Please please please please do not put b-spec in gt5

[Swift]

Bspec mode is the best, simplest money making tool in GT4. Outside of that, it's kinda useless(except for endurance). But I made a few million in less then one out with it, so I'd be sad to see it go.

 

[Gil]

Ditto for me. As it is, I agree with Gil, Grand Prix and Uncle Harry, if there was a pit-save feature, we wouldn't need B-Spec.

B-Spec isn't at fault for us breezing through the races wherein we can B-Spec. There are some tracks where you have to baby B-Spec Bob or Bubba to get a good time and pace out of him, and other tracks wherein B-Spec seems too easy because we've overtuned the car, making it easy for Bob... something we ALSO do in A-Spec. If there were actually restrictions in race entry, we wouldn't be "Breezing through on B-Spec", we'd actually be working hard to manage Bob through the race.

B-Spec is not a crutch... tuning and upgrading is... but do you really want to get rid of that?

I use B-Spec and I find it interesting at times. I run enduros and switch between myself and Bob when I need a break, I run Bob for the 24 hour ones, because in my area, you can't be sure of having more than 8-12hours of continuous power. And how realistic is it for one driver to do 24-hours continuously without a reliever or to do an endurance over the course of two weeks? Isn't it nice to take your turn from Bob and have to make up the time he's lost when driving?

I like B-Spec, and it ought to stay.

Another thing that could make all this much mor challenging, and fun...HP limits like in GT2. Since cars can be tuned and de-tuned in the garage now, it would be a lot better than it was in GT2.
Now even though you could stomp the competition in most races in GT2 if you tuned the car to the max allowed HP. It would keep people from entering the Sunday Cup with a Formula 1 car.

 

[chinko]

im a student. does it look like i have 24 hours to throw away playing on the Ps2, and i'd have much more fun trying to get a challenge in single races than just driving the exact same course for 24 hours where nothing changes at all and it just gets tedious. if i had the patience i might do like 5 hours of the Sarthe II then let B-spec do it while i have a social life

 

[Pupik]

Well call me what you like but I like B-spec mode. For those of us who have a job, school, life, etc. It comes in handy. If I had 24 hours free, I wouldn't spend it racing in Gran Turismo, I would be out doing something more productive. It's not because I'm trying to cheat at the game, I just don't have the time, but I enjoy gaming.

Here, here.

Maybe if Polyphony didn't create 3-4-6-8-24-hour races with absolutely no ability to save the game in the middle of a race, then we wouldn't need B-spec. But since this is what PD gave us then that's what we'll use.

If I was 13 again, maybe I'd take a crack at a 24-hour race. But then again, we had one TV set in the house when I was that young...

 

[McLaren]

I say keep it though, I complete most of my races myself.
Hell, it'd be nice to have B-Spec in GTR for my races I do there.

 

[Sharky.]

Concentrate on other things, b-spec is absolutely pointless.

'There are some really long races so lets program in an autopilot so people can just leave their ps2s on all day and races will be done when they get home' Isn't that the point of B-Spec? For the real long races?

what a load of crap, its completely useless.

Make the AI better or something, don't just waste time on programming bspec.

If you don't want B-Spec, don't use B-Spec mode. It's that simple.

Personally, I would like to see B-Spec return in GT5, especially in the long race events.

If B-Spec helped GT4 sell (did it?), then there's no reason not to put it in GT5. If it didn't, then there's still no reason.

 

[BlackedoutRX7LM]

I kinda like B-Spec but i find myself using it way too much. In races with cars that i dont like driving or that i know are easy wins i often B-Spec. The problem is this makes the game a lot easier and faster to complete. I have kinda gotten away from BSpec but still outside of the 24hr endo's, i wish they could take it out and just add a pit-save feature.

 

[niky]

Another thing that could make all this much mor challenging, and fun...HP limits like in GT2. Since cars can be tuned and de-tuned in the garage now, it would be a lot better than it was in GT2.
Now even though you could stomp the competition in most races in GT2 if you tuned the car to the max allowed HP. It would keep people from entering the Sunday Cup with a Formula 1 car.

It would be nice if they could keep you from entering even JGTC-level races with F1s and LMPs... My vision of this would be an HP cap by using a restrictor. Interesting to tune for, but probably hard to implement. Maybe GT should just give us working boost controllers already.

 

[JohnBM01]

Now here's my thing. If you had to choose between B-Spec and race saves, it would be a tough choice. To me, keep B-Spec AND add race saves. Why do such a thing? Remember, B-Spec is really a driving aid. You still control the B-Spec racer, so don't think it's just let the player do all the work. You have to know when to overtake and all that good stuff. If you're lagging, you fight back by upping the pace. Up the pace too much at the wrong moment, and you slowly take yourself out of contention. So, don't give me that s:censored: about the B-Spec player just winning races by default.

All I'm saying with this post is that if you had to choose between (A) race saves and (B) B-Spec, it would be best to have (C) both of the above. It benefits inexperienced racers with B-Spec, and all racers who make pit stops to save the race. Then too, I'd want to see PD experiment with race saves. It shouldn't be like multiple saves in different races. That's dumb. I say that you compete in some race and you're not done with it, you have one save. It's pointless and even stupid to have race saves in other race series with other cars. So, B-Spec and race saves. Keep B-Spec in Gran Turismo games, renovate with it, and then experiment with race saves. Anything you can add to make GT racing fun, accessible, and less strenuous is a plus in anyone's book, much less mine.

 

[Tenacious D]

What John said.

And what Amar said. We need more intelligent gamers like them! Thinking like this is what will make the future of gaming fun, challenging and add a sense of realism. I said much the same thing that amar212 about the B-Spec driver, giving "Bob" the ability to be taught by you. I would LOVE for Polyphony to do some pioneering work in AI for the crop of drivers we'll be facing in the upcoming GTs. It should be entirely doable to program in a roster of drivers with skill levels, traits and behavior patterns, as well as the ability to improve their skills over time slightly. And having some drivers to choose from to hire into your team is an incredible idea.

Back to B-Spec: it's not just a time saver, money maker and lifesaver for endurance races. It's a great teacher to the kids who are frustrated at being given a high performance pro race car and asked to drive it like an adult. They come here for advice from "us pros," but the best teacher is to have a driver show them the basics of getting a car around a track effectively. Then when they get the hang of how it's done, then they can work on squeezing that last 10% remaining performance out of themselves that will make winning routine.

 

[stumpydino]

bspec was great, hardly ever crashed, unlike those idiots who put it on 5 all the way around and complain that its rubbish, i never tried anything too risky and considered the situation and track for an appropriate level and "he" got around the races just fine

 

[futuredrifter]

bspec was great, hardly ever crashed, unlike those idiots who put it on 5 all the way around and complain that its rubbish, i never tried anything too risky and considered the situation and track for an appropriate level and "he" got around the races just fine

Finally, somebody who is in the same situation as me...there has been people complaning about how stupid bob can be, but if u tell the guy to push when his tires are orange then hes bound to have problems. He may have his occaisional slip ups but its a small price to pay.

 

[Greycap]

I'd like to see B-Spec return in GT5 too. Some of use it because they can't win by themselves, so it is a great helper to them. I use it because driving 24h races by myself is pure hell.

If we could teach Bob the correct driving lines and braking points on each track, ie. drive and "record" a lap for him, that would be interesting to see as it would be "ourselves playing".

Sorry, that was a too complex sentence for me and there is probably something wrong with it.

 

[futuredrifter]

I'd like to see B-Spec return in GT5 too. Some of use it because they can't win by themselves, so it is a great helper to them. I use it because driving 24h races by myself is pure hell.

If we could teach Bob the correct driving lines and braking points on each track, ie. drive and "record" a lap for him, that would be interesting to see as it would be "ourselves playing".

Sorry, that was a too complex sentence for me and there is probably something wrong with it.

There is a system like that in Forza, where u have to actually train your driver. It may sound great, but he still suks, and if he does win, u end up paying him 85% of the prize money.

 

[Greycap]

Right, then we'll continue with what we have now...

 

[Solid Lifters]

I like it, despite thinking I wouldn't before getting GT4. PD should put it in GT5. Don't like it? Don't use it!

 

[crimson_menace]

Bspec is a waste of space except in the 24 hour enduros. That is the only place for bspec.

 

[JohnBM01]

Post #40 by "Tenacious D," that is why I say that the B-Spec racer should be treated as a teammate and not a "money making wh*re." I keep stressing that you can't leave the B-Spec racer on its own. You just cannot. You still control his/her pace, when to overtake, when to catch up, and when to pit. If you don't coach your AI counterpart right, then OF COURSE the B-Spec racer is going to be a piece of crap. Lord knows I wouldn't do most Nurburgring Nordschleife races. And especially in races I don't think I stand a chance at, the B-Spec racer is my best alternative. It would be my only saving grace for races I know I can't win even if I went all-out. And just because you're a great racer doesn't mean that everyone below your level is pathetic. It just means that everyone else has their own strengths and weaknesses aside from your strengths and weaknesses.

My call? Keep B-Spec. Give everyone a chance to win races in one way or another. If you aren't a good racer, you want every possible advantage you can get. If it means pulling a few strings, then so be it. Would you rather be able to successfully be able to clear a GT game rather than keep doing the same race over and over again until you can't take it anymore? Come on now. It makes you no less of a person to want to use B-Spec unless you're highly confident in your racing. Hell, look at me. I lost in my first race. I think I placed second or fourth, but it was a sign that this GT wasn't going to be "easy." And if my A-Spec isn't good, maybe my B-Spec teammate can win for me. I'll just control the B-Spec racer to glory.

Again, consider everyone. If you don't, you're inconsiderate. Waste of time? Try saying that if you still cannot win a certain race and keep losing. Who do you turn to now? Think about it.

 

[SavageEvil]

I'm sorry guys but B-Spec is a must, admittedly I use him for the very long races and for intermitten races that I really do not wish to race. He's a great welcome to the GT series and should stay, if you do not like using B-spec, you DON'T HAVE TO!! that the beauty of having your own will. What space is B-Spec taking up? Sometime it's amazing the things that come out of the mouthes of some people. Now everyone likes having, OPTIONS, ability to choose what you want to fit your style. If you want to use b spec to just amass lots of cash, your prerogative, everyone plays the game how they like. I personally want B-Spec to be like a team mate in longer races and help him learn like I do, Forza's Drivatar was pretty ok, you should give you B spec driver pointers on how to take corners and such, but also allow him to learn on his own like he does in GT4. I'd go as far to say allow you B-Spec driver to be in races with you, team drivers, allowing for racing tactics, come on now, can't you see the possibilities, something like this is implemented in Nascar 2006. Why not Gt, they both have cars and on PS3 GT will have realistic car counts on courses, might as well add the extra option to broaden the games scope.

 

[Tenacious D]

Again, what they said. And thanks for the thumbs up, John. It's always encouraging to know I have half a mind.

To those who say that the B-Spec is a money generator and guarantees wins, I want to see this in action. My "Bob" has come quite far, but he's still not that good! I blow him away. And if someone uses him to win here and there, so what?? Does it affect how well you do? Are you jealous if some kid somewhere in the world has a win thanks to Bob? Heck, some even gripe that certain race views are in the game!

I don't know, some people are just strange.