, number of tracks.
I do agree with the OP I would be surprised if GT5 releases with over 800 cars. My guess is between 500-700. I have no problem with paying for DLC and I reckon GT5 will be supported for many years. The only time I have a problem with DLC is when this is released just a few weeks after the games released i.e some EA games.
Lets forget about GT4 and how many cars that game had because we live in a completely different gaming world. What prolongs racing games these days isn't the amount of cars but what online features the game has. If PD have sacrificed a few cars for the sake of numerous online features then I personally will be very happy because I can always download more cars at a later date.
