Political Correctness

[JKgo]

...Hmm. Feels like a non-story to me, but hey, I'm an insensitive shmuck, so what do I know. Besides, the painting in question looks like a blend of colors a toddler might have thrown together in a sugar rush. So that's what passed around as art nowadays, eh. This statement was intended as a joke, BTW.

I sort of get where this Black person is coming from - but calling for its destruction? Saying the artist painted the piece for profit and fun? Huh.

Only 30 people signed the letter, eh? Hmm. Maybe it is a proverbial storm in a teacup.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Do you have to sort of peek around that protester or would he hold his arms up?

Made me think of this... and in a similar vein this protest is likely to have boosted the exhibition's popularity no end.

 

[polysmut]

Saying the artist painted the piece for profit and fun? Huh.

I agree that it's strange to see a critique of that nature gather so much momentum. Who is to say that the work wasn't created as art for the sake of art? Which I assume it was.

 

[JKgo]

I agree that it's strange to see a critique of that nature gather so much momentum. Who is to say that the work wasn't created as art for the sake of art? Which I assume it was.

...Indeed. It's a cliche, but didn't someone once say all artists bleed for their art? Surely, the painter also metaphorically bled some...

Yeah, there's no denying that the painter hoped to make a few coin from her work - who doesn't? - and possibly have fun while doing so. But to say those were the only reasoning for the existence of the piece, without any evidence to back that claim up other than Black's gut feelings, does nothing but cheapens the arguments, the way I see it. When Black wrote that in her letter, she completely lost her battle right there, at least in my eyes.

 

[mister dog]

Major media corporations joining forces with Youtube to silence the 'wrong' political views. But it's not censorship though!:

 

[Grippy]

Major media corporations joining forces with Youtube to silence the 'wrong' political views. But it's not censorship though!:

Going by the title, I would'nt be surprised. Reddit shills have existed for years now. Any big social media site (youtube, reddit, facebook, twitter) is where businessmen want to advertise/brainwash people in buying x. Generally that's how it goes.

 

[Johnnypenso]

When you're trying to be as politically correct as possible and you still blow it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...muslim-woman_us_58e50875e4b0d0b7e166e184?x0l&

The ad failed to mention any of the issues that have troubled American Muslims over the past few months ― continuing religious-based discrimination and surveillance, President Donald Trump’s backdoor Muslim ban and his resounding silence about attacks on mosques, the bullying of Muslim kids, the rise in prominence of white supremacist groups, the fight for black lives. But it used the image of a Muslim woman in a headscarf to sell soda to the masses.
Although Pepsi has removed the ad, this kind appropriation of a Muslim woman’s image is not new and not likely to go away soon.

Nice try Pepsi. I thought everyone knew that in order to put a Muslim in your advertising in America, you had to mentioned every possible political, social and economic issue facing Muslims in America today. If you don't, you're "appropriating" her image. Back to the drawing board I guess.

 

[UKMikey]

^I'm still trying to work out what political correctness is supposed to be since twenty-nine pages in we don't seem to have a workable definition. Perhaps we should add crassly made soda ads designed to elicit maximum controversy and publicity to the list. Funny, because people from across the political spectrum seem to be criticising the campaign so it seems to be a long way from "correct" in anyone's eyes. Storm in a drinks can perhaps?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

When you're trying to be as politically correct as possible and you still blow it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...muslim-woman_us_58e50875e4b0d0b7e166e184?x0l&

Nice try Pepsi. I thought everyone knew that in order to put a Muslim in your advertising in America, you had to mentioned every possible political, social and economic issue facing Muslims in America today. If you don't, you're "appropriating" her image. Back to the drawing board I guess.

You obviously haven't seen the ad in question. It takes the notion of political and social activism and dumbs it down by positioning a white celebrity as being the only person with any individual agency to cross socio-economic and political boundaries and resolving a complex issue with a gesture as shallow as offering a can of Pepsi. White people are consistently positioned at the forefront of the conflict, the only ones with a voice while minorities are under-represented. The only significant minority is the Muslim woman who is positioned behind a camera - thereby making her a witness to events rather than being able to facilitate change herself - whose face is a picture of undiluted adoration, awe and wonder as she records what is made out to be a pivotal moment in history from afar.

You can't blame people for being upset with what Pepsi has done here. Race is a topical, polarising issue in the United States, and yet here they have a white person being the only person capable of solving problems and reducing such a contentious issue to something so trivial as offering a can of Pepsi to a police officer. It's flippant and disrespectful at best.

 

[mister dog]

You obviously haven't seen the ad in question. It takes the notion of political and social activism and dumbs it down by positioning a white celebrity as being the only person with any individual agency to cross socio-economic and political boundaries and resolving a complex issue with a gesture as shallow as offering a can of Pepsi. White people are consistently positioned at the forefront of the conflict, the only ones with a voice while minorities are under-represented. The only significant minority is the Muslim woman who is positioned behind a camera - thereby making her a witness to events rather than being able to facilitate change herself - whose face is a picture of undiluted adoration, awe and wonder as she records what is made out to be a pivotal moment in history from afar.

You can't blame people for being upset with what Pepsi has done here. Race is a topical, polarising issue in the United States, and yet here they have a white person being the only person capable of solving problems and reducing such a contentious issue to something so trivial as offering a can of Pepsi to a police officer. It's flippant and disrespectful at best.

I think you just proved Johhnypenso's point there.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I think you just proved Johhnypenso's point there.

And I'm sure he'll interpret it that way. Which just goes to show that he doesn't get it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think you just proved Johhnypenso's point there.

👍👍

 

[Imari]

Which just goes to show that he doesn't get it.

Of course, dear. He's the one that doesn't get it. You're so right, dear.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

^I'm still trying to work out what political correctness is supposed to be since twenty-nine pages in we don't seem to have a workable definition. Perhaps we should add crassly made soda ads designed to elicit maximum controversy and publicity to the list. Funny, because people from across the political spectrum seem to be criticising the campaign so it seems to be a long way from "correct" in anyone's eyes. Storm in a drinks can perhaps?

Crass ad indeed but hey, at least this one arguably seems to be a decent example of disproportionate outrage.

Which is why I'm impressed that apparently there was still a need to slip a strawman in there:

I thought everyone knew that in order to put a Muslim in your advertising in America, you had to mentioned every possible political, social and economic issue facing Muslims in America today

 

[Johnnypenso]

Crass ad indeed but hey, at least this one arguably seems to be a decent example of disproportionate outrage.

Which is why I'm impressed that apparently there was still a need to slip a strawman in there:

If that's a strawman it's not mine. It's sourced from the link I provided. I literally quoted it for you to read.

 

[mustafur]

You obviously haven't seen the ad in question. It takes the notion of political and social activism and dumbs it down by positioning a white celebrity as being the only person with any individual agency to cross socio-economic and political boundaries and resolving a complex issue with a gesture as shallow as offering a can of Pepsi. White people are consistently positioned at the forefront of the conflict, the only ones with a voice while minorities are under-represented. The only significant minority is the Muslim woman who is positioned behind a camera - thereby making her a witness to events rather than being able to facilitate change herself - whose face is a picture of undiluted adoration, awe and wonder as she records what is made out to be a pivotal moment in history from afar.

You can't blame people for being upset with what Pepsi has done here. Race is a topical, polarising issue in the United States, and yet here they have a white person being the only person capable of solving problems and reducing such a contentious issue to something so trivial as offering a can of Pepsi to a police officer. It's flippant and disrespectful at best.

Having seen the ad it's clear that the idea was to cool tensions with "Pepsi" there was no reason to get offended at anything as there was significantly less to it then that endless nonsense you drooled up on why it's offensive.

Might be just me but this over offensive reaction always appears when people look into simple things with a microscope trying to find a reason to be offended, basically anything could qualify if you did that to any ad.

 

[Carbonox]

Why am I not surprised that among the "issues" listed is also the "trivializing" of Black Lies Matter?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Having seen the ad it's clear that the idea was to cool tensions with "Pepsi" there was no reason to get offended at anything as there was significantly less to it then that endless nonsense you drooled up on why it's offensive.

Oh, I'm sure they didn't set out with the intention of offending anyone. They just didn't put much thought into what they were doing. It's like that film, The Great Wall, which was criticised for relying on the "white saviour" - the Chinese were incapable of solving a problem until a white person showed up. The same thing is at work here.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Why am I not surprised that among the "issues" listed is also the "trivializing" of Black Lies Matter?

Let me ask you this: how do you think the ad would have been received if it was a Japanese soldier offering an American a can of Pepsi after Pearl Harbour? Or if it was a guard at Auschwitz offering Pepsi to a Jewish prisoner after the fall of the Nazis? Sure, the "Pepsi overcomes all disagreements" theme is there, but that doesn't make it an acceptable campaign. So why is it suddenly okay to hijack socio-political movements?

Looking over the responses, I'm not surprised at the people who think it's absurd for others to be upset over it. They'll never be able to comprehend discrimination because they've never been the victim of it.

 

[Com Fox]

Let me ask you this: how do you think the ad would have been received if it was a Japanese soldier offering an American a can of Pepsi after Pearl Harbour? Or if it was a guard at Auschwitz offering Pepsi to a Jewish prisoner after the fall of the Nazis? Sure, the "Pepsi overcomes all disagreements" theme is there, but that doesn't make it an acceptable campaign. So why is it suddenly okay to hijack socio-political movements?

Looking over the responses, I'm not surprised at the people who think it's absurd for others to be upset over it. They'll never be able to comprehend discrimination because they've never been the victim of it.

Yeah because comparing Auschwitz and Pearl Harbour to today's race issue is totally an even comparison

I said this before in Australian thread, denying a persons opinion on a topic because of what they are IS DISCRIMINATION, it's massively hypocritical to discriminate their opinions and views because "they never faced discrimination", they're facing it right now.

 

[Carbonox]

Let me ask you this: how do you think the ad would have been received if it was a Japanese soldier offering an American a can of Pepsi after Pearl Harbour? Or if it was a guard at Auschwitz offering Pepsi to a Jewish prisoner after the fall of the Nazis? Sure, the "Pepsi overcomes all disagreements" theme is there, but that doesn't make it an acceptable campaign. So why is it suddenly okay to hijack socio-political movements?

Looking over the responses, I'm not surprised at the people who think it's absurd for others to be upset over it. They'll never be able to comprehend discrimination because they've never been the victim of it.

How would you know none of us have ever encountered discrimination?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

How would you know none of us have ever encountered discrimination?

I know you've never encountered an immigrant. You admitted as much.

 

[Com Fox]

I know you've never encountered an immigrant. You admitted as much.

So immigrants are the only people that face discrimination???

 

[Johnnypenso]

Let me ask you this: how do you think the ad would have been received if it was a Japanese soldier offering an American a can of Pepsi after Pearl Harbour? Or if it was a guard at Auschwitz offering Pepsi to a Jewish prisoner after the fall of the Nazis? Sure, the "Pepsi overcomes all disagreements" theme is there, but that doesn't make it an acceptable campaign. So why is it suddenly okay to hijack socio-political movements?

Looking over the responses, I'm not surprised at the people who think it's absurd for others to be upset over it. They'll never be able to comprehend discrimination because they've never been the victim of it.

Yeah, the guy who was in a mixed race marriage way before it was commonplace or widely accepted, with a recent immigrant no less, dated outside his race/ethnicity 40 years ago, has a bi-racial child and godchildren, in-laws with different colour skin from near opposite parts of the globe, a brother that married outside his race with another recent immigrant and has a bi-racial child...knows absolutely nothing about discrimination.

 

[Northstar]

So why is this just now an issue? Coca-Cola has been running pretty much the same ad campaign since the 70's. It's a commercial, it won't harm you in any way shape or form if you just ignore it like you do with every other commercial.



I'm very worried about the world today. I have a feeling people are getting themselves so worked up over absolute nonsense that one day a good chunk of the population will die of a massive stress-induced heart attack.

Yeah, the guy who was in a mixed race marriage way before it was commonplace or widely accepted, with a recent immigrant no less, dated outside his race/ethnicity 40 years ago, has a bi-racial child and godchildren, in-laws with different colour skin from near opposite parts of the globe, a brother that married outside his race with another recent immigrant and has a bi-racial child...knows absolutely nothing about discrimination.

Yeah but you's still white, so people bow down in your presence or something like that.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Yeah, the guy who was in a mixed race marriage way before it was commonplace or widely accepted, with a recent immigrant no less, dated outside his race/ethnicity 40 years ago, has a bi-racial child and godchildren, in-laws with different colour skin from near opposite parts of the globe, a brother that married outside his race with another recent immigrant and has a bi-racial child...knows absolutely nothing about discrimination.

All of whom seem unable to comprehend the way other people experience the world differently to them, and promptly criticise anyone who speaks up because their experience differs to yours.

So no, you clearly haven't learned anything because you're still intent on inflicting your view of the world upon others.

 

[Johnnypenso]

All of whom seem unable to comprehend the way other people experience the world differently to them, and promptly criticise anyone who speaks up because their experience differs to yours.

So no, you clearly haven't learned anything because you're still intent on inflicting your view of the world upon others.

You haven't got a leg to stand on. You almost had me there too. I had typed out what I really thought of you and your opinions, in a firm but polite Canadian way of course, but it probably would have earned me a few points so I figured it wasn't worth it. Suffice to say, you are the exact type of person that I've occasionally had to deal with through 40 years of mixed race relationships and a marriage, in raising a mixed race child and having mixed race nieces, nephews and various other relatives from other races, countries and ethnic backgrounds. Thank God most of you are hiding under rocks these days.

 

[Northstar]

you're still intent on inflicting your view of the world upon others.

So it's only OK when you do it?

Or is this another of your inside jokes that only you get?

 

[Johnnypenso]

So it's only OK when you do it?

Or is this another of your inside jokes that only you get?

Maybe the Oscar campaign for Most Opinionated Member is starting early this year?

 

[Imari]

So no, you clearly haven't learned anything because you're still intent on inflicting your view of the world upon others.

...I just...I can't...you didn't...

Good joke. That's outstanding. I'm not so sure I've ever heard the pot call the kettle that black before. That takes real skill. I apologise if I've ever intimated that you didn't have skill with words, because that is just legendary.