POLL: Happy or unhappy with Standard cars?

[Wardez]

I just want to drive a lot of cars, if some of the models look crappy, whatever, as long as the shaders, rendering engine, etc. can make it look passable, it's fine.

The whole idea of porting over all the PS2 cars and tracks was to give us more content, it didn't detract too much from gameplay or physics, so I supported it for GT5.

GT6 is the same case, but a next-gen GT game, no way in hell.

 

[Tenacious D]

I like how they're all small images so you can't see the problems.

Well, I was "walking" around those cars with my virtual camera, and am fully aware of the issues each and every model has in GT5. And I can assure you that the issue you made of this before isn't actually all that stark. Those pics really aren't hiding much, and anyone can examine them in their garage or in a race replay themselves.

I should have mentioned this during that little debate, maybe I did but I think I had better things to do. Replay and Photo Mode enhances these Standards so that the things that look ugly in the garage don't look as bad on the track or in a photo. And this is my point. The models are getting a better look in GT5 itself. They're going to be improved even more in GT6. If you want to convince me that I'm not seeing what my own two eyes are seeing... well, good luck with that.

 

[Samus]

I was talking about PS4 there, nothing more. I'm not going to argue about the standards in over and over. It's done. I just noticed how small the pictures you posted as examples of "not being too shabby" were as the bigger they get the worse they look. You don't see the standards that small unless you have a tiny TV.

PS if you can't see how horrid for example that shot of the Audi and Viper is I don't know what to tell you.

 

[IceMan PJN]

I just want to drive a lot of cars, if some of the models look crappy, whatever, as long as the shaders, rendering engine, etc. can make it look passable, it's fine.

The whole idea of porting over all the PS2 cars and tracks was to give us more content, it didn't detract too much from gameplay or physics, so I supported it for GT5.

GT6 is the same case, but a next-gen GT game, no way in hell.

I'm not sure why porting PSP, PS2, or PSX models into GT5 or GT6 would be okay on PS3 but not for PS4. In both instances you'd be importing outdated models from older, inferior hardware.

 

[Tenacious D]

if you can't see how horrid for example that shot of the Audi and Viper is I don't know what to tell you.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't see anything horrid about them. In the garage, sure, the Viper isn't all that nifty looking. In replays and in Photo Mode, I like it a lot. Obviously we drive on different sides of the road, expressing the various nature of opinion and taste with organic human lifeforms.

Well, one quick edit. The main problem with the Viper, and indeed many of the Standards, is the quality of the texture skins. This is a matter of reskinning them with better art, which is a heck of a lot quicker than modeling. But I suspect that the models are also getting some re-modeling and tesselating in dozens of PD workstations. As with all things PD, we'll see.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Hey, more cars is more cars. I'd rather have a standard car than no car. So the cosmetic quality isn't good and there's no cockpit view, or high beams, or windshield wipers, but at least you can kind of drive it.

If the standard cars are upgraded to a great degree, I hope high beams and windshild wipers are funtional on them, that'll be awesome. But I agree with you. The more cars, the merrier. 👍

 

[Imari]

I'm just not seeing aany solid reasons for the outrage. And these are the unimproved GT5 Standards. Alongside some Premium cars, they don't look shabby to me. This is why I want them.

Small, blurry photos go a long way to hiding any graphical defects. Frankly, most of those photos could have come straight from GT4 and you wouldn't see any difference.

Is that acceptable? Maybe to some people. I'd rather that the game I pay $60 for has improved slightly since the game I bought nine years ago, but each to their own.

 

[glassjaw]

I'm not sure why porting PSP, PS2, or PSX models into GT5 or GT6 would be okay on PS3 but not for PS4. In both instances you'd be importing outdated models from older, inferior hardware.

Think of it this way: it's another generational gap. The discrepancy in detail between a PS2 model and a PS3 model is pretty wide already, so the discrepancy between a PS2 model and a PS4 model would be even more outrageous.

Now if you can't see anything wrong with having GT1/2 models racing against GT6 premiums, well then... that's a very interesting position.

 

[Tornado]

"I'll defend the Standard cars again!"

*posts pictures of one of the worst looking ones in the game with extremely creative camera angles and speed blurring*

 

[[empty space]]

Why is it okay that not all cars and tracks are made to the standard?

Why does there seem to be the general consensus "if we dont have standards, we'll only have how ever many premiums are in the game" like the time spent upgrading standards wouldn't go into making more premiums?

Maybe it's time to find a new quality of models that will allow better efficiency so that we can have more models of higher quality and still have an impressive number of cars without recycling previous game assets?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Why is it okay that not all cars and tracks are made to the standard?

Why does there seem to be the general consensus "if we dont have standards, we'll only have how ever many premiums are in the game" like the time spent upgrading standards wouldn't go into making more premiums?

Maybe it's time to find a new quality of models that will allow better efficiency so that we can have more models of higher quality and still have an impressive number of cars without recycling previous game assets?

Blame PD for biting off more they can chew when making the premiums.

 

[steiner]

PD also could import the models from Drive Club.
Both sony first party studios, so they should come together somehow..

 

[Cheshyrkat]

Personally I think they should be cut. Some of the standards are passable but IMO they bring the overall quality of the game down. To me the inclusion is more akin to an open wound. You can dress it up, minimize the bleeding but until they are scrubbed, it will never heal. Sure having an encyclopedic level of cars is awesome but the mixed LOQ while racing can be pretty distracting and kills some of the immersion for me. I really do hope this is the last game with them. While not likely to happen I honestly hope that someone comes to their senses and that they will be cut before final release. Hopefully GT7 is more like GT3 car roster wise. Lower count, All premium models with a more focused list.

 

[McLOVIN5489]

I'll be completely honest with you all..... You guys spend more time putting the game under a microscope than actually enjoying the game....from graphics on down.....I understand how much work goes into your avergage GT premium, and Im not tripping over the standard concept.....as someone said earlier, THE MORE CARS THE MERRIER. Some of My Favorite and most prized cars happen to be standard....I'd much rather have these brought over from previous titles with lower quality than being stuck with dealership cars right out of the lot....the UCD gave me something else to work for, to look forward to... I for one find it FUN to search and search around for that Oreca Viper or for that XJ220 or even that eagle talon....sure its low quality graphically but they all drive just fine...I still hold a sentiment for it over the cars that are available to me 24/7.... A guy like me just wants to drive & have fun :shrug:

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I'll be completely honest with you all..... You guys spend more time putting the game under a microscope than actually enjoying the game....from graphics on down.....I understand how much work goes into your avergage GT premium, and Im not tripping over the standard concept.....as someone said earlier, THE MORE CARS THE MERRIER. Some of My Favorite and most prized cars happen to be standard....I'd much rather have these brought over from previous titles with lower quality than being stuck with dealership cars right out of the lot....the UCD gave me something else to work for, to look forward to... I for one find it FUN to search and search around for that Oreca Viper or for that XJ220 or even that eagle talon....sure its low quality graphically but they all drive just fine...I still hold a sentiment for it over the cars that are available to me 24/7.... A guy like me just wants to drive & have fun :shrug:

Noticing how low-quality standards cars are compared to premium cars is putting the game under the microscope? Seriously? God forbid we criticize something so glaringly obvious. And please explain why having premium cars in the UCD couldn't work.

 

[maxpontiac]

I'll be completely honest with you all..... You guys spend more time putting the game under a microscope than actually enjoying the game....

Welcome to GTPlanet. I have been here for several years and while I do appreciate the effort to make Gran Turismo a better game, some it borders on OCD.

as someone said earlier, THE MORE CARS THE MERRIER. Some of My Favorite and most prized cars happen to be standard....

Indeed. I am a huge fan of hundreds of these cars and while I would rather see the cars brought to full detail, I am ok with the cockpit less cars in Gran Turismo.

sure its low quality graphically but they all drive just fine...I still hold a sentiment for it over the cars that are available to me 24/7....

Interestingly enough, we don't know the full details surrounding the cockpit less cars. Kaz said there are no standards in GT6 as all cars will share the same functionality (outside of cockpit view) so I am still very optimistic over GT6's massive car list.

A guy like me just wants to drive & have fun :shrug:

👍

 

[glassjaw]

I understand how much work goes into your avergage GT premium, and Im not tripping over the standard concept.....as someone said earlier, THE MORE CARS THE MERRIER. Some of My Favorite and most prized cars happen to be standard....I'd much rather have these brought over from previous titles with lower quality than being stuck with dealership cars right out of the lot....the UCD gave me something else to work for, to look forward to... I for one find it FUN to search and search around for that Oreca Viper or for that XJ220 or even that eagle talon....sure its low quality graphically but they all drive just fine...

It goes both ways. Some of my favorite cars ever, like the Impreza 22B, the Mercedes 190E, and the KPGC10 GT-R are only available as standard models, and so I refuse to buy them because they look downright awful.

 

[grashopper]

I say keep them in the game but keep them separate. No point in trashing them all because there is a ton I really like and would be bummed to lose.
Don't have the AI running them in A-SPEC though. I think they should be totally up to the player if they are ever seen.

 

[tpark103]

We won't know to what degree the standard cars will resemble the cars in GT5 until we've actually seen and had a chance to drive and attempt to modify them. At this point speculating is all that we can do.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

PD is going to have to show off the standard cars at either Gamescom or TGS. It will be worrying if we don't see them at all before GT6's release.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

I just don't see it possible for PD to make premiums of the standards we have. I doubt there's anyway they could get a hold of the C5-R corvette racecar and fully model the interior. Thats just an example... I think one day that lots of good cars will be cut.

Couldn't PD simply "premium-ize" the outside of the car to what the real premiums have now? They could just leave the interior dark and no cockpit view. At least then they look the part in gameplay and replay.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

"I'll defend the Standard cars again!"

*posts pictures of one of the worst looking ones in the game with extremely creative camera angles and speed blurring*

What, you mean Chrysler didn't throw a gaussian blur on every logo on the GTS-R in Photoshop? That they didn't make a sticker resembling a side-exit exhaust? What's next, you're going to tell me Lamborghini didn't do the same thing with their decals? You're probably going to tell me they did run octagonal front fenders, too.

Interestingly enough, we don't know the full details surrounding the cockpit less cars. Kaz said there are no standards in GT6 as all cars will share the same functionality (outside of cockpit view) so I am still very optimistic over GT6's massive car list.

Well, there are still Standards - it's just that this time, PD is being more coy about it, and hiding the quality difference from the player instead of dividing them in the garage like GT5. It's sort of like how I could remove all the system-specific branding from my PS2 and PS3 games, and then simply refer to them as "PlayStation games".

PD is going to have to show off the standard cars at either Gamescom or TGS. It will be worrying if we don't see them at all before GT6's release.

I wouldn't be surprised if they get about as much attention pre-release as they did in GT5. Why would they?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I wouldn't be surprised if they get about as much attention pre-release as they did in GT5. Why would they?

Well, personally, I wouldn't have a lot of confidence in this statement if they weren't willing to show them through screenshots or a trailer like they did at E3 2010 for GT5:

In terms of graphics quality, the bad quality Standard models we’ve updated so they look better.

We know they are in the game, so there's no point in trying to hide them.

 

[maxpontiac]

We won't know to what degree the standard cars will resemble the cars in GT5 until we've actually seen and had a chance to drive and attempt to modify them. At this point speculating is all that we can do.

Yes sir. That is the point I have been trying to make in this thread. We don't fully know what PDI has in store for us.

PD is going to have to show off the standard cars at either Gamescom or TGS. It will be worrying if we don't see them at all before GT6's release.

If you allow it to be worrying, sure. But why fret over it? Kaz said that the all cars will share the same functionality. That's good news.

Well, there are still Standards - it's just that this time, PD is being more coy about it, and hiding the quality difference from the player instead of dividing them in the garage like GT5. It's sort of like how I could remove all the system-specific branding from my PS2 and PS3 games, and then simply refer to them as "PlayStation games".

Being more coy about it or just being honest? As I said above, PDI has promised the same features for all cars minus the cockpit.

I wouldn't be surprised if they get about as much attention pre-release as they did in GT5. Why would they?

I remember when the standards were first revealed via short clip right before GT5's release. I also remember that was all we got, and to keep it in proper perspective, we already have more info for GT6 then they we did with GT5. Yes, it's not saying much, but why say the sky is falling already?

If I may be so bold, I can't wait till GT6 releases and the avalanche of goodies comes out.

 

[Tenacious D]

Small, blurry photos go a long way to hiding any graphical defects. Frankly, most of those photos could have come straight from GT4 and you wouldn't see any difference.

Is that acceptable? Maybe to some people. I'd rather that the game I pay $60 for has improved slightly since the game I bought nine years ago, but each to their own.

"I'll defend the Standard cars again!"

*posts pictures of one of the worst looking ones in the game with extremely creative camera angles and speed blurring*

Since I have already typed at length on both of these points, I refer my friends to comments I made some moments ago.

I'm with max, obviously. Most of my favorite cars are Standards. To me, the older cars are much more interesting to look at, photograph and mod than the constant stream of soapdish roundy bodies that typify most new cars these days, like the Beemers since 2005 or so. Give me a Spirra, Lamborghini NOMAD Diablo, Ford GT LM II, BMW M3 GTR... whatever, than this constant parade of post-2007 rides. About the only things that interest me in these late models are the GT-R, Corvette and... shoot, that may be it.

 

[Samus]

Yeah, you like the cars themselves. I find it hard to believe you actually like the standard car modelling.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Yeah, you like the cars themselves. I find it hard to believe you actually like the standard car modelling.

Right, which is why I wouldn't want to see them get cut.

Hopefully they get a premium exterior, I don't need an interior on all cars.

 

[Ranman20]

I don't need an interior on all cars.

Lol

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Right, which is why I wouldn't want to see them get cut.

Hopefully they get a premium exterior, I don't need an interior on all cars.

That makes no sense

 

[steiner]

but the mixed LOQ while racing can be pretty distracting and kills some of the immersion for me.

Thats interessting.
In a race i cant tell if a car is S or P.
For me its an opponent.
in replay, yes, in the starting grid, yes. in the race? no.

Yeah, you like the cars themselves. I find it hard to believe you actually like the standard car modelling.

for a ps3 game im very ok with them.

again, at the end of the day it comes down to haveing 800 extra cars or not having them.
thats a no brainer.

There are a lot of standard cars i really like and i dont want to miss out on them in the next gt.


to be perfectly honest with you: if I had the choice i would trade in the 200 Premium cars for another 500 Standard cars.

Sure i would rather have all cars premium, but thats just not realistic.
and in case of doubt more cars > prettier cars