Pokémon Games Discussion Thread (Gotta Discuss 'Em All!)

[Storm_SP17]

To be fair, no. Priority Roost was broken as all heck on Talonflame. So was Priority Brave Bird. I think the nerf is fine as it is.

See now I can agree about priority BB, but Priority Roost on a Pokémon 4x to Rock, Stealth Rock, and potential for Accelrock to become part of many more movepools in future... priority Status Moves only would have been enough of a nerf in my eyes. Then allow it to access Feather Dance!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

To be fair, no. Priority Roost was broken as all heck on Talonflame. So was Priority Brave Bird. I think the nerf is fine as it is.

It was a bit, but it could be defeated and was in VGC. So the nerf wasn't needed to be that harsh, and the only reason I feel it was done that way is due to whatever new pokemon were slated to have the ability, that would have made them worse offenders than talonflame.

 

[Obelisk]

It was a bit, but it could be defeated and was in VGC. So the nerf wasn't needed to be that harsh, and the only reason I feel it was done that way is due to whatever new pokemon were slated to have the ability, that would have made them worse offenders than talonflame.

But think of how devasating it was in singles. Unless you had a faster pokemon with Priority or +2 priority moves (Extremespeed) you couldn't get a hit in.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

But think of how devasating it was in singles. Unless you had a faster pokemon with Priority or +2 priority moves (Extremespeed) you couldn't get a hit in.

Considering the number of Rayquaza running that set up, or having a bulky entry for set up...it really isn't that bad. i didn't have much issue with it, and I opted for other things rather because of the popularity of other pokemon being seen.

 

[Storm_SP17]

But think of how devasating it was in singles. Unless you had a faster pokemon with Priority or +2 priority moves (Extremespeed) you couldn't get a hit in.

Flyinium Z and Acrobatics is still going to make that a thing in Singles and VGC. Essentially a Flying Gem, only twice as versatile with a bit more power.

 

[Blitz24]

Just read that Burn Up removes the fire type from a Pokemon using it. Considering that 5 of those who can use it (Cyndaquil and Growlithe line) then will have zero types, would that make them the first no weakness group since fairy debuted?

 

[Obelisk]

Just read that Burn Up removes the fire type from a Pokemon using it. Considering that 5 of those who can use it (Cyndaquil and Growlithe line) then will have zero types, would that make them the first no weakness group since fairy debuted?

Is that only for one turn?

 

[Storm_SP17]

Just read that Burn Up removes the fire type from a Pokemon using it. Considering that 5 of those who can use it (Cyndaquil and Growlithe line) then will have zero types, would that make them the first no weakness group since fairy debuted?

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYH!!! CYNDAQUIL GETS THIS!?

 

[Blitz24]

Is that only for one turn?

Nope. It's until user switches out. Loss of STAB but no damage enhancements.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYH!!! CYNDAQUIL GETS THIS!?

Yep, Additionally Moltres also learns it but only at level 99. (Cyndaquil line learns it at 58/68/74 respectively).

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYH!!! CYNDAQUIL GETS THIS!?

It's sad the lengths they have to go to make their only straight fire type starter viable.

 

[Tired Tyres]

It's sad the lengths they have to go to make their only straight fire type starter viable.

All they have ever had to do was make Fire x2 against Rock and Rock x .5 against Fire. That and do the obvious with Fire/Dark and it's done. They could have done that last gen but they didn't.

 

[Storm_SP17]

It's sad the lengths they have to go to make their only straight fire type starter viable.

They could have given it a bloomin' Mega.

But yes, it is sad. Still, Burn Up looks like it'll give Typhlosion a powerful attack to use at any stage of a fight.

Wallbreaks almost as hard as Eruption on the initial kick, just barely weaker than F-Thrower and Heat Wave despite eliminating STAB, and better accuracy than Fire Blast despite the noticeable power difference taking in the necessary factors.

It does lose resistances, but what it loses weaknesses to outweighs that, and can use Scarf and max speed to get hit in on a Pokémon that relies on weakness to OHKO it.

 

[Blitz24]

All they have ever had to do was make Fire x2 against Rock and Rock x .5 against Fire. That and do the obvious with Fire/Dark and it's done. They could have done that last gen but they didn't.

They could I guess have updated the typing? Except they'd need to do it with all 3 Pokemon. Chikorita line could be Grass/Fairy, Cyndaquil could be Fire/Ground, Totodile could be Water/Dark. It doesn't fit 100% though.

 

[Storm_SP17]

They could I guess have updated the typing? Except they'd need to do it with all 3 Pokemon. Chikorita line could be Grass/Fairy, Cyndaquil could be Fire/Ground, Totodile could be Water/Dark. It doesn't fit 100% though.

Now see I would have liked an extra mechanic in the games where you could alter the weakness/resistances of your Pokémon.... A bit of a throwback to the anime and how certain Pokémon that should get smoked by weakness seemingly shrug off SE moves due to intense training.

Of course, like an EV system but for type effectiveness.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

All they have ever had to do was make Fire x2 against Rock and Rock x .5 against Fire. That and do the obvious with Fire/Dark and it's done. They could have done that last gen but they didn't.

They could have done a lot with last gen, but it seemed only the odd type gen starters got the royal treatment. I feel that fourth and second gen need help. But especially second gen when it comes to Meganium and Typhlosion because Feraligtr had a decent move pool especially for dark. Furthermore, Feraligator should have been a dark type to me long ago, or even both.

They could I guess have updated the typing? Except they'd need to do it with all 3 Pokemon. Chikorita line could be Grass/Fairy, Cyndaquil could be Fire/Ground, Totodile could be Water/Dark. It doesn't fit 100% though.

I feel it wouldn't be an issue to make Cyndaquil fire and dark considering what it's based on.

 

[Storm_SP17]

So... just to go back to Sun & Moon for a sec...

I'm 4 hours in, and only just about ready to hit the Trainer School. Partly due to Pokémon Refresh and the Plaza, but partly coz I've been holding my Rowlet aside from some EV training as I go.

Main group at the moment is Rowlet (Bodd) , Pikipek (Touki) , Butterfree (Yfret) and Pichu (Flux) ... I just caught a Grubbin that I will breed with my other Caterpie once I get an Everstone, but I don't know when I'll ind one and how long until the daycare.

 

[Blitz24]

So... just to go back to Sun & Moon for a sec...

I'm 4 hours in, and only just about ready to hit the Trainer School. Partly due to Pokémon Refresh and the Plaza, but partly coz I've been holding my Rowlet aside from some EV training as I go.

Main group at the moment is Rowlet (Bodd) , Pikipek (Touki) , Butterfree (Yfret) and Pichu (Flux) ... I just caught a Grubbin that I will breed with my other Caterpie once I get an Everstone, but I don't know when I'll ind one and how long until the daycare.

I'd replace Butterfree with Grubbin. Vikavolt is very good. Only issue is that you can't evolve it til late in the game.

 

[Storm_SP17]

I'd replace Butterfree with Grubbin. Vikavolt is very good. Only issue is that you can't evolve it til late in the game.

I have every intention of using a Vikavolt later, but I definitely like having Butterfree for now, as Yfret's Compoundeyes and Powder moves are going to come in very handy!

I have my gameplan set for Grubbin and Rowlet, but the rest of my team I haven't quite figured out yet.

 

[Obelisk]

I'd replace Butterfree with Grubbin. Vikavolt is very good. Only issue is that you can't evolve it til late in the game.

Level 50 to be exact. But by then, Vikavolt's Sp. Atk is through the roof.

 

[Blitz24]

Level 50 to be exact. But by then, Vikavolt's Sp. Atk is through the roof.

Could be worse. Right now I'm Bounsweet hunting for either an adamant or a jolly one. Plus side is they are ridiculously common. Minus side is it has to be one of those two natures. Huge bonus that each Pokemon can be reviewed after you catch it and you don't need to swap out your team/run back to the PC.

 

[Obelisk]

Could be worse. Right now I'm Bounsweet hunting for either an adamant or a jolly one. Plus side is they are ridiculously common. Minus side is it has to be one of those two natures. Huge bonus that each Pokemon can be reviewed after you catch it and you don't need to swap out your team/run back to the PC.

On Poni Island, there's a woman who'll trade you a Steenee for something. I forget the requirement, but the woman talks about the Steenee's Sp. Def.

 

[Blitz24]

On Poni Island, there's a woman who'll trade you a Steenee for something. I forget the requirement, but the woman talks about the Steenee's Sp. Def.

52 40 48 40 48 62
HP A D SA SD SP

It's not bad. The weakest is Special Attack so you want something -SA. That would be Jolly +Speed, or Adamant +Attack.

 

[Storm_SP17]

Level 50 to be exact. But by then, Vikavolt's Sp. Atk is through the roof.

358 SpA just with a boosting nature alone is pretty scary when you consider most 130 attacking stats will invest EVs to accomplish that and usually run with a speed boosting nature instead.

 

[Com Fox]

Just read that Burn Up removes the fire type from a Pokemon using it. Considering that 5 of those who can use it (Cyndaquil and Growlithe line) then will have zero types, would that make them the first no weakness group since fairy debuted?

I think if it isn't a Dual type, the Fire types will become Normal, like what Roost does if a Pokemon is pure Flying (which really can be only done by another move) because the ??? type or typeless don't exist anymore since Gen V.

As for the Talonflame nerf, while it was really broken in doubles, in singles it was pretty much you needed Stealth Rocks or lose, I'm so happy with the nerf as a single battler

As for the re-typing of Cyndaquil, I don't agree with it at all, re-typings should only be done when there is a new type of Pokemon (so I yes, I don't like what they did with Rotom). Honestly, I think the real missed oppurtunity was making Maganium a Grass/Fairy. Besides Thyplosion is the only pure Fire last evo starter.

Granted in doubles I can Burn Up user being partner up with Protean Kecleon to do some massive damage D:

EDIT: I'm wrong they are typless.

I wish Arcanine didn't have to be breed to lurn Burn Up because I already have an Arcanine all well, I'll miss out on the oppurtunity and just have regular Flamethrower.

Flyinium Z and Acrobatics is still going to make that a thing in Singles and VGC. Essentially a Flying Gem, only twice as versatile with a bit more power.

I don't think Z-Crystals get eaten up like Gems. Since Z-Crystals stay while Gems are removed after use.

 

[Obelisk]

I think if it isn't a Dual type, the Fire types will become Normal, like what Roost does if a Pokemon is pure Flying (which really can be only done by another move) because the ??? type or typeless don't exist anymore since Gen V.

As for the Talonflame nerf, while it was really broken in doubles, in singles it was pretty much you needed Stealth Rocks or lose, I'm so happy with the nerf as a single battler

As for the re-typing of Cyndaquil, I don't agree with it at all, re-typings should only be done when there is a new type of Pokemon (so I yes, I don't like what they did with Rotom). Honestly, I think the real missed oppurtunity was making Maganium a Grass/Fairy. Besides Thyplosion is the only pure Fire last evo starter.

Granted in doubles I can Burn Up user being partner up with Protean Kecleon to do some massive damage D:

EDIT: I'm wrong they are typless.

I wish Arcanine didn't have to be breed to lurn Burn Up because I already have an Arcanine all well, I'll miss out on the oppurtunity and just have regular Flamethrower.



I don't think Z-Crystals get eaten up like Gems. Since Z-Crystals stay while Gems are removed after use.

On the Z-Crystal, you're correct. You don't burn the crystal, you just use your only Z Move of the match. Which makes Acrobatics moot.

 

[Brend]

Took a while but I got my female Salandit.

Can't wait to get a sassy dragon evo.

 

[Com Fox]

Also, I think we're forgetting that my favourite Pokemon (Eelektross) has no weakness thanks to Levitate .

Wished it wasn't slow though .

 

[Obelisk]

Also, I think we're forgetting that my favourite Pokemon (Eelektross) has no weakness thanks to Levitate .

Wished it wasn't slow though .

Gastro Acid and Mold Breaker want to have a word with you.

 

[Com Fox]

Gastro Acid and Mold Breaker want to have a word with you.

That's by negating Eelektross's Ability. Not really a move type that Eelektross can be afraid of.

If we take these altercations into account then there is no Pokemon that ever has no weakness. Since type altering is a thing ever since Gen V

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Also, I think we're forgetting that my favourite Pokemon (Eelektross) has no weakness thanks to Levitate .

Wished it wasn't slow though .

Yeah too bad it's still a crap mon compared to it's class and HA Excadrill curb stomps it. But as long as you like it.