Political Correctness

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....Yeah, I don't think Mr. Offended have seen the episode in question. Hell, I'd be very surprised if he saw any episodes of Walking Dead in his life.

Oh, wait - maybe Negan offed his fav character and now he's getting back at the producers. Hmm. Hit it where it hurts the most - in the wallet. Makes sense. Probably.
 
Dolph Drago
What annoys me is the fact that Primark caved to the offended moron and actually pulled the shirt.
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I try not to apply human traits to corporations, so I'm not surprised if they do what they think is best and follow the money. I'm guessing they know their customer base well enough and judged that removing the item would cause the least amount of damage. Of course they might be wrong on that front, only time will tell.
 
Johnnypenso
I try not to apply human traits to corporations, so I'm not surprised if they do what they think is best and follow the money. I'm guessing they know their customer base well enough and judged that removing the item would cause the least amount of damage. Of course they might be wrong on that front, only time will tell.
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Primark (or Pri-mani as it's often known) has a very particular customer base, I'd say.

I think that we're seeing a difference between how physical and online stores react. Protests against online stores get lost in the ether, protests at physical locations make news and upset customers. That's the only reason I can think of for Primani buckling* so quickly.

*Although their version probably has velcro instead
 
...I'm surprised "they" didn't see fit to discourage the usage of the words "woman" and "women." I mean, both words contain "man" and "men" in them!!

Gimme a break. {rolls eyes}

It'd be hilarious to see the half-drunk college jocks trying to replace every word featuring some form of "man" in them, though. :lol:

I'm also intrigued to find out why this university decided to take such a step. Was there an incident of some kind where a person was deeply offended by the words "gentleman's agreement"? Or are they taking a preemptive measure to ensure they don't get sued by a misguided SJW in the not-too-distant future?
 
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JKgo
...I'm surprised "they" didn't see fit to ban the words "woman" and "women." I mean, both words contain "man" and "men" in them!!
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In true 1st-wave feminist dialect the word is "wimmin". True story.

I can see that some archaic terms could easily be left by the wayside (Gentleman's Agreement, for example). Simply dropping the word "man" is erroneous though - the noun goes back to one of the cores of modern English and doesn't have to be gender specific.

Here's a story about forced-equality that I may have mentioned before; in the 80s a circular was distributed to Secondary School teachers advising them on how to avoid innate sexism in their teaching. The panel (composed of more men than wimmin, incidentally) suggested that when male-centric substances such as paint or sandpaper were mentioned then female-centric substances such as salad-cream or make-up should also be mentioned. Another true story :D
 
TenEightyOne
In true 1st-wave feminist dialect the word is "wimmin". True story.

I can see that some archaic terms could easily be left by the wayside (Gentleman's Agreement, for example). Simply dropping the word "man" is erroneous though - the noun goes back to one of the cores of modern English and doesn't have to be gender specific.

Here's a story about forced-equality that I may have mentioned before; in the 80s a circular was distributed to Secondary School teachers advising them on how to avoid innate sexism in their teaching. The panel (composed of more men than wimmin, incidentally) suggested that when male-centric substances such as paint or sandpaper were mentioned then female-centric substances such as salad-cream or make-up should also be mentioned. Another true story :D
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...Oh yeah, "wimmin." Yeah, no wonder why that didn't catch on. :lol:

 
"Brought a knife to a gun fight". There doesn't have to be any knives, or any guns present, to use that expression correctly. Going by the same logic, two female dolphins could make a gentleman's agreement. That's the way that well-worn expressions work. They become removed from their specific derivations, and represent what people have chosen them to represent.

The real kicker in this one though is that on one hand they argue for technical exactness where gentleman's agreement is concerned, then do a complete about-face, and reference the manner in which it was used in practise, where homosexual and heterosexual is concerned - "The policy also dictates that the phrases “homosexual” and “heterosexual” should not be used as they are “laden with the values of a previous time”."

They've pinned "gentleman's agreement" as inappropriate due to ignoring how it has diverted from the specifics of it's original limited meaning, and pinned "homosexual" and "heterosexual" as inappropriate by taking heed of how it's been used beyond a pure and technical definition.

Their madness could at least use a consistently applied principle.

* Related - I think that the plural of a computer mouse should be mouses.
 
But "manually operated user selection equipment" is both plural and singular. If anything the plural should be "mouse" if we're not going for Mr. Jinks's "meeces". :dopey:
 
So Canadia has a version of the Onion called, appropriately, the Beaverton. I was reading it yesterday, enjoying such stories as, "Millions of Healthy Gut Bacteria Vote to Unionize" and "Newfoundland Blown Off Course, Last Seen Drifting Towards the Canary Islands" . As you can see, the Beaverton is quite tongue in cheek. So I see this other story, "Carleton University Gym Replaces Weight Scales with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs Scale". I read it, have a few laughs but during my uber busy Monday I vaguely recall hearing something on the radio about Carleton and the weigh scales so a quick Google search reveals that the story about removing the scales from the Carleton Athletic Complex is true and not just wacky, Canadian satire! One of many stories on the subject.

Just for fun, see if you can figure out which statement(s) below is from the Beaverton and which is/are from that actual news story:

Canada’s Carleton University removed the weight scale from its campus gym after several students complained about being “triggered” by it. A sign has been put up in place of the scale, explaining that the decision to remove it is “in keeping with current fitness and social trends.”
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“Gym-goers need to measure the things that are more valuable than weight,” explained a representative from Carleton Athletics. “Esteem, safety, love, and belonging are so much more important to scale. Some of us may want to lose pounds or run an extra mile, but that’s nothing compared to seeing how close you are to self-actualization.”
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“Scales are very triggering,” she said. “I think people are being insensitive because they simply don’t understand. They think eating disorders are a choice when they are actually a serious illness.”
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Seems like a win-win to me. Those who don't want the scales there get what they want, those opposed expend enough energy through their counter-outrage they no longer need to be concerned about tracking their weight, so no scales necessary. Everyone's happy? :D


Curious that the article opens with this:

Canada’s Carleton University removed the weight scale from its campus gym after several students complained about being “triggered” by it
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But then doesn't actually go on to provide anything that supports the bolded bit.........and the source article it references doesn't mention it at all..........odd that. Funny too how that little addition seems to change the implied narrative from "manager decides to do X because he thinks it's a good idea, others disagree", to "lefty snowflakes force manager to do X in PC gone mad! latest"...........just a coincidence I'm sure.
 
TRGTspecialist
Said one student, after the removal. Which in 2 or 3 ways contradicts the line I quoted - so it can't be evidence that supports it.
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Ok so past tense :P.

Anyway, I think people just find it unnecessary, you don't have to use the scales, you can just ignore and if it actually isn't triggering anybody to make someone do this decision than there is literally no point. It sucks for people who actually want to get fit at the school, I mean it's at the gym for crying out loud, your supposed to getting excercise anyway.
 
TRGTspecialist
Seems like a win-win to me. Those who don't want the scales there get what they want, those opposed expend enough energy through their counter-outrage they no longer need to be concerned about tracking their weight, so no scales necessary. Everyone's happy? :D
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I realise that there's a decent chunk of facetiousness in your statement, but I'm guessing that it's also genuinely dismissive of the opposing view.

Scales are a useful tool, and can be used both wisely and unwisely. It's quite a sad state of affairs if we think that anywhere near a justifiable number of young adults undertaking higher education cannot cope with the responsibility of using this tool wisely, or choosing not to use it at all.

I also find it interesting that numerous reports on this move state that "conservatives" are perturbed by the removal of the scales. The removal of the scales is disempowering. Supporting the move is the conservative/regressive side of the argument.
 
RESHIRAM5
Ok so past tense :P.

Anyway, I think people just find it unnecessary, you don't have to use the scales, you can just ignore and if it actually isn't triggering anybody to make someone do this decision than there is literally no point. It sucks for people who actually want to get fit at the school, I mean it's at the gym for crying out loud, your supposed to getting excercise anyway.
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Apparently they must be triggered simply by looking at the scales. One wonders what will happen if some of the SJW's get triggered simply by walking past the gym on their way onto campus. "Ermagod, I'm so fat and now I'm triggered and need counselling because I have to walk by the gym and see all the fit people exercising. Moan...moan..."
 
TenEightyOne
I have a proper answer for that outside your sarcasm... the etymology is from the noun for hand :)
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I completely agree, but it's odd when there is a perceived negative intonation against men instead of a pro-non male deficit such as chairperson, it gets ignored. Ahhhh, I'm wittering....
 
TRGTspecialist
Seems like a win-win to me. Those who don't want the scales there get what they want, those opposed expend enough energy through their counter-outrage they no longer need to be concerned about tracking their weight, so no scales necessary. Everyone's happy? :D


Curious that the article opens with this:



But then doesn't actually go on to provide anything that supports the bolded bit.........and the source article it references doesn't mention it at all..........odd that. Funny too how that little addition seems to change the implied narrative from "manager decides to do X because he thinks it's a good idea, others disagree", to "lefty snowflakes force manager to do X in PC gone mad! latest"...........just a coincidence I'm sure.
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If the person responsible for the decision made it unilaterally, does that make it less politically correct? Do you think it's a good decision to remove the weigh scales from a university gym? A place where people go to train and measure their progress, not just in losing weight but in maintaining and gaining in some case? A place where, perhaps outside of a doctor's office, might be the most natural place to find a weigh scale?
 
Is a unilateral decision political correctness or not? From what I can determine it depends upon whether PC is achieved by consensus or by wrong-headed people deciding things for other people by themselves. Going against all common-sense.

Of course somebody also has to decide what is "wrong-headed" or "common-sense" which may require a bit of unilateralism in itself.
 

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