[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Chrunch Houston]

Someone please tell me that this is a joke.

 

[Scaff]

FBI seem to have cleared Clinton.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile...ary-clinton-male-voters-donald-trump.amp.html

Awaits the paid off, it was planned all along, liberal elite rigged it, sacrifice to Satan, etc explanations from the Trump camp (info wars reaction alone should be entertaining).

 

[Chrunch Houston]

FBI seem to have cleared Clinton.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile...ary-clinton-male-voters-donald-trump.amp.html

Yep, she is as pure as the driven snow.

 

[Scaff]

I said it "appeared" to do something. And I asked a question.

No I did not look at your link, I have not had the time. How is it relevant?

How is it relevant?

It clearly proves the video you used had been edited to utterly change the meaning.

It shows your source to be a lie.

Yep, she is as pure as the driven snow.

Just like around a third of Federal employees, including two past holder of the same office.

 

[Dotini]

How is it relevant?

It clearly proves the video you used had been edited to utterly change the meaning.

It shows your source to be a lie.

No, not utterly. Agreed that my source, Obama, is a liar. He did say that "first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself", which is a lie. And he did say elsewhere that he first learned of Hillary's illegal server issues from the media, also a lie.

I am going to ask you, very respectfully, to stop complaining about me. In return, I promise to use only acceptable (to you) sources in the future.

 

[McLaren]

No, not utterly. Agreed that my source, Obama, is a liar. He did say that voting makes you a citizen, which is a lie. And he did say elsewhere that he first learned of Hillary's illegal server issues from the media, also a lie.

I think it's a figure of speech, which is what @Scaff may allude to; voting is a major part of being a US citizen, as maybe perhaps, a "duty" to your country to make yourself heard.

But, anyway, I believe this Assange's latest interview with John Pilger on RT. It is about 25 minutes long with Assange talking about the e-mails. Around 5 minutes in, Assange says in 2014, Hillary sent an e-mail to Podesta stating ISIL is funded by Saudia Arabia & Qatar governments; that it is the most significant e-mail of her batch. There is a shot of it provided briefly.

It's interesting, but I know some in here will want the e-mails leaked first before just taking Assange's word.

 

[Scaff]

No, not utterly. Agreed that my source, Obama, is a liar. He did say that voting makes you a citizen, which is a lie. And he did say elsewhere that he first learned of Hillary's illegal server issues from the media, also a lie.

I am going to ask you, very respectfully, to stop complaining about me. In return, I promise to use only acceptable sources in the future.

Yes he said voting makes you a citizen, however to actually think that he meant that you become a citizen in the legal sense simply by voting is absurd.

I would argue that it's closer to the act of voting is a part of what a citizen of the US does.

As for me complaining about you, don't give me reasons to pick apart the nonsense in your posts and sources and I will not have a reason to.

However continue to do do and I will continue to pick you up on it. If you want a blog to post whatever you want without a discussion then go and start one. Don't expect to be able to do it here.

 

[Dotini]

I think it's a figure of speech, which is what @Scaff may allude to; voting is a major part of being a US citizen, as maybe perhaps, a "duty" to your country to make yourself heard.

But, anyway, I believe this Assange's latest interview with John Pilger on RT. It is about 25 minutes long with Assange talking about the e-mails. Around 5 minutes in, Assange says in 2014, Hillary sent an e-mail to Podesta stating ISIL is funded by Saudia Arabia & Qatar governments; that it is the most significant e-mail of her batch. There is a shot of it provided briefly.

It's interesting, but I know some in here will want the e-mails leaked first before just taking Assange's word.

Is RT an acceptable source in this forum? I have been operating under the assumption it is not.

 

[Scaff]

Is RT an acceptable source in this forum? I have been operating under the assumption it is not.

Well given that it's talking about something that is pretty much accepted by everyone as fact, that Saudi and other Gulf states fund IS, I don't really think it'd needed.

They also funded AQ as well, not that it stopped either the US or UK government's (under many administrations) still dealing with them.

As for RT being a credible source, well it's not great and does have a rather big bias when it comes to the US and Russia.

 

[McLaren]

Is RT an acceptable source in this forum? I have been operating under the assumption it is not.

RT published the story, but the interview was conducted by Dartmouth Films & Pilger.

Whistleblower Julian Assange has given one of his most incendiary interviews ever in a John Pilger Special, courtesy of Dartmouth Films, in which he summarizes what can be gleaned from the tens of thousands of Clinton emails released by WikiLeaks this year.

John Pilger, another Australian émigré, conducted the 25-minute interview at the Ecuadorian Embassy, where Assange has been trapped since 2012 for fear of extradition to the US. Last month, Assange had his internet access cut off for alleged “interference” in the American presidential election through the work of his website.

RT really has no say in it, they appear to just be sharing the interview in their news as it would fit into their usual news about the US; they come across as anti-US personally, pro-Russia.

It goes beyond just the e-mails as Assange talks about Hillary's recent career, Trump, and his sour relationship with the US regarding his leaks. Full transcript below.
https://www.rt.com/news/365405-assange-pilger-full-transcript/

 

[Dotini]

Well given that it's talking about something that is pretty much accepted by everyone as fact, that Saudi and other Gulf states fund IS, I don't really think it'd needed.

They also funded AQ as well, not that it stopped either the US or UK government's (under many administrations) still dealing with them.

As for RT being a credible source, well it's not great and does have a rather big bias when it comes to the US and Russia.

What does the highlighted text mean?

I am going to proceed on the new assumption that RT is an acceptable source.Okay?

You say the Saudis funded IS and al Qaeda. They also discriminate against gays and women. Yet the Clinton Foundation accepted untold millions from them. Comment??

 

[Scaff]

What does the highlighted text mean?

I am going to proceed on the new assumption that RT is an acceptable source.Okay?

You say the Saudis funded IS and al Qaeda. They also discriminate against gays and women. Yet the Clinton Foundation accepted untold millions from them. Comment??

You can read what I said about RT in that way if you like, it's not what I said but that's never stopped you before.

As far as Saudi and anyone who deals with them , I consider it a massive issue. The difference is that I'm not so partisan as to only focus on one party and ignore the fact that both sides of the US political spectrum have long been happy to deal with Saudi.

Then again you're also happy to ignore Trump's may business dealings with the very same country, odd that.

 

[McLaren]

FBI seem to have cleared Clinton.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile...ary-clinton-male-voters-donald-trump.amp.html

Awaits the paid off, it was planned all along, liberal elite rigged it, sacrifice to Satan, etc explanations from the Trump camp (info wars reaction alone should be entertaining).

The only question I really have about this is just how quickly they finished their investigation. CNN had said that officials were unlikely to finish the investigation before the election only a week ago, with 650,000 new e-mails revealed.

I mean, Comey was going to be the real loser of this investigation, either way.

 

[Scaff]

The only question I really have about this is just how quickly they finished their investigation. CNN had said that officials were unlikely to finish the investigation before the election only a week ago, with 650,000 new e-mails revealed.

I mean, Comey was going to be the real loser of this investigation, either way.

Unless it was 650,000 email selling pills to give you a bigger tool.

However I agree that Comey is out following this, he's made a mess of it at pretty much every turn.

 

[Dotini]

As far as Saudi and anyone who deals with them , I consider it a massive issue. The difference is that I'm not so partisan as to only focus on one party and ignore the fact that both sides of the US political spectrum have long been happy to deal with Saudi.

Then again your also happy to ignore Trump's may business dealings with the very same country, odd that.

I condemn the dealings of both parties with Saudi Arabia. I condemn Trumps' dealings with Saudi Arabia. I condemn their involvement in 9/11/01. They have oil and money, so I guess it's all understandable that way. But I don't like it.

The only question I really have about this is just how quickly they finished their investigation. CNN had said that officials were unlikely to finish the investigation before the election only a week ago, with 650,000 new e-mails revealed.

I mean, Comey was going to be the real loser of this investigation, either way.

Anything that avoids a constitutional crisis is to be preferred - assuming that's what is going down here. The FBI knuckling under to Clinton and Wall Street is a tough nut to swallow. But if it's true, then it's a fait accompli and there's nobody and nothing left to stop it. Certainly not I. Would it be tin-foil to refer to this as a silent coup against the United States?

 

[Johnnypenso]

President Obama recently appeared to say undocumented people could vote without fear of consequences.

It is clearly against the law that non citizens can vote in a federal election. So is Obama being sneaky? Tricky? Treasonous?

The part that stands out for me is her calling undocumented, illegal immigrants, "citizens", and he doesn't correct her. And I thought Jimmy Carter was feckless.

 

[McLaren]

Unless it was 650,000 email selling pills to give you a bigger tool.

However I agree that Comey is out following this, he's made a mess of it at pretty much every turn.

I just find the timing odd. Comey started his investigation of the original 33,000 in late 2014 or early '15, before making his decision not to prosecute in summer of this year. I know 1 news source said only a small selection of the 650,000 would be reviewed, but the question is just how small was it to wrap this investigation up so fast? Trying to avoid starting a conspiracy here, just a curious observation in comparison between both investigations. I'm not expecting any officials to give a full run-down any time soon to explain in detail.

But yeah, I think Clinton would definitely have him resign if she wins; it's obvious Trump would as well.

 

[Milouse]

Regarding a large amount of emails you'd need to review, if you scan them with a list keywords of interest and that you get no results, which takes little to no time, you can conclude there is nothing of interest. If the search spit out a load of emails, then you need a lot of time to review them one by one.

Trying to avoid starting a conspiracy here

I'm afraid nobody can do that, fabricate a story about partial information is always possible, and the result can be fun as Samantha Bee proved a few days ago:

 

[Joey D]

Well if we bring our jobs back like he says, we should be able too.
We're nothing like Detroit but we used to have 4 car factories. 2 actually in Atlanta. Now we only have one and it's on the border of Alabama, not a big help to GA since over half the employees come over from AL.
Do I need to tell you where the factories moved? I let you guess.

The president has no control over jobs unless he forces companies to build products in the US. If any Republican president thinks that there should be an regulation on free trade, then they aren't Republican at all. Companies need to move back on their own free will or people just need to stop buying products not made in the US.

And chance are your car factories moved to either Mexico or Canada.

 

[mister dog]

Establishment wants Hillary on the throne at all costs, "rap up that investigation of yours James, or you can kiss your career goodbye".

Fact? No, plausible? certainly yes.

 

[McLaren]

The president has no control over jobs unless he forces companies to build products in the US. If any Republican president thinks that there should be an regulation on free trade, then they aren't Republican at all. Companies need to move back on their own free will or people just need to stop buying products not made in the US.

And chance are your car factories moved to either Mexico or Canada.

How would you categorize Trump by his stance on it? His idea seems to punish the manufacturers by taxing their products built outside the US, perhaps as way to "bully" them back into the US.

 

[Joey D]

How would you categorize Trump by his stance on it? His idea seems to punish the manufacturers by taxing their products built outside the US, perhaps as way to "bully" them back into the US.

I think it's a stupid stance. Taxing their products made outside the US is only going to result in companies passing on the increased cost to the consumers or looking for loopholes to skirt the tax. Companies should be allowed to build their products where they choose to, but at the same time consumers should be smart enough to realize that if they're complaining about lack of jobs then they shouldn't be buying products made outside the US. Cars are great example of this, I always think it's funny when someone complains about how jobs are leaving the US and then buys a Camaro...which is built in Canada.

If you want to be a true conservative, you need to respect the rights of a company and respect free trade. Also you need to realize taxation isn't the answer.

 

[Milouse]

Offshoring in manufacturing are just the waves of the rising sea: automation, and gain in productivity in general. Our civilization is following this path, but is failing to make it feel desirable by many people.
Universal Basic Income will come on the table ultimately, or this will end in blood. Things are slowly moving in Europe, but it will be a long road since it becomes a reality, and requires that we culturally change our relation with work as a value.

 

[killerjimbag]

The president has no control over jobs unless he forces companies to build products in the US. If any Republican president thinks that there should be an regulation on free trade, then they aren't Republican at all. Companies need to move back on their own free will or people just need to stop buying products not made in the US.

And chance are your car factories moved to either Mexico or Canada.

Joey, you do know they have been making cars in Canada since 1903.
http://www.canadiancar.technomuses.ca

 

[Joey D]

Joey, you do know they have been making cars in Canada since 1903.
http://www.canadiancar.technomuses.ca

Yes, I'm aware. I'm merely pointing out if you don't want jobs leaving the US or you complain about jobs leaving the US, you shouldn't be buying a car made anywhere other than one made on US soil.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Companies should be allowed to build their products where they choose to, but at the same time consumers should be smart enough to realize that if they're complaining about lack of jobs then they shouldn't be buying products made outside the US. Cars are great example of this, I always think it's funny when someone complains about how jobs are leaving the US and then buys a Camaro...which is built in Canada.

Unfortunately I see this all the time. But say if I mention that the Nissan Titan for example is manufactured in the US, I always get the excuse that "the money still goes back to Japan" while they completely ignore the fact that it's still employing thousands of US workers and feeding their families.

 

[killerjimbag]

Yes, I'm aware. I'm merely pointing out if you don't want jobs leaving the US or you complain about jobs leaving the US, you shouldn't be buying a car made anywhere other than one made on US soil.

Uhm Camaro's are made in Lansing Michigan. Well I guess you don't want your transmissions,gearboxes and other parts made by Linimar. Perhaps they should pull all their business out of the state's. They make Hell Cats in Brampton too. As well as 300's Chargers . Just out of curiosity,where's your phone,computer,TV,video game made?
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business

Unfortunately I see this all the time. But say if I mention that the Nissan Titan for example is manufactured in the US, I always get the excuse that "the money still goes back to Japan" while they completely ignore the fact that it's still employing thousands of US workers and feeding their families.

Yes and your Toyota Corolla's, Rav4's Lexus Rs300. All made in Cambridge and Woodstock Ontario.

 

[Milouse]

"The contrasts pervade his campaign. Aides to Mr. Trump have finally wrested away the Twitter account that he used to colorfully — and often counterproductively — savage his rivals. But offline, Mr. Trump still privately muses about all the ways he will punish his enemies after Election Day, including a threat to fund a “super PAC” with vengeance as its core mission. [...] Taking away Twitter turned out to be an essential move by his press team, which deprived him of a previously unfiltered channel for his aggressions." (source)

Dear American Friends,

Would you mind taking all necessary measures in order to prevent this man to access your Nuclear codes.

Sincerely,
Milouse

 

[Joey D]

Unfortunately I see this all the time. But say if I mention that the Nissan Titan for example is manufactured in the US, I always get the excuse that "the money still goes back to Japan" while they completely ignore the fact that it's still employing thousands of US workers and feeding their families.

I get that too, the Tacoma is made in Texas. I often tell people that Toyota builds many of the cars it sells in the US on US soil, Honda does the same thing and I'm guessing Nissan does as well. People also seem to forget (or maybe not know) that many of the Japanese companies' vehicles are North American only models.

Unfortunately growing up in Michigan I was unable to fix stupid.

Uhm Camaro's are made in Lansing Michigan. Well I guess you don't want your transmissions,gearboxes and other parts made by Linimar. Perhaps they should pull all their business out of the state's. They make He'll Cats in Brampton too. As well as 300's Chargers . Just out of curiosity,where's your phone,computer,TV,video game made?
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business

I didn't realized they had moved it to Michigan for the 6th gen, the 5th gen was built in Ontario.

I think you're confusing me with someone that actually cares where his stuff is made. I buy stuff that had the best quality to price ratio. On things I don't care about they're typically made in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc. Things I do care about are typically not made in some far away Asian socialist republic. Like my tools, probably 70% of them are all made in the US while the other 30% are things I don't really care about quality with and are from Harbor Freight.

"The contrasts pervade his campaign. Aides to Mr. Trump have finally wrested away the Twitter account that he used to colorfully — and often counterproductively — savage his rivals. But offline, Mr. Trump still privately muses about all the ways he will punish his enemies after Election Day, including a threat to fund a “super PAC” with vengeance as its core mission. [...] Taking away Twitter turned out to be an essential move by his press team, which deprived him of a previously unfiltered channel for his aggressions." (source)

Dear American Friends,

Would you mind taking all necessary measures in order to prevent this man to access your Nuclear codes.

Sincerely,
Milouse

That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. The president can't just nuke whoever he wants and there is way more to it then POTUS pushing a big red button that says "DESTROY RANDOM ISLAMIC NATION".

Is Trump rational? In public no, but the man isn't stupid, he's just saying crap like that to get votes from many of the backwards folks that live in the US that still think it's appropriate to kill anyone who isn't a white, god-fearing American.

 

[killerjimbag]

I get that too, the Tacoma is made in Texas. I often tell people that Toyota builds many of the cars it sells in the US on US soil, Honda does the same thing and I'm guessing Nissan does as well. People also seem to forget (or maybe not know) that many of the Japanese companies' vehicles are North American only models.

Unfortunately growing up in Michigan I was unable to fix stupid.



I didn't realized they had moved it to Michigan for the 6th gen, the 5th gen was built in Ontario.

I think you're confusing me with someone that actually cares where his stuff is made. I buy stuff that had the best quality to price ratio. On things I don't care about they're typically made in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc. Things I do care about are typically not made in some far away Asian socialist republic. Like my tools, probably 70% of them are all made in the US while the other 30% are things I don't really care about quality with and are from Harbor Freight.



That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. The president can't just nuke whoever he wants and there is way more to it then POTUS pushing a big red button that says "DESTROY RANDOM ISLAMIC NATION".

Is Trump rational? In public no, but the man isn't stupid, he's just saying crap like that to get votes from many of the backwards folks that live in the US that still think it's appropriate to kill anyone who isn't a white, god-fearing American.

Please tell me you don't shop at Walmart!
Well if you actually look at who your biggest trading partner is. Canada and Mexico are pretty much even on import export numbers.
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/top/top1609yr.html