[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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The Clintons left the White House broke and in debt. Now they are worth over a hundred million dollars dollars.

Where did all of this wealth come from? This may answer a few questions about that.

 
Hillary's health is being called into question again, but this time it is her August schedule that is suggesting this trend. Here is an image of her alleged schedule through 8/20 (keep in mind that the month is 3/4ths done, so the attendance numbers might be swayed by final attendance numbers):

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11 events in what is now proven to be one of the biggest months in the entire election, and making herself available to little press coverage (though in her defense, she did appear in a Black/Latino press only event this month, but not in a traditional press conference). Makes one question if she is even fit to run this country.
 
So because she's only doing a handful of events, her health is in such poor shape that she's unfit to run the country? That sounds like you're grasping at straws.
 
So because she's only doing a handful of events, her health is in such poor shape that she's unfit to run the country? That sounds like you're grasping at straws.
Thomas Eagleton was removed as the Democratic vice-presidential candidate in 1972 after revelations of mental illness and electroshock therapy.
 
Thomas Eagleton was removed as the Democratic vice-presidential candidate in 1972 after revelations of mental illness and electroshock therapy.
If there was any credibility to the stories about Clinton suffering dementia, don't you think the Democrats would have done something about it already? The whole thing stank of a fabrication designed to discredit her, and the anti-Clintonites swallowed it hook, line and sinker because of their confirmation bias.
 
If there was any credibility to the stories about Clinton suffering dementia, don't you think the Democrats would have done something about it already? The whole thing stank of a fabrication designed to discredit her, and the anti-Clintonites swallowed it hook, line and sinker because of their confirmation bias.
Ms. Clinton has suffered concussion and extended treatment for a thrombosis of a portion of her brain behind the right ear, as I recall. She has required long periods of quiet time away from public interaction. Her own Huma Abedin has been quoted as saying she often gets confused and required assistance, even for the simplest things. She does not release her medical records any more than Trump releases his taxes. They both have something to hide.

Does the public have a right to know about the mental, physical and financial condition our leaders? In a democracy, you might think so. But we are not a democracy, so we must be happy not knowing.
 
Now repeat after me, We Are Free!!
Even rich, single, property-owning, adult white men are now finding regulation, surveillance and privacy limitation around every corner. "Freedom" is a slogan, an idea, an aspiration or false memory. The concept is highly subjective and relative.
 
Even rich, single, property-owning, adult white men are now finding regulation, surveillance and privacy limitation around every corner. "Freedom" is a slogan, an idea, an aspiration or false memory. The concept is highly subjective and relative.
I get what you're saying. I was trying to be sarcastic.
You know. We're their mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed....
 
Hillary's health is being called into question again, but this time it is her August schedule that is suggesting this trend. Here is an image of her alleged schedule through 8/20 (keep in mind that the month is 3/4ths done, so the attendance numbers might be swayed by final attendance numbers):

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11 events in what is now proven to be one of the biggest months in the entire election, and making herself available to little press coverage (though in her defense, she did appear in a Black/Latino press only event this month, but not in a traditional press conference). Makes one question if she is even fit to run this country.

I can't even begin to understand what you're getting at here.

Attendance numbers at political rallies are directly correlated with the candidate's mental health?
 
I can't even begin to understand what you're getting at here.

Attendance numbers at political rallies are directly correlated with the candidate's mental health?

The less people who see a particular candidate, the more likely the scenario. I am not questioning Hillary's fitness out of hand, but when a candidate goes nearly 260 days before presenting themselves in what resembled a press conference, and then go another 48 hours in silence before presenting yourself to a grand total of 350 people over two events, then naturally, questions will be raised about the state of Hillary's health and fitness, and it shouldn't be just from the right either.
 
I'm still not seeing the line connecting the two.
To be honest, I'm not seeing the connection either. All I'm reporting is that certain right wing media not named Brietbart is using that chart to question her fitness to be president. Seeing the last time the issue came up (before the black/latino journalist conference), Trump made a huge stink about it. I predict the same thing happening here.
 
ABC news reported on air that Hillary Clinton lied in her 2009 nomination hearing when she promised not to give special access to Clinton Foundation donors. Apparently the majority of the people she met with as Secretary of State had previously donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the foundation. The hunt is now on for exactly what was received in return for the donations. Former governor Rob Blagoyevich is now serving time in prison for similar "pay to play" corruption. Undoubtedly Hillary will be held above the law by the current Justice Department. So a special prosecutor or new administration will be required if justice is to be served. But don't get your hopes up. Might makes right and the ends justify the means. Only the winners write the history. One way or the other, a criminal or an opportunist playboy will be our next president. Surely the end is near. :lol:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ABC-News-Clinton-Lied-Donor-Access/2016/08/23/id/744759/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-donors-clinton-foundation-met-her-state-183315225--election.html
 
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More fuel for the Drumpfster Fire, as Ann Coulter - one of Trump's most devout supporters - is disgusted with Trump's softening on immigration.

Oh, and Stephen Bannon, Drumpf's latest campaign CEO, was once charged with domestic violence.

Eh, I mean considering the laundry list of what faces an actual candidate and her workers, why is a domestic violence charge really all that heavy. I mean it's politico which at times gets seen as more left leaning for one, and two the charges were dropped (which I figured based on headline wording), but given the click bait like title.

As for the other part, I think that's an actual problem, now if that means that he's actually making a more concise view on how he plans to approach immigration rather than saying "huuuuuuuuuuuuuge wall" is up for debate.
 
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Should we start worrying about Trump's health too, following this string of cancellations?

I think we should worry about his rape trial. It's to do with a 13 year old back in 1994 but I don't know much else about the case.

Is, uh... is this real? or as legit as Hillary's medical papers?

 
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I think we should worry about his rape trial. It's to do with a 13 year old back in 1994 but I don't know much else about the case.

Is, uh... is this real? or as legit as Hillary's medical papers?



You mean stuff that was hashed out in other forums across the net and not given serious thought because publications with legitimacy and a cross to burn didn't even see it worth the time. And this was March/April of this year, then it came up again for a bit mid summer, and I guess some are still hoping it will prove end of summer.

Also what a unique way of spelling Michelle, here entire twitter pages is riddled with anti-trump images even a photoshopped Trump swastika tattoo on the back of what can be assumed as a neo-nazi's head. Then she has pro-African american stuff and how Hillary needs to do this or that to get the "AA vote". I mean Trump is bad but let's not be classy about the unclassy I guess...

Here's the issue I have, I'm fine for trying to prove this stuff but not the reasoning given, which is "well Hillary gets talked about due to her baggage so why not Trump". The problem is Hillary's baggage has been proven, it's not just a hidden allegation it's a open sore for many to see and keep seeing as she continually screws up over and over. I don't think Trump is remotely good, but why any one (not saying you Liquid) would find this woman somewhat decent when she's a repeat offender with no sign of stopping...
 
As this election drags on it becomes harder to maintain interest in the day-to-day shenanigans. A political commentary by the former Solicitor General under Reagan puts the conservative case against Trump pretty succinctly.

It was urgent that Hillary Clinton in her Reno speech indict Donald Trump for his regular, unremitting embrace of the slogans, causes and emblems of the far right (not conservative, please!) hate-mongering fringe of our public discourse.

This is not just an accidental association. It is his chosen signature. Remember, he was an enthusiastic birther and has gone on to embrace every sinister paranoid fantasy since.


These are not ghosts you can raise just when it seems convenient or because a particular crowd might thrill to them and then when the time comes to govern you can waive aside and pretend you never summoned them. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. And these fleas carry the disease of virulent hatred and discord.

I have a sense for these things. I am not, like Judge Gonzalo Curiel, just the child of immigrants but an immigrant myself. I was four years old when my family and I fled Prague just after the Nazis invaded. I was 13 when I raised my hand and swore an oath of allegiance to the United States and became a citizen. That was a privilege and it was an even greater privilege when Chief Justice Warren Burger administered a very similar oath to me and I was able to serve my country and the Constitution as Ronald Reagan's solicitor general.

I am a student of the history of the man and the movement who drove me and my family out of a young but prosperous and real democracy. He ranted and gestured and whipped up his people with streams of hatred and invective for those he accused of betraying them, stabbing them in the back, polluting their "race," and promised that, if the people would follow him, tomorrow would belong to them.

I only met Ronald Reagan, the president I served, once for any length of time. He hosted a lunch at the White House for the justices of the Supreme Court and the members of his administration who worked before that court.

Reagan sat across from Thurgood Marshall and that whole lunch he and Marshall laughed and joked and swapped football stories. My mother, who had revered President Franklin D. Roosevelt as the savior of Europe, loved "Ronnie," but not his neckties.

I could see why she admired him. He was a firm but good man, who hated no one, who could work with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in Reykjavik to start ridding the world of nuclear weapons, yet tell him to his face with a genial grin "Trust, but verify" in painfully learned Russian, and who could stand before the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin and say, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." And he never once told people how smart he was -- he was smart and secure enough to think it was to his advantage to let people underestimate him.

Can you imagine him insulting a Gold Star mother, casting obscene aspersions on a woman reporter who had done her job -- on Fox, indeed -- by tough questioning, pledging to round up and deport 12 million undocumented men, women and children? One of Reagan's iconic moments had to do with tearing walls down. Trump asks forever to be remembered as the man who will build a "great wall."


Trump tells us that we need to rebuild our schools, roads, bridges, airports; so does Hillary Clinton. But he is going to cut everyone's taxes in order to pay for it. I believe her; I don't believe him because what he promises is simply unbelievable. And now he tells us Mexicans are great people; that maybe he won't deport all those people after all; that the insults he hurls about like confetti were not really meant to hurt anyone's feelings.

This is a man about whom the best you can say is that he doesn't believe anything he says. After that, it's downhill all the way. Hillary Clinton will give us a decent, competent, understandable government. That's plenty good enough for me, and considering the truly dreadful alternative, it's good enough for increasing numbers of my fellow Republicans.
 
I totally agree about Trump.

"Trump tells us that we need to rebuild our schools, roads, bridges, airports; so does Hillary Clinton. But he is going to cut everyone's taxes in order to pay for it. I believe her;"

Yea, Clinton is going to all the things Obama promised for the last 8 years because.... wait why again? I have no idea why anyone believes these people

"This is a man about whom the best you can say is that he doesn't believe anything he says. After that, it's downhill all the way. Hillary Clinton will give us a decent, competent, understandable government."

I don't buy that last bit. Understandable? Maybe only in that we understand she's using it for her own personal gain. Decent? I doubt anything of her history or Bill's can really be considered decent. She is competent at serving her interests though, so maybe we can give him two of those statements. "Competent" at serving Hillary's checkbook. "Understandabl[y]" for her benefit and no one else's.
 
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As this election drags on it becomes harder to maintain interest in the day-to-day shenanigans. A political commentary by the former Solicitor General under Reagan puts the conservative case against Trump pretty succinctly.

It was urgent that Hillary Clinton in her Reno speech indict Donald Trump for his regular, unremitting embrace of the slogans, causes and emblems of the far right (not conservative, please!) hate-mongering fringe of our public discourse.

This is not just an accidental association. It is his chosen signature. Remember, he was an enthusiastic birther and has gone on to embrace every sinister paranoid fantasy since.


These are not ghosts you can raise just when it seems convenient or because a particular crowd might thrill to them and then when the time comes to govern you can waive aside and pretend you never summoned them. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. And these fleas carry the disease of virulent hatred and discord.

I have a sense for these things. I am not, like Judge Gonzalo Curiel, just the child of immigrants but an immigrant myself. I was four years old when my family and I fled Prague just after the Nazis invaded. I was 13 when I raised my hand and swore an oath of allegiance to the United States and became a citizen. That was a privilege and it was an even greater privilege when Chief Justice Warren Burger administered a very similar oath to me and I was able to serve my country and the Constitution as Ronald Reagan's solicitor general.

I am a student of the history of the man and the movement who drove me and my family out of a young but prosperous and real democracy. He ranted and gestured and whipped up his people with streams of hatred and invective for those he accused of betraying them, stabbing them in the back, polluting their "race," and promised that, if the people would follow him, tomorrow would belong to them.

I only met Ronald Reagan, the president I served, once for any length of time. He hosted a lunch at the White House for the justices of the Supreme Court and the members of his administration who worked before that court.

Reagan sat across from Thurgood Marshall and that whole lunch he and Marshall laughed and joked and swapped football stories. My mother, who had revered President Franklin D. Roosevelt as the savior of Europe, loved "Ronnie," but not his neckties.

I could see why she admired him. He was a firm but good man, who hated no one, who could work with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in Reykjavik to start ridding the world of nuclear weapons, yet tell him to his face with a genial grin "Trust, but verify" in painfully learned Russian, and who could stand before the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin and say, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." And he never once told people how smart he was -- he was smart and secure enough to think it was to his advantage to let people underestimate him.

Can you imagine him insulting a Gold Star mother, casting obscene aspersions on a woman reporter who had done her job -- on Fox, indeed -- by tough questioning, pledging to round up and deport 12 million undocumented men, women and children? One of Reagan's iconic moments had to do with tearing walls down. Trump asks forever to be remembered as the man who will build a "great wall."


Trump tells us that we need to rebuild our schools, roads, bridges, airports; so does Hillary Clinton. But he is going to cut everyone's taxes in order to pay for it. I believe her; I don't believe him because what he promises is simply unbelievable. And now he tells us Mexicans are great people; that maybe he won't deport all those people after all; that the insults he hurls about like confetti were not really meant to hurt anyone's feelings.

This is a man about whom the best you can say is that he doesn't believe anything he says. After that, it's downhill all the way. Hillary Clinton will give us a decent, competent, understandable government. That's plenty good enough for me, and considering the truly dreadful alternative, it's good enough for increasing numbers of my fellow Republicans.
Is this from Mark Levin? If it is, then you have his position in the Reagan Administration wrong. Levin wasn't the Solicitor General, but rather he was the Chief of Staff of the Solicitor General.

That doesn't make his arguments any less valid.
 
Is this from Mark Levin? If it is, then you have his position in the Reagan Administration wrong. Levin wasn't the Solicitor General, but rather he was the Chief of Staff of the Solicitor General.

That doesn't make his arguments any less valid.
I meant to include his name: Charles Fried. He says he supported McCain in 2008 but voted for Obama after McCain picked Palin as a running mate. This time he gets a Palin at the top of the ticket ...

Yea, Clinton is going to all the things Obama promised for the last 8 years because.... wait why again? I have no idea why anyone believes these people

I imagine he is mainly commenting on the fact that Trump promises stuff while promising simultaneously to lower taxes - sort of like Bush & the Iraq war.

I don't buy that last bit. Understandable? Maybe only in that we understand she's using it for her own personal gain. Decent? I doubt anything of her history or Bill's can really be considered decent. She is competent at serving her interests though, so maybe we can give him two of those statements. "Competent" at serving Hillary's checkbook. "Understandabl[y]" for her benefit and no one else's.

You seem to be buying into the Right's anti-Clinton BS. The way I see it, the Clintons - Bill & Hillary - rose from humble origins to power through grit, intelligence, determination, political smarts, & raw ambition. Very different from GW Bush, for instance, who had money & family connections to guide the way his entire career. Are they charming, selfless individuals? No. But they're certainly no worse than many other Presidential figures. More sneaky & conniving than Nixon? I don't think so. More philandering than JFK? Not even close. Along with decades of successful "public service" come certain rewards. That's the way it works.

What Fried means is that a Clinton presidency would be largely predictable & understandable. Trump? Who the hell knows? He is an idiot with grandiose delusions. That much should be obvious to anyone. In spite of all the vitriol that has been directed at Clinton from the Right & (laughable) accusations of being a "liberal extremist", she is fundamentally a status quo politician, with all the good & bad that that suggests. It's hard to see why a traditional conservative wouldn't support her over Trump.
 
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