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I didn't know that level of potkettlery could exist in this universe. I assumed that it would implode under the force of it's own self-entitlement, creating a portal to another dimension with 7 billion prisonermonkeys and one Waldo.
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So you think Pearl Harbour and the Holocaust are remotely comparable to the apparent disproportionate killing of black people by police in America? Definitely ranks high up on the list of stupidest things you've ever said, and that's a long list.
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You know exactly what I mean - the ad assumes that it can make light of what is a serious issue for many people. Applied in any other context, it would draw outrage and condemnation, but here the criticism is being directed at the people who feel put out by the ad's insensitivity. The Black Lives Matter protests might not be on the same scale as the Holocaust or Pearl Harbour, but think about the implications of what you said: because the disproportionate number of killings (and yes, they are disproportionately high, not "apparently") isn't as extensive as the Holocaust or Pearl Harbour, it's not as important. So how many unarmed African Americans have to be killed by police before it's considered serious enough that mocking it is unacceptable?
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Comedians have been doing it since the beginning of time, why shouldn't an ad campaign be able to do it?
Why should it be considered unacceptable at all?
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Care to elaborate? Or would making an actual response violate your "Be vague in the hopes they just give up so I can feel superior" policy?
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Too bad those killings just stop at saying unarmed and not show any deeper information, you don't have to be armed to be commiting crime and seen as someone dangerous, I doubt you or even I understand what is like being a Police Officer in America since you're a teacher and I'm unemployed and we're not even American. BUT if we only focused on the what and statistics, then more White and Hispanics are killed by police than blacks and it isn't even combined and what they don't tell you is if a Police Officer did shoot an innocent person, they get fired and probably even arrested themselves. It's far more complex than a white person seeing a random black person, shooting them and the celebrating, that narrative needs more dinosaurs. http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
Also there is a massive difference, Pearl Harbour was an attack on a country, everyone in that country felt it. Holocaust was an eradication of anyone who didn't fit the Nazi ideals. The race issue of today doesn't fit into any of these.
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I don't think the advert is trying to mock protesters, it's probably going for something along the lines of that people should come together and talk over a Pepsi or something like that, it's hard to tell as it's a pretty stupid advert, as most are. But if people hadn't made a vague connection to BLM movements it wouldn't even be news, and there definitely wouldn't be more outrage! It would just be put down as another stupid advert to ignore.
Now I'm shocked that I have to explain to you the difference changing the advert to a Jew making peace to a Nazi in WW2 would make (well, not really), but it's slightly more plausible that coming together and talking over a Pepsi can be a solution when the issue is potential failings in American policing that result in deaths of unarmed civilians, compared to when the issue is the systematic murder of 6 million people.
Oh, the killing of unarmed black people in America is only disproportionate in terms of their population, but if you take into account violent crime rates, it really isn't.
And because I know you'll try and argue the point, here;
According the Guardian, 42 out of 266 black people killed by police were unarmed, compared to 92 out of 574 white people. So out of the 1092 people killed by police, 53% were white, 16% of which were unarmed, and 24% were black, 16% of which were unarmed (shockingly similar percentages of unarmed people, those racist police clearly aren't doing a very good job)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...un/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
Now to crime statistics, lets use murder as it's the only one I can seem to find race data for. Out of the number of murders in 2014 where some detail of the offender is known (the only incidents included in the FBI data table), which is 5703, 47%, 2693, are committed by black people and 48%, 2756, are committed by white people.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls
So 47% of murders are committed by black people, and I've seen figures suggesting the numbers are similar for other types of violent crime, yet only 24% of people killed by police are black. So I suppose you can argue that they are disproportionately killed, but in their favour! Feel free to prove me wrong, although I imagine you will just ignore the evidence as usual.
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Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but the numbers taken from the Guardian seem to be slightly off.
42 out of 266 (unarmed black people shot), is still a larger percentage (albeit slight), than 92 out of 574 (unarmed white people shot).
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Many apologies, it appears my maths are wrong. It's the other way around. I was wrong.
42 out of 266 (unarmed black people shot), is still a larger percentage (albeit slight), than 92 out of 574 (unarmed white people shot).
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Many apologies, it appears my maths are wrong. It's the other way around. I was wrong.
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I certainly don't think it's trying to, more that it's an unintended consequence of the way it's been shot.
I think all of this is born out of the photographer. Cut her from it, and there's really nothing wrong with the ad at all. It's just a generic Pepsi ad. By positioning her as a Muslim, it's trying to show inclusivity - but they put her behind the camera. As such, she can only witness the events; she has no power to change anything. Meanwhile, the white woman does have that power; she and she alone can cross the barriers between the protesters and the authorities. That's a pretty loaded statement to be making: that only a white person can bring about change. It doesn't help that the photographer's expression is one of adoration; it's meant to be her witnessing history in the making, but it's just creepy.
As soon as Pepsi decided to have a white woman cross the line while the Muslim woman stands back and watches, they introduced the element of race into the ad. What is an extremely generic protest suddenly becomes a racially-themed one, even if that was never their intention. It's the "white saviour" problem - the depiction of minority groups who are unwilling or unable to solve their problems until a white person shows up.
This was something that The Great Wall was criticised for. It shows the imperial Chinese army using the Great Wall of China to hold back a daemonic horde - but they can only ever stand their ground until Matt Damon shows up. While he is positioned as having the expert knowledge needed to turn the tide of the battle, other Chinese characters have similar knowledge and experiences, but are powerless to do anything with it.
The same thing is at work here. Wittingly or no, Pepsi introduced the element of race into the ad. But then they had a white person bring about reconciliation while minority groups could not. And given that race is a very topical subject in the United States, it looks like Pepsi are modelling the ad on BLM.
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Race is an artificial construct with no basis in science created by people who want an excuse to persecute anyone different to themselves.
At best race is a social category consisting of people who share similar traditions and culture, in which case you question becomes meaningless.
Rasicm however is very real, as it applies to anyone who supports the idea that an artificial difference can be used to 'other' any group of people they see as different.
However congratulations for a comment right out of the BNP/EDL/Britain First lexicon.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/#
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When does a question become a comment?
You should be congratulating your friend @prisonermonkeys for introducing the concept of race as, if I'm not mistaken, @PeterJB was alluding to PM's comment above. So you're saying that PM is using it as an excuse to persecute anyone different from him? For once I agree with you.👍👍
Scaff
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So you have never come across the concept of rhetoric questions?
It's a statement posed as a question that is widespread among the far right as a justification for targeting certain groups.
Did you read the link?
That said i would agree that PM's use of the term is just as innacurate, however that neither changes the point not the loaded use of the term in PJB's post.
Scaff
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No, however if someone hates all cyclists regardless of what they are doing it why they are doing it for no logical reason then yes it could arguably apply.
Now if you are attempting to make it sound absurd, well done for proving my point. As if you think it's any less absurd when applied to any other group then you might need to go off and re-evaluate a few things.
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What planet are you on, ofcourse there are differences between ethnic people, such as body and skin differences, intelligence though im not really sure that has been extensively tested.
But given there are differences i wouldnt be surprised if you find some adapted to certain things better.
Scaff
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Not what I said at all.
Take for example the belief that Asians are genetically short (which was a claim in the past based on race), turns out it's down to diet.
However I'm quite sure you will be able to provide a suitable peer reviewed paper to support your claim. Keep mind the rather important fact that we all came from the same place and have a single common ancestor.
Yes we have differences, but they are not locked or a single determining factor in the way racial theory once claimed (unless you are about to try and support eugenics).
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So is sprinting dominated by people from the West Indies and West Africa, marathons by people from the Horn of Africa and swimming by Caucasians because of a social construct?
PM alluded that something involving a white woman and a Muslim woman was a racial issue, which I guess ties in with this odd notion that if you dare to criticise Islam you are not only islamophobic but also racist, which is interesting since last time I checked Islam is not a race, and there is nothing stopping a white person from being a Muslim.
PM alluded that something involving a white woman and a Muslim woman was a racial issue, which I guess ties in with this odd notion that if you dare to criticise Islam you are not only islamophobic but also racist, which is interesting since last time I checked Islam is not a race, and there is nothing stopping a white person from being a Muslim.
