Political Correctness

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What's everyone's thoughts on this "NPC meme" going around at the moment:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-ban.html
Don't really know myself, but I saw a video by Tim Pool where he thinks the meme is used to make fun of people in general who can't think for themselves. He also mentions the NY Times article and other articles and says he doesn't think they got it quite right.
FWIW:


Probably doesn't belong in this sub forum though.
 
Its a 4chan ****post that got a bunch of snowflakes triggered on twitter just like the meme said it would.

What should "trigger" anybody with at least half a brain is the idea that conditioned, orthodoxical echo chambers consider themselves beyond reproach when generalising anyone who disagrees with them as being part of conditioned, orthodoxical echo chambers. There are asshats in every part of the political spectrum, and these are some of them.
 
Its a 4chan ****post that got a bunch of snowflakes triggered on twitter just like the meme said it would.
Some day I have to make my way over there and see what it's all about. I feel sheltered just sticking to the news, Youtubez and GTPlanet:lol:
 
What should "trigger" anybody with at least half a brain is the idea that conditioned, orthodoxical echo chambers consider themselves beyond reproach when generalising anyone who disagrees with them as being part of conditioned, orthodoxical echo chambers. There are asshats in every part of the political spectrum, and these are some of them.
No the triggered part is this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/blogs-trending-45888176

It's 2018 someone is going to be offended about something but this is next level, it would of required alot of complaints to be able to do that.

Jokes are offensive in the current year.
 
Steeped in narrative and lacking substance. Oh and as is the case with all memes...already old.

Edit: Also, it seems to me there's a more appropriate venue within these forums for discussing political cartoons, memes and images.
Duly noted, didn't know that thread was for memes too.

It is interesting though in that political correctness could be seen as leading to the creation of "NPCs", or at least that is its aim

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Another subject I was wondering about....

Should anything be done about the "harassing" of conservatives/Trump supporters in America or those that "harassed" Jacob Rees-Mogg

https://www.rt.com/usa/435252-candace-owens-harassed-antifa/
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ees-mogg-and-his-family-harassed-by-activists

Or does it come under the protection of the right to protest
 
No. To push the 'NPC' identity onto people requires the dehumanisation of a section of society on an arbitrary, generalised basis. That's not a usual hallmark of political correctness, far from it.
It's just "sheeple" updated for people who think George Soros is adulterating their chicken nuggets with soy.
 
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It's just "sheeple" updated for people who think George Soros is adulterating their chicken nuggets with soy.
"Sheeple" didn't get 1500 accounts banned from Twitter. This is sheeple on steroids.
 
I'd have more issue with this if The Simpsons shouldn't have been pulled off of TV ten years ago. As it is it's just fuel for people to go to war on tumblr then a line really worth drawing.


"hurr we've won another battle by getting something we don't like removed from something we didn't watch anyway"
"durr Trump was right sjw taking our freedoms"


It's more emblematic of how much of a shell the show is that they didn't just ignore it; but instead made a response in the show that was already essentially a shrug and then decided that they didn't care enough to bother when the people trying to be super woke complained about that.
 
No. To push the 'NPC' identity onto people requires the dehumanisation of a section of society on an arbitrary, generalised basis. That's not a usual hallmark of political correctness, far from it.
I believe NPC has a meme for that...lemme see:

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I believe NPC has a meme for that...lemme see:

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Oh, okay, not sure of the irony levels.

But isn't the goal of PC to create a generation of people who think and react the same, thereby becoming an NPC

No, because PC doesn't exist. It's a strawman defence for the "I can act how the **** I like without any consequence" brigade.
 
Here is why I disagree with the idea of political correctness -

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I also feel like some abuse political correctness in order to silence any dissenting political views.
 
Here is why I disagree with the idea of political correctness -

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I also feel like some abuse political correctness in order to silence any dissenting political views.

Far be it from me to disagree but...

Political correctness is not (or at least should not) be about passing laws against speech. I agree with the sentiment that it has started to bleed over into that, but the real reason it exists is just to avoid being rude. Modifying your speech to avoid offending people is polite, but is only possible when you're engaging with a mind that is willing to not be offended.
 
I don't even understand why this is a debate. "Political correctness" is nothing more than just language/behavior that is inclusive to all and non-offensive. Political correctness prevents marginalized and oppressed people from being left out or even insulted.

Is it really that hard to not discriminate?

Generally, white people, specifically white men, view "political correctness" as far-left, virtue-signaling, and unnecessary. This is a hypocritical viewpoint since we all use politically correct language without even realizing. Examples would be using waitress over waiter, sanitation worker over garbageman, disabled/challenged over retarded, people of color over colored people, etc.

I've come to the conclusion that certain categories of people are against "political correctness", simply because they do not support including and respecting more disadvantaged groups of people, or they feel threatened by more disadvantaged groups of people receiving the same treatment as them.
 
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I don't even understand why this is a debate. "Political correctness" is nothing more than just language/behavior that is inclusive to all and non-offensive. Political correctness prevents marginalized and oppressed people from being left out or even insulted.

Is it really that hard to not discriminate?

Generally, white people, specifically white men, view "political correctness" as far-left, virtue-signaling, and unnecessary. This is a hypocritical viewpoint since we all use politically correct language without even realizing. Examples would be using waitress over waiter, sanitation worker over garbageman, disabled/challenged over retarded, people of color over colored people, etc.

I've come to the conclusion that certain categories of people are against "political correctness", simply because they do not support including and respecting more disadvantaged groups of people, or they feel threatened by more disadvantaged groups of people receiving the same treatment as them.
Lovely to see how you've learned nothing since the last time you were lectured on your "white people this, white people that" generalizations...
 
I don't even understand why this is a debate. "Political correctness" is nothing more than just language/behavior that is inclusive to all and non-offensive. Political correctness prevents marginalized and oppressed people from being left out or even insulted.

Is it really that hard to not discriminate?

Generally, white people, specifically white men, view "political correctness" as far-left, virtue-signaling, and unnecessary. This is a hypocritical viewpoint since we all use politically correct language without even realizing. Examples would be using waitress over waiter, sanitation worker over garbageman, disabled/challenged over retarded, people of color over colored people, etc.

I've come to the conclusion that certain categories of people are against "political correctness", simply because they do not support including and respecting more disadvantaged groups of people, or they feel threatened by more disadvantaged groups of people receiving the same treatment as them.

Retarded was the PC term, it was considered more polite to call people retarded than to call them idiots - they're just a bit behind, retarded compared to others. "Colored people" was a politically correct term at one point (see the definition of CP in NAACP). African American was a PC term at one point, and is now starting to be realized as fairly nonsensical in the way it gets used.

The idea that a term like retarded might be offensive is fine, and I don't mind choosing not to use that language to avoid offending someone. But there are people who will constantly shift language and who refuse to settle on a term that can be considered inoffensive to them for even a moment, and this causes PC craziness.

I think it's important that people remember that there is no such thing as politically correct language through time, it's a fairly nonsensical cat chasing its tail. Bending your behavior a bit (in many ways) to avoid offense is a polite thing to do, but it's not exactly logical, predictable, consistent, sufficient, or I would suggest even necessary.
 
Lovely to see how you've learned nothing since the last time you were lectured on your "white people this, white people that" generalizations...
Riveting contribution. And how can you actually prove that? Seems to me that you fit my so called "white people this, white people that generalizations" being that you have such a problem with me bringing up a pretty basic point: that the language people should be as inoffensive and inclusive as possible.

I am white. Many white people I associate myself with, whether family, friends, or people I see on social media, fit the "white people this, white people that generalizations". The only people I see having qualms with "PC speech' are in fact privileged white men. Disadvantaged groups like women, POC, the LGBTQ+ community, disabled people, etc aren't the ones protesting against political correctness. Because these are the people that it benefits.

Retarded was the PC term, it was considered more polite to call people retarded than to call them idiots - they're just a bit behind, retarded compared to others. "Colored people" was a politically correct term at one point (see the definition of CP in NAACP). African American was a PC term at one point, and is now starting to be realized as fairly nonsensical in the way it gets used.

The idea that a term like retarded might be offensive is fine, and I don't mind choosing not to use that language to avoid offending someone. But there are people who will constantly shift language and who refuse to settle on a term that can be considered inoffensive to them for even a moment, and this causes PC craziness.

I think it's important that people remember that there is no such thing as politically correct language through time, it's a fairly nonsensical cat chasing its tail. Bending your behavior a bit (in many ways) to avoid offense is a polite thing to do, but it's not exactly logical, predictable, consistent, sufficient, or I would suggest even necessary.
"Retarded" was once a formal diagnosis in the medical field used decades ago to diagnose basically anyone of low mental capacity; people with Down Syndrome, Autism, processing disorders, learning disorders, behavior disorders, etc would be given this label. This is simply because Autism, Down Syndrome, etc weren't widespread terms at the time since medical research in this field was far less advanced. It was PC at a time when most people knew nothing about mental disorders, but now that we can give these people more individualized diagnoses (Autism, Down Syndrome, etc), it is an outdated, pejorative term. Times change. Also, calling inanimate objects or situations "retarded" isn't any less offensive.

What "craziness" are you talking about?. Please expand as that is a very vague way to describe PC, and as far as I know, it's not like new words are being deemed offensive by the day.
 
"Retarded" was once a formal diagnosis in the medical field used decades ago to diagnose basically anyone of low mental capacity; people with Down Syndrome, Autism, processing disorders, learning disorders, behavior disorders, etc would be given this label. This is simply because Autism, Down Syndrome, etc weren't widespread terms at the time since medical research in this field was far less advanced. It was PC at a time when most people knew nothing about mental disorders, but now that we can give these people more individualized diagnoses (Autism, Down Syndrome, etc), it is an outdated, pejorative term. Times change. Also, calling inanimate objects or situations "retarded" isn't any less offensive.

Retarded isn't pejorative simply because more is known about more specialized diagnoses. It's pejorative because of the way it got used. Even if we knew nothing more about any of those conditions it would still be pejorative. So your discussion about those is completely moot.

There's nothing inherently offensive about "retarded". It's offensive because of an assumed intent, and this is my big break with PC culture - you can't always infer that intent, and you shouldn't always infer that intent. But make no mistake, the word is not offensive, it's the intended meaning behind it that can be offensive or not.

What "craziness" are you talking about?. Please expand as that is a very vague way to describe PC, and as far as I know, it's not like new words are being deemed offensive by the day.

It's been documented in this thread pretty well. Examples are people trying to prevent the use of "best friend" and other types of terms. If you're looking to be offended, and can't accept any other outcome, you will find it.

Also, making generalizations about white people is racist, so you should stop.
 
Retarded isn't pejorative simply because more is known about more specialized diagnoses. It's pejorative because of the way it got used. Even if we knew nothing more about any of those conditions it would still be pejorative. So your discussion about those is completely moot.

There's nothing inherently offensive about "retarded". It's offensive because of an assumed intent, and this is my big break with PC culture - you can't always infer that intent, and you shouldn't always infer that intent. But make no mistake, the word is not offensive, it's the intended meaning behind it that can be offensive or not.



It's been documented in this thread pretty well. Examples are people trying to prevent the use of "best friend" and other types of terms. If you're looking to be offended, and can't accept any other outcome, you will find it.

Also, making generalizations about white people is racist, so you should stop.
The intent/context of the word should matter, though. There are some words that simply shouldn't be said, ever.

So, PC is a "culture" now? How is having decency for others now a cultural attribute?. If using your manners isn't indicative of one's cultural status, then why should using PC language be?

Oh, and also, you can't be racist to a race that holds all the political and societal power, and one that has oppressed (and still does, to a lesser extent) all other races for centuries.
 
The intent/context of the word should matter, though. There are some words that simply shouldn't be said, ever
The meaning of a word can vary with context/the audience. The taking of offense very much lies with the offended party. Being offended is understandable, but nothing is inherently offensive and nothing should be made off limits to protect the people who worry about being offended. Those people by the way are not the groups you mentioned, which contain individuals who may or may not care about being PC.

Oh, and also, you can't be racist to a race that holds all the political and societal power, and one that has oppressed (and still does, to a lesser extent) all other races for centuries.
Racism against a majority works exactly the same as all racism. Treat the people who fall into that category as one homogeneous group, blame them for everything that's wrong, and ignore all of the problems they may face. I'm sorry to say it but the lines I quoted just above are a shining example.
 
Riveting contribution. And how can you actually prove that? Seems to me that you fit my so called "white people this, white people that generalizations" being that you have such a problem with me bringing up a pretty basic point: that the language people should be as inoffensive and inclusive as possible.

I am white. Many white people I associate myself with, whether family, friends, or people I see on social media, fit the "white people this, white people that generalizations". The only people I see having qualms with "PC speech' are in fact privileged white men. Disadvantaged groups like women, POC, the LGBTQ+ community, disabled people, etc aren't the ones protesting against political correctness. Because these are the people that it benefits.
Oh, so that makes it all right? Would be interesting to know how you'd feel if someone told you that a lot of black people they know fit the thuggish stereotype, it's using the same logic as you are after all...

Oh, and also, you can't be racist to a race that holds all the political and societal power, and one that has oppressed (and still does, to a lesser extent) all other races for centuries.
I'm white and hold no power of any kind over anyone. Are you saying I still can't experience racism under any circumstances through some more of your arbitrary logic?
 
There are some words that simply shouldn't be said, ever.

That's absurd.

So, PC is a "culture" now? How is having decency for others now a cultural attribute?. If using your manners isn't indicative of one's cultural status, then why should using PC language be?

Yes. The way I'm using PC culture is to refer to people who look for ways to be offended.

Oh, and also, you can't be racist to a race that holds all the political and societal power, and one that has oppressed (and still does, to a lesser extent) all other races for centuries.

Yes you can. All you have to do is treat them differently according to the color of their skin (or in greater depth, a suite of genetic traits that is generally lumped into a "race").
 

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