Ive not been concentrating as much on the last 2 sectors but i know in the 1st sector i've had a couple of 14:90Xs. I can beat my PB in the first 2 sectors fairly easy but i must of taken that last sector absolutely perfect because i just can't seem to beat it no more. Came close today though with a 347.
I understand the exact situation you guys are talking about, and please believe me that I do not intend to start nor will I drag this out and/or participate in a giant argument about it, and this is not solely directed at Cargo, but rather the entirety of activity that takes place on these Seasonal threads. I understand GTP allows this, so that's settled. But for your consideration:Good choice.
I understand the exact situation you guys are talking about, and please believe me that I do not intend to start nor will I drag this out and/or participate in a giant argument about it, and this is not solely directed at Cargo, but rather the entirety of activity that takes place on these Seasonal threads. I understand GTP allows this, so that's settled. But for your consideration:
It's kind of amusing that it's a faux pas to use two or more accounts because "it still takes positions away from me as far as my best positions go" yet it's perfectly acceptable to share full tuning spec sheets with not just members of GTP, but anyone wandering around the internet. "Put yourself in the little guys shoes"; well I know it's my choice to not steal your work, but how do you think us folk just a little farther down the board under our own power and ability feel about people getting top times without doing their own work?
Just this past week I was in a regrettably negative row with JohnnyPenso about a thought he had that some extra recognition for these seasonal TTs was a swell idea while completely ignoring that a rather substantial number of these "top times" were the product of intellectual (fraud)? I placed that word in parenthesis because I couldn't quite call it theft, as you folks sit here "giving it away", but no, I'm not altogether comfortable with calling it "fraud" either. PD could cure this by supplying cars for these things where we could do nothing to them except get "in" and drive (yes, I mean no aids as well). Was there ever some big discussion over this sharing and the effect on folks not "privy" to this resource? In the end, the true "problem" is people who want fast times, but don't know how or don't want to work on their tuning skills to get the times desired. I was just wondering if anyone here ever thought about this as you swap back and forth.
Again, I know GTP is largely about sharing information and helping the entire breadth of players out there. I just honestly felt the need to "real" things up a bit when I saw the discussion about posting two times. And again, I get that that deal was specifically about top ten positions, and the implications of one person going after multiple spots. I'm not demanding an explanation or anything, but I wonder about the justification if anyone would care to try. Or you can all simply ignore me. Thank You.
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Not at all. It was just your post advising Crank not to use his other ID to claim a (if I understand correctly) 2nd top ten spot that struck me as....ironic/funny. I would say it's the same sport, but not the same league, ballpark, or on the same team.
Hi Charger, there is absolutely nothing wrong with like minded individuals who share a common bond ( we all love playing Gran Turismo) helping each other out and sharing tunes so we can all enhance our gaming experience and help each other to work our way up the leader board.
What if I took this out of the context of a TT, and made the event just an online race? If you come in 4th, and you find out the winner is the tuning guru and 2nd and 3rd are buddies with a "borrowed" tune, how do you feel about your 4th now, and do you wish to line up again? And thank you kindly for your answer!Hi Charger, there is absolutely nothing wrong with like minded individuals who share a common bond ( we all love playing Gran Turismo) helping each other out and sharing tunes so we can all enhance our gaming experience and help each other to work our way up the leader board.
I regard it as a pleasure to see all who care to post here improve. I think most of us like to share and rejoice in each others achievements
Peace out Charger and enjoy the fact that most of us here want to help each other.
AbsolutelyWhat if I took this out of the context of a TT, and made the event just an online race? If you come in 4th, and you find out the winner is the tuning guru and 2nd and 3rd are buddies with a "borrowed" tune, how do you feel about your 4th now, and do you wish to line up again? And thank you kindly for your answer!
All right, good enough. Thank you and the same to you, Joel!Absolutely
All success to everyone, share and share alike. Its all about the fun and enjoyment.
All the best Charger good luck with your endeavours.
Ok, let me enlighten you on a few things here. First off, you are making an apples to oranges comparison here and here is why. Someone taking up 2 or more spots on the leaderboard is not even close to someone using a borrowed tune to better their position. The person using multiple accounts is taking up multiple spots on the leaderboard as opposed to the person using a borrowed tune is only taking up 1 spot. Simple math here. And in answer to your question, "If you come in 4th, and you find out the winner is the tuning guru and 2nd and 3rd are buddies with a "borrowed" tune, how do you feel about your 4th now, and do you wish to line up again? No, I do not wish to line up again, same as if someone beats me with my own tune that I shared....doesn't bother me one bit. It all just makes me try that much harder the next time. So, like I said, apples and oranges here and your comparison has no merit in my opinion.
Now, as for the tuning part, consider this. Not everyone has the time to go and study the tuning forums, learn how to tune, and then put in the time it takes to create the tune. In my case, I have all the time in the world because of my disability and the fact that I can't/don't do much else. I have kids,but they are all grown and have lives' of their own. I have a girlfriend, but she is gone most of the time due to her modeling career. I have no job, obviously because of my inability to work. So as you can see, I have a lot more time on my hands than the average person. Therefore I have no problem helping out and sharing my tunes. Matter of fact, it makes me feel quite good in sharing my work and even better when I hear that they are able to improve their times with what I have provided, and yes, even if they beat my time with a better spot on the leaderboard than me. Unlike the GT Academy coming up, this is a friendly competition type atmosphere here with nothing at stake, the winner gets nothing besides bragging rights. So again, your argument here about the tune sharing really holds no water, at least as far as I'm concerned. You are free to use the tunes posted here just like everyone else, that's why we post them.
Lastly, let me just point this out as to why I am taking exception and taking your post as a personal attack on me and my ways. You start out your first post by saying that this all is not directed solely at me, yet you quote two things exactly as I posted them. It's kind of amusing that it's a faux pas to use two or more accounts because "it still takes positions away from me as far as my best positions go" yet it's perfectly acceptable to share full tuning spec sheets with not just members of GTP, but anyone wandering around the internet. "Put yourself in the little guys shoes"; well I know it's my choice to not steal your work, but how do you think us folk just a little farther down the board under our own power and ability feel about people getting top times without doing their own work?
So yea, when you use direct quotes of mine, it shows that you are indeed taking a shot at me, or otherwise taking exception to my believes, no matter how you try to preface it.
So, to sum it up, feel free to use the tunes posted here to try and better your position on the board, I highly doubt anyone is going to have a problem with that. However, use multiple accounts to take up multiple spots on the board, then yea, you are going to get some flack for that.
I'm sorry you took my quoting you as any kind of attack. I thought anyone on here, but especially you, who takes time to read what's there without reading into what may be there or not, would understand I was just using the way you said those things to properly position my question. If you saw the (ahem) discussion between Johnny and me earlier this week, you'd know that some don't consider this merely as a friendly competition.
As a periodic supplement from PD, I always thought of TTs as a usually fun way to have a new event, try cars you normally ignore, get a trinket or two, and take a peek at how you stack up against your fellow gamers. The mix between supplied cars, tuning allowed, and aids selection keeps everyone a bit on their toes as it's not always going to be something you're most comfortable doing. Does this sound about right?
If this were only tuners swapping ideas and racing each other for the top 30 or even 50 spots, I'd not even question the practice of swapping tunes. I'm not going to be "up there" and I know it. But how many folks are bragging about a top 200 time that they never could have gotten on their own? Top 2000? I got my gold and paint and cash and whatever, and that's really all I care about and all I enter the things for (I prefer to have a race, as opposed to TT, because I get bored doing laps with nothing to pass. And no, my ghost has just never motivated me beyond maybe 5 or 10 laps). But can you not understand that if I cared just a wee bit more, I could be all over this site raising holy hell about this practice? It kinda makes a mockery of the whole "leaderboard" idea.
The discussion earlier this week with DolHaus about LSD settings was interesting, insightful, illuminating, and it remains to be seen how helpful it is, as it's theoretical benefit will be limited. That was a "helpful discussion" about a tuning tip. Full blown tuning spec sheets are giving away the keys to the top 1000 and skews the numbers a bit, if you wish to do it on your own.
I wasn't comparing the Crank thing with this. I told you, I get exactly what was happening there. It was the juxtaposition of you setting some "limit" on gentlemanly behaviour on a thread where you freely invite others to achieve something they only about one-third "earn". That was it. I felt you deserved a response, so here it is. I will not return to it.
Nice job mate, Keep it up đź‘ŤWell, i got into the 200s. Not by much though. That last corner is an all or nothing corner, very difficult to take perfectly. If i taken as well as did with my previous best time i would probably be in the low 200s. But anyway, i'm well chuffed with that time
My best first sector now is a 14.900 which was a .757 split time after ending of second sector, messed up final two turns though in last sector. Using @doodlemonoply adaptation of @GTP_CargoRatt setup I'm a bit more optimistic now to do a decent time, seems to suit me quite well so far. I noticed your last sector was very good compared to first two sectors on that lap and well done on managing to beat that time since you posted this with better first sector. I've got unfinished business with this track from GT5, I'm determined this time to do a good lap all the way through, last sector has always been my nemesis.Ive not been concentrating as much on the last 2 sectors but i know in the 1st sector i've had a couple of 14:90Xs. I can beat my PB in the first 2 sectors fairly easy but i must of taken that last sector absolutely perfect because i just can't seem to beat it no more. Came close today though with a 347.
Great to see the British flag in the top 10 aswell mate đź‘Ť
Edit: Is there any way of looking at the sector times separately?
Might need to be 18 to participate so hopefully your birthday is soon, best of luck by the way. CRANK_U1 is using his Hong Kong account, he is fastest brit at the moment.hi i'm a 17 year old kid hoping to do well in academy. im not much of a tuner, but give me a car and i'll try get the best out of it. just achieved world rank 43 and 2nd in UK on this seasonal. big thanks to doodlemonopoly and GTP_cargo ratt for the tunes. i've never really competed in seasonals but i hope to try get a good result. good luck all
Thanks mate. I've been comparing mine and doodles time on the data logger and i'm losing a good 10th to him coming out of the corner after the fast left right so i need to work on that a bit. Plus i'll have you to think about now so i'm going to try to push even harder lol.
Haha i've raced with you before in the dirty GT5 lobbieshi i'm a 17 year old kid hoping to do well in academy. im not much of a tuner, but give me a car and i'll try get the best out of it. just achieved world rank 43 and 2nd in UK on this seasonal. big thanks to doodlemonopoly and GTP_cargo ratt for the tunes. i've never really competed in seasonals but i hope to try get a good result. good luck all
Good to see you again mate.
hi i'm a 17 year old kid hoping to do well in academy. im not much of a tuner, but give me a car and i'll try get the best out of it. just achieved world rank 43 and 2nd in UK on this seasonal. big thanks to doodlemonopoly and GTP_cargo ratt for the tunes. i've never really competed in seasonals but i hope to try get a good result. good luck all
I think that was what I was struggling with when using your setup too, but since using doodlemonoply's version, it seemed very easy to make a bit of time on there and also last sector was much easier to do. I followed your ghost a few laps to see where you might be losing time, think left hander after start of first sector you lose time maybe due to setup and also the long right hander in last bit of sector two you seem to lose some time.
. Also approach to corner before, I found if you can get to right of track as much as possible while carrying good speed, you can potentially make a lot of time on that left hand corner in last sector. Don't know how much potential is left out for you on that part of track but that was going by seeing how much a gap I pulled out on my ghost I'm using compared to normal.Good to ask in GT Academy UK thread about it as I think there is probably at least a few people that might have knowledge / experience about that. Remains to be seen what rules are for this year so you might have some potential still to be able to compete.yes crank, i used to love dirty shuffle.
my birthday is end of september, i should be ok i hope?
nice to be racing you guys
Thanks mate. I've been comparing mine and doodles time on the data logger and i'm losing a good 10th to him coming out of the corner after the fast left right so i need to work on that a bit. Plus i'll have you to think about now so i'm going to try to push even harder lol.
Haha i've raced with you before in the dirty GT5 lobbies
I am now able to keep up with you through the first sector, losing all my time mostly with those two 90 degree left right turns and through the kink to the line. I can't believe what a difference it made in the first sector though, just wow.
Well for me i don't think staying far right for the last left hander will make you faster through that section because that means braking for the next right hander which you don't want to do (notice on my replay i just let go of accelerator when taking 2nd to last corner.) Going through that corner slower will actually make you quicker coming up to the dreaded last corner.I think that was what I was struggling with when using your setup too, but since using doodlemonoply's version, it seemed very easy to make a bit of time on there and also last sector was much easier to do. I followed your ghost a few laps to see where you might be losing time, think left hander after start of first sector you lose time maybe due to setup and also the long right hander in last bit of sector two you seem to lose some time.
Final sector I find hard to get right, there is big gains possible if you get the SRF to kick in perfectly for that magic traction and getting racing line perfect, I've only done second to last corner nearly perfect once and if it was Mario Kart, it was like I used a mushroom on exit of corner
I'll be happy to get into top 10 on this, don't think I've managed it yet in GT6. Main thing for me though is to do a good lap all the way around, hopefully that might mean there is chance of 1st position but so far there is many days left but GT Academy might be saviour of getting my highest finish in GT yet if I can put a lap together and get position above 3rd in leaderboard.
Finally I was wondering if you and doodlemonoply used different wheels and size different from stock like CargoRatt did? I forgot about that option.
