[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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Very very important we keep a 'moderate' democratic presidency in the US. The situation with ISIS is to delicate to have someone that is more balls than brains lead the fight. Imagine if someone like Trump dictates foreign policy :scared:

He'd eliminate ISIS in a couple of days, can you imagine how many golf resorts he'd fit in their territory? Plus they've done the land clearance, winner winner chicken dinner.
 
Very very important we keep a 'moderate' democratic presidency in the US. The situation with ISIS is to delicate to have someone that is more balls than brains lead the fight. Imagine if someone like Trump dictates foreign policy :scared:
The current "moderate" democrat president in the White House has worsened the problems in the world by supporting regime change in Syria, Libya and Ukraine, and commencing a new cold war with Russia with a program of sanctions. He is little better than preceding presidents, although I do give him credit for winding down the war in Afghanistan and renewing relations with Cuba.

With Trump, we know little about his foreign policy, other than that he is a nationalist, and recognizes Putin as a nationalist with whom he can do business. And that he has said he will take from foreigners and give to Americans.

Perhaps he will build his 60' wall with Mexico, make peace with Russia and attack Canada? :lol:
 
The terrifying Trump, the lunatic fringe personified, is rising through the polls at a terrifying rate.

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Some sense apparently remains in the twit-o-sphere though...

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Celeb culture has made this world go down the toilet, lots of people will vote for someone they see on TV over anything else.

Hell, even Kayne has now said he is going to run for the next presidential election in 2020. Kim Kardashian as the first lady...

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I'm still not convinced Trump will get the GOP nomination in the end, there's so many candidates in their nomination race who are taking votes off each other.
 
He definitely has facist aspects to his campaigning. It's a mix of both. A very volatile hybrid of the two.
Please explain.
Trump is a former democrat and known social liberal on women's issues and health care.
He is campaigning on a platform of peace and prosperity, and seems less bellicose than any other candidate except maybe Rand Paul.
 
The current "moderate" democrat president in the White House has worsened the problems in the world by supporting regime change in Syria, Libya and Ukraine, and commencing a new cold war with Russia with a program of sanctions. He is little better than preceding presidents, although I do give him credit for winding down the war in Afghanistan and renewing relations with Cuba.
The Arabian revolution happened out of his control, what could he have done support the dictator? As far as i can tell Russia taking over Crimea was also out of his control.

What is happening now in Iraq and Syria is a direct consequence of your previous Republican gov. when Bush and his cronies thought it would be a good idea to scare the nation and invade Iraq. Obama is just stuck cleaning up their mess.
 
The context of Russia annexing Crimea? Or something else?
Commencing a new cold war on those regards...

The US is not in danger in any means by Russia in terms of direct contact. What happened in Crimea happened, and whether the vote was rigged or not to join back, the end result was not hampered by even the EU, who should've taken care of the situation. Not the US.

You could say it was not in our interests to even associate with the matter, and it shouldn't have been, and as a result we find ourselves with our feet not in our mouths, compared to Bush in the middle east (which you say he was and winding down now is good, so whether you are for mass invasion or not puzzles me).

The Arabian revolution happened out of his control, what could he have done support the dictator? As far as i can tell Russia taking over Crimea was also out of his control.
To a degree it was out of his control, or any control from foreign counterparts, yet it was aimed in a direction not to repeat history, IE, Saddam's takeover of Iraq. Had leaders that no longer walk this Earth give their final commands, we could had of seen similar instances. With the US not sending mass quantities of soldiers over but using drones and offshore tactics, it eventually led to a more stable region.

The Arab spring was something I actually was happy about, where the citizens of their country wanted change and weren't afraid to stand in the face of government and risk their lives. Look now to Syria, and although ISIS is willing to pull the triggers w/o commands, you now have this flocking to Germany or other "promised lands" to evade the country and its terrorism associated with it.

In my mind, a coalition effort here would more than likely be a repeating failure as seen elsewhere in the middle east. You have a religious hot-bed that for the past 2000 years have been in religious wars and Jihads aiming to destroy one-another. Sending a mere 1.5 million soldiers will not make up for 210 decades of previous history, to fix (in what I find) a flawed religion that spans more than 1/7 of the world. The very basis of Islam promotes Jihads, or holy wars to eliminate what could be called 'gentiles' of Islam, and now you have these groups taking that name to the point, while other followers claim "that is not was Islam stands for." Well, apparently these people don't understand what the spoon the feeds them actually believes in.

In my mind, the entire region should be blockaded at every feasible crossing and waterway from the outside world, as their ideology ceases to grasp the true meaning of co-existence.... It's quite obvious when leaders are saying closer countries in the path to Germany are just as safe, when they are actually saying we have too many of your people and thoughts here and you are no longer accepted by us..


And if that doesn't work just send them to the Outback of Australia, as apparently they don't mind taking on too many foreigners...
 
You have a religious hot-bed that for the past 2000 years have been in religious wars and Jihads aiming to destroy one-another. Sending a mere 1.5 million soldiers will not make up for 210 decades of previous history, to fix (in what I find) a flawed religion that spans more than 1/7 of the world. The very basis of Islam promotes Jihads, or holy wars to eliminate what could be called 'gentiles' of Islam, and now you have these groups taking that name to the point, while other followers claim "that is not was Islam stands for." Well, apparently these people don't understand what the spoon the feeds them actually believes in.
Misinterpretation mostly. You could do the same if you take every verse in the bible literally and sadly that's what IS followers do; misinterpretation of the Koran combined with hate feelings towards western culture (a lot of times due to personal failure as westerners).

This conflict needs to be handled by someone with a brain, storming in there all guns loaded is just what IS wants so they can escalate the conflict to a clash of religions. We do need to precision bomb the **** out of them from the skies though.
 
Misinterpretation mostly. You could do the same if you take every verse in the bible literally and sadly that's what IS followers do; misinterpretation of the Koran combined with hate feelings towards western culture (a lot of times due to personal failure as westerners).
Misinterpretation or not, when you google 'Islam Jihad' and the first site to appear is "no no no..... what it actually means.." seems to me and among others as a cover-up for what was once the standard or could be "pillar" for the faith itself. Now you this "misinterpretation" outreach to cover your ass from any sort of notion it means war at all, but yet a soft, fluffy form of, striving to let all obtain knowledge (forcefully or not) of our faith...

Religion is so messed up anyways... I don't really have a belief other than in Deism if you want to call it.. It's just an odd topic that people are so protective over, yet outside of the property lines of their local church, life revolves around the "proof or not real" aspect... I mean, get real people..

This conflict needs to be handled by someone with a brain, storming in there all guns loaded is just what IS wants so they can escalate the conflict to a clash of religions. We do need to precision bomb the **** out of them from the skies though.
Yes, a plan, with actual obtainable goals that can be held and expanded upon while in conflict.

You look at past wars up until WWII and you hear this repeated over time after time, that there were actual goals needed to be reached. Bridges were meant to be captured, people meant to be killed or eliminated from power, and countries and their people protected from such leaders. Those words all boil down to strategic goals, where leverage could be applied.

From Vietnam forwards, you have ideologies that need to be eliminated like we do here in some sense. The average politician wants to see the ideology gone, but yet they find that keeping the state/source is a good thing. No, the ideology will live and thrive after leaving the area, and will only build up after that. Everything needs to be eliminated from those who use the weapons, to those who order the weapons. The entire state needs to be shaken down from the simplest of operating means from other stable countries trusted around the globe to carry out the duties that affect the lives of millions of others. Simply scaring the thought into hiding and assuming the coast is clear, to only leave and have it reap out from darkness is the tune that politicians play. As long as they can make it last long enough during their presidency then it is good for them, an apparently good for the country.

That is what I'm not looking for in a president at this point. I'd like to see the opposite done where a sweep across a nation is the only option, or not getting our feet wet is the only alternative. If it is to be played out and find a country deteriorate at the expense of lives not ours, then it must be. But to put it simply, I can't see that from happening. You have these people going into historic ruins, museums, and high places destroying the past history to represent their own (failed) ideas... It's just impossible to let it not happen like that...
 
It should not be our intentions or concerns to protect the entire world. That's what organizations like NATO and the UN are suppose to be for and our government continues to supersede those organizations. It's one thing if our country is called on to assist in areas of conflict, but to take the lead and preemptively take the reigns is not how things are suppose to be.
 
He definitely has facist aspects to his campaigning. It's a mix of both. A very volatile hybrid of the two.
I'm with @Dotini. I'd also like to know what the fascist aspects are in The Donald's campaigning.
 
Whoever gets in will be a puppet for the people with real power.

Bilderbergers control governments, those in secret circles, control Bilderberg policies.

Whoever you vote for will bow to the elite or they risk assassination or exposure of whatever dark secret the real power brokers have on them.
 
Trump is running on notions that Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini all used to rise to power. Putting natural born citizens over everyone else by using anti-immigration to rally people. The talks of invading the middle east and taking their land/oil/etc.
 
Whoever gets in will be a puppet for the people with real power.

Bilderbergers control governments, those in secret circles, control Bilderberg policies.

Whoever you vote for will bow to the elite or they risk assassination or exposure of whatever dark secret the real power brokers have on them.

A lot of people think like this, but it would be best to preface these statements with IMO. Otherwise, you're vulnerable to cries for citations in mainstream media, which may be somewhat lacking in this case.

But I would go on the record with my opinion that the nation-state system, emerging after hundreds of years of feudalism, is in its turn giving way to a form of international government based on well-heeled interest groups and lobbies, and not nations of citizens.
 
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@Dotini, when I see stuff like the TPP and TTIP, I find it hard to refute what you're saying.
 
Trump is running on notions that Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini all used to rise to power. Putting natural born citizens over everyone else by using anti-immigration to rally people. The talks of invading the middle east and taking their land/oil/etc.
When did Trump say he was anti-immigration? Here is his immigration plan, what part of it is anti-immigrant? What part of the plan is bad for America? These 250 highly skilled technical workers laid off from Disneyland in favour of outsourced jobs to H-1B visa holders is the kind of thing Trump is talking about.
His "invasion" of the middle east was not an invasion of the middle east. He talked about a targeted plan to take the Syrian oil fields away from ISIS, which as of yesterday, had control of every single Syrian oil field, providing them with serious funding to promote their terrorist jihad further into the Middle East? A little different from "invading the middle east and taking their land/oil etc."
 
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No, Hitler is the Trump card, not the same thing. I should know, I stole this from one of your posts....

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I feel like Hitler should have trample damage. I mean, I get that you'll never tap him because you win instantly when you play it, but still... trample. What happens when you summon hitler and someone else plays an instant race card?
 
I feel like Hitler should have trample damage. I mean, I get that you'll never tap him because you win instantly when you play it, but still... trample. What happens when you summon hitler and someone else plays an instant race card?

You just play the Hitler card again and again until everyone sees just how wrong your opponent is :)
 
We do need to precision bomb the **** out of them from the skies though.
I don't call killing thousands while targeting hundreds precise. Oh sure, the bomb might land on a precise spot, but the target may or may not be there and the explosion is not six feet high and two feet wide. It takes out entire buildings or city blocks. Sometimes you kill children. Sometimes you even kill American citizens.

Add in the double tap policy and it goes from imprecise to war crimes, as we are killing first responders. It gets worse when you read the reports of striking the funerals.

If this is precise and moderate then there is no hope left for this country until we stop electing these two corrupt parties.

It's said that you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. OK. Where's my gorram omelet?




And this perfectly describes how I view many voters.

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