Perfect Pedal Mod: A Review...

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I searched on here for a Perfect Pedal mod review but haven't been able to find anything, so I thought I'd give you all my review of the one I've recently fitted to my G27. It's not a cheap mod by any means, (especially when compared to the Nixim mod) so if anyone is interested in getting one, hopefully this review will come in useful. For anyone that is unfamiliar with the Perfect Pedal mod, it is a hydraulic cylinder replacement pedal for you old spring style pedal that comes as standard on the G25/27.

I bought my G27 a few months ago after having a DFGT since launch a few years ago. I was very happy with the DFGT when I first bought it. It was my first wheel and it was bought at around the same time GT5:P came out. I was really impressed with how much more immersive playing driving games became using a wheel.

Not long after getting the DFGT, I got myself a Wheelstand Pro, as the bedside table conversion I'd made just wasn't pleasing the missus being sat in the lounge all the time, so I (we:sly:) decided a stowable solution was needed.

Fast forward a few years and GT5 finally arrives. This is the game I've been waiting for for so long, and the reason I bought the PS3. Time to upgrade the DFGT to something a bit more 'up market' I thought. After weighing up the options of G27 and Fanatec GT wheels, I finally decided to go for the G27, as I'd always like the Logitech products and was a bit concerned about the customer service from Fanatec.

So the G27 arrived and I loved it. After coming from the DFGT, the difference in build quality and feel from the wheel and pedals was incredible. The firmer pedals were especially noticable which was mostly what I was looking for when upgrading.

After a month or so, I saw a mention of the Perfect Pedal mod on Chilicokes thread. I was curious, so I googled it to check it out. I've gotta be honest, I was a bit shocked by the price. After shipping to the UK, it worked out at £180. Now that is a hell of a lot to be spending on just one brake pedal, but something inside me really made me want to get one. About a month later, I see I have enough spare cash to get one. I kept thinking about all the other stuff I needed that I could be spending that money on, but the devil on my shoulder kept telling me; 'buy it...'

A couple of weeks down the line and it's in my hands. (Only after paying £50 import duty on top of the £180! Yikes!!!)The finish and build quality of this product is great. It looks to be made from brushed ally and is a very sturdy piece of kit. I've gotta add too, that the customer service from these guys was second to none. Emails were answered within hours most of the time and the comunication was great. If only everyone provided this kind of service...

Their website says that you can buy a 'ready to fit' version which is one you litterally just bolt in place of the old one, but I was advised they've stopped doing this and now just send out a DIY version which was a bit cheaper. This isn't a problem though, as fitting is really straight forward. It took just over an hour to do, but most of that time is spent just unscrewing about 25 various screws and bolts on the pedal set.

Whilst I had the pedals apart, I swapped the old brake spring with the clutch spring, and and the clutch spring with the accelerator pedal spring which I believe is a common mod. This has given the clutch and gas pedal a slightly stiffer feel which I love but may not be to everyones liking.

Anyway, now my thoughts on the new pedal:

I've gotta say, the difference in feel is incredible. just the same as going from DFGT to G27 pedals. There is so much more feel to the brake pedal, its unbelievable. It's so much easier to brake at 50/60/70/80% of power. Quite often now, I'll find I dont brake at 100% as it's so easy to modulate braking force with the Perfect Pedal, I rarely find myself using the full brake travel.

The pedal is quite stiff to press and it only has around half the travel of the standard one. It took some getting used to, but now I absolutely love it. I did wonder what effect the stiffer pedal would have on my knee after extended periods of hard braking, but I can report that after several 3-4hr sessions, I've not yet experienced any discomfort. The pedal is just as sensitive as the old one at light presses, but to get to full braking force, you really have to mash it, as you would IRL. This means the pedals have to be fixed to something rather than used loose on the floor.


Whether or not it's worth spending so much on (£230 in total!) is a diffferent matter. If you can afford it, I would most definatly say 'go for it!' It would be good to compare it to the Fanatec CSP, as they are load cell and use a spring instead of hydraulics so I'm guessing the feel would be quite different. Unfortunatly, I don't know anyone with the CSP so I can't compare the two myself.

Here are some pics of it when fitted in place:
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If anyone has any questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them.
 
Couldn't find another review? I did one a few months back, have a look here :)

Nice review. Glad that another UK person is feeling the benefit too! 👍
 
I must've missed your thread. Good review there. Shame about all the knuckle heads telling you what to spend your money on though.

Can I ask, did you get hit for the customs charges like I did? I wasn't expecting it to be that high.

Also, I see you bought the ready assembled unit that they've since discontinued in favour of a self assembly kit. Did you send you old pedal back to get the rebate?
 
Yeah, there's a few on here who like to spend your cash for you! Brace yourself... lol

I got stung with Customs too unfortunately. I kept the old pedal. It wasn't cost effective to send it to the US really.

Glad to tell you that six months on and with some pretty hardcore use, the pedal is still perfect! :)
 
Nice comments Stalker.
Your officially now a "LWTSMOG" member.

A what?
Oh, (ludicrous ways to spend money on games)
Welcome to the gang on GT Planet.


Questions.
Does this need refilled, or often?
If so can you feel a difference in response as the oil/lub is used?
Does it ever squeek or make an dumb sound that annoys the hell out of you with continued usage?

* Awaits Possible "Rumoured" T500RS Version
 
Nice review. This is one of the mods I thought about doing after I had finished getting my rig built. I am wondering though.

Do you play with socks or shoes?

My main concern is hurting my foot after long sessions and not wearing shoes.
 
^^ Thanks.

With regards to wearing shoes or socks, personally I find just wearing socks is fine. I don't normally get chance to play GT much because of family life, but when I do, it's normally a 3-4 hour session and I've not once experienced any discomfort with the bottom of my foot.

Mr Latte
Nice comments Stalker.
Your officially now a "LWTSMOG" member.

A what?
Oh, (ludicrous ways to spend money on games)
Welcome to the gang on GT Planet.

Questions.
Does this need refilled, or often?
If so can you feel a difference in response as the oil/lub is used?
Does it ever squeek or make an dumb sound that annoys the hell out of you with continued usage?

* Awaits Possible "Rumoured" T500RS Version

LOL! Ludicrous is right, but I do love my driving games so it's money well spent in my book. One of the great things about being a grown up is being able to treat yourself every so often.👍 TBH, it's easy to forget how much the pedal cost, but I don't think I'll forget about how great a mod this pedal is.

It's funny though, because when I was looking at getting the G27, I'd considered a T500RS, but couldn't justify the price. Who'd have known only a month later the G27 would be upgraded to add up to the same cost as the Thrustmaster! I'm glad I went the route I did and have no regrets.

To answer your questions;

It doesn't squeak or make any other noises come to think of it.

The pedal appears to be a sealed unit so the oil shouldn't ever need changing/ replacing. I seem to remember reading on another site that someone had requested a slightly softer pedal, so maybe that has to be done during the manufacturing stage? It would be a useful addition to be able to change this yourself, but for me the standard pressure is spot on.
 
Could we maybe see a vidieo of it working? Ive been looking at this for a couple months now. Im interested in pedal travel. I know its reduced but how much? Thanks
 
Have a look at this Inside Sim Racing video review of the Perfect Pedal. You can see the full travel of the pedal here:

 
Great reveiw there stalker. I wish I had the cash,but Mrs would kill me. I'm happy with mine for the moment. There was a difference in your racing when the psn was working it was alot smoother and I couldn't catch you at all!
 
Thanks Grimlock.

It certainly has made my driving a lot smoother now I can regulate the braking better. On some tracks I'm up to two seconds quicker with the new set up. That's the kind of difference it's made to my driving.

Whether or not two seconds a lap is worth all that money is a matter of opinion, but I feel it is as I'm fairly serious about my racing games. And what RL racing team wouldn't spend that amount to gain that much time?:sly:
 
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I also using perfect pedal, this is amazing.
before using p.p. it's a really hard works to drive with ABS-0.
but now I can brake accurately & naturally.
Here have a demo drive with perfect pedal with ABS-0:
http://youtu.be/Xnj5UB8iWr0
And this is my setup:
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P.S. I use the G27 original brake pedal replace the clutch pedal,
the feeling and control is much much better now.
 
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Great review. Man I would love to upgrade with one of these, but the money, wow. I'm just about to get a decent car IRL, so I don't think I can push the envelope on my rig any further.
 
Can you make the Perfect pedal softer, more travel so to speak, by reducing the fluid inside the perfect pedal?
 
Can you make the Perfect pedal softer, more travel so to speak, by reducing the fluid inside the perfect pedal?

I doubt it as that would introduce air into the cylinder which would act in the same way as the fluid. You'd be compressing the air first when you braked and then the fluid. Can't see that making much difference.

The only way to achieve a 'softer' pedal would be to change whatever fluid is in it to a more viscous alternative. i.e. not so hard to compress... :)
 
Personally, I don't feel anymore travel is needed in the pedal due to the feel it gives. Currently the pedal has maybe just over half the travel of the original, but for me this is fine. I don't think I'd want it any softer either. One of the reasons I upgraded from the standard pedal was for a stiffer pedal.
 
Personally, I don't feel anymore travel is needed in the pedal due to the feel it gives. Currently the pedal has maybe just over half the travel of the original, but for me this is fine. I don't think I'd want it any softer either. One of the reasons I upgraded from the standard pedal was for a stiffer pedal.

Completely agree. 👍
 
I mentioned it because I remember reading somewhere that the travel was too much limited, talking about 1 centimeter travel. Or was that in case of the APelectrix?
If the travel is more than half of the travel of the original pedal, than I agree. It doesn't have to be softened.
 
Yeah the travel is certainly more than one centimetre. Originally, I want to get the APElectrix mod that you mention, as it was quite a bit cheaper. I emailed the guy selling them and never heard anything back so I don't know if they're still in production. Shame really, as it looked like a good bit of kit.
 
Well, I've got an AP Electrix pedal (He's just restarted selling them I believe, had to 'express my interest' via email a few months ago), it turned up last week. I bought it out of curiosity really.

I haven't fitted it and unless my Perfect Pedal breaks, I doubt if I will. The build quality of the AP mod is 'adequate' to put it politely. I know it's unfair to compare the PP and the AP together because of the huge price difference but the AP is all plastic apart from two steel rods and mine is an unfortunate blue colour which just enhances its toy-like appearance. There's a small rubber stopper included to give some resistance and this in turn pushes a small steel plate down on the load-cell.

I do have a spare pedal so maybe I should try it out but, the overall quality, action and cheap appearance really don't appeal. Even if I didn't have the PP, I wouldn't be overly impressed. I mean, blue plastic?! At least make it black or perhaps red to match the other pedals... 👎
 
Doesn't sound like it's built very well:tdown: I guess for a third of the price of the Perfect Pedal, it's not gonna be to the same standard. But making it blue doesn't really make much sense either.

I'll be curious if you do fit it to your spare pedals what your feedback is on it. I've read in other threads that it's not supposed to be too bad, but that was just compared to the standard pedal.

I've also seen that Nixim do another pedal mod to replace their 'rubber insert' mod. It is basically just a stiffer spring which just replace the standard one but it's more progressive (in that it gets stiffer the more it's pressed down). This could be a good cheap mod for people on a tighter budget. I think it's going for around £21.
 
Yes try the APelectrix on your spare pedals and compare it with the Perfect Pedal.

And if you don't want it anymore,
sell it to me.
 
I just read that you can adjust the pedal's travel and the total force needed to stop.

When you push on the Perfect Pedal, it compresses a hydraulic cylinder that is attached to a pressure sensor. This sensor's electronic output goes into our proprietary circuit board, which translates the signal into a form that is compatible with your computer hardware. You have complete adjustment of the total force needed to stop and also how much the pedal travels. This is all done without changing the pedal pressure/braking force relationship.
LINK
 
It would seem this is right. I've just been on the Perfect Pedal website after reading that link and you can buy an adjustment kit from them. The site doesn't give any pictures of the kit or how you'd make any adjustments (not that I can see anyway), but I'm guessing it'd be a matter of adding thicker/thinner oil to the cylinder as Greeze was saying.

This kit is probably what I'd read about on another site a while ago, but I just assumed any adjustments would have to be made before the unit was sent out. It'd be interesting for sure to get the kit and play around with the pedal firmness, but at the moment I don't think I'll be doing that as I'm happy with the feel of the pedal.
 
Well i think im gonna get the pedal :nervous: Just curious about the tuning kit. Anyone heard any more about it? Tried the email link on the site but it doesnt work.
 
I had hear about an adjustment but the pedal works GREAT just the way it is:tup:

When you order one they charge you a core charge thats refunded when you send your old pedal back. Last year when I ordered mine they were out of the complete pedal and offered me a DIY kit. It was pretty simple to install and you don't have to pay the core charge.

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After I reverse mount the pedals, I feel the travel distance of the perfect pedal is quite natural.I thinks is cause by the lever principle.
The feeling quite like the real thing.
And believe me, the"short" traveling distance with a high resistance is good for
control the braking force, very easy and natural to do fine brake adjustment while entering a conner,especially when driving with ABS-0.

P.S. although we can't adjust the travel distance,but we still can adjust the pushing force anytime. In ps3 GT5 case,after the game loaded into the menu, how hard to do the first step on the pedal is use to calibrate the force of 100% braking. Also can reset by un-plug and re-plug the usb cable then re-calibrate at anytime, even during race section.

For me ,I stepped as hard as I can to get the highest resistance ~
 
Grayfox117
I had hear about an adjustment but the pedal works GREAT just the way it is:tup:

When you order one they charge you a core charge thats refunded when you send your old pedal back. Last year when I ordered mine they were out of the complete pedal and offered me a DIY kit. It was pretty simple to install and you don't have to pay the core charge.

They've stopped the core exchange/ refund now apparently (at least to the UK, not sure about the US), and now just offer the DIY version. But as you rightly say, this is easy enough to fit.

MARC BOLAN
After I reverse mount the pedals, I feel the travel distance of the perfect pedal is quite natural.I thinks is cause by the lever principle.
The feeling quite like the real thing.
And believe me, the"short" traveling distance with a high resistance is good for
control the braking force, very easy and natural to do fine brake adjustment while entering a conner,especially when driving with ABS-0.

Completely agree with this. No adjustment necessary for me:tup:
 

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