[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[A2K78]

What's unprincipled about Sanders? For starters, he's called for reforms in the justice system (e.g. drug decriminalisation, just like Ron & Rand Paul), and also like the Pauls he has criticised government surveillance. He was involved in the civil rights movement in the 1960s and has been a proponent of LGBT rights since the 1970s.

What's unprincipled about Sanders? this demonstrates why Sanders is unprincipled

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-the-ron-paul-of-the-left

Ron on the other hand has always been consistent in his views....

 

[A2K78]

He's no Ron, but Trump is right on the money about America's foreign policy in the Middle East./..

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/politics/donald-trump-moammar-gadhafi-saddam-hussein

Now only if the GOP were agreeable with Trump about the Middle East then Hillary would be extremely beatable...sadly given the fact that the GOP and Hillary see eye to eye on America's disastrous foreign policy they'll have little chance of challenging her on this.

on Rand this very much sum up how the GOP ought to be on foreign policy..

http://theweek.com/articles/584212/rand-pauls-last-best-chance-run-against-hillary-hawk

 

[Swagger897]

To an extent Trump is right, however, when you begin to kill unarmed civilians and commit human war crimes, and possess* weapons of mass destruction, then your time is up. All the US did was pour some fire ant killer on a mound, which the ants responded by moving just a few feet over.

It never did anything to the region but destabilize it.
*If it were a valid report, then yes, however, it wasn't and we all should know that by now.

 

[FoolKiller]

when you begin to kill unarmed civilians and commit human war crimes, and possess* weapons of mass destruction, then your time is up.

The UN/NATO should be attacking the US at any moment.

 

[Swagger897]

i see where you're getting at that but it's not the orders from the white house... They can invade Missouri though..

 

[huskeR32]

As for Clinton, she's the most disgusting creature currently on the earth

Next time, lead off with this bit, so that I know right from the off that your post has a 0% chance of containing level-headed, objective thought.

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The only reason why I like Sanders the most is because he is wanting to switch to systems found in Europe and elsewhere around the world that actually work and have done so for the past 10 years with out major issues. Rather than come in and swipe everything away that Obama has done and start out with no idea (ehmm... Republicans), basing what has proven to work is what we need to get back to being level.

Well put. It's refreshing to have a candidate setting aside the ego-driven desire to toss new ideas about that have very little chance of succeeding. It's time for the US to admit that we've bungled a few things along the way and start to look a little more at the way other people do things. It's a huge world, full of great ideas, some of them are surely worth copying.

 

[A2K78]

I agree with both of you but @A2K78 you need to look more at what both have done within the past 5-8 years. Like, 1970's back. Both of them agreed on a wide array of issues, and both are on the outer edge of their parties agreements.


@CTznOfTime The only reason why I like Sanders the most is because he is wanting to switch to systems found in Europe and elsewhere around the world that actually work and have done so for the past 10 years with out major issues. Rather than come in and swipe everything away that Obama has done and start out with no idea (ehmm... Republicans), basing what has proven to work is what we need to get back to being level.

I could argue on many levels why Socialism is a failure, but you're telling me you believe in a system that much of the world have determined don't work? Lets not forget the root cause of Europe current economic problems...

https://mises.org/blog/mark-thornton-latest-greek-debt-deal-only-works-if-government-spending-cut

https://mises.org/blog/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-states-they-would-be-among-poorest-states

It's refreshing to have a candidate setting aside the ego-driven desire to toss new ideas about that have very little chance of succeeding. It's time for the US to admit that we've bungled a few things along the way and start to look a little more at the way other people do things.

Judging by what I'm seeing coming from both Democrat and Republicans I see nothing new other than promises to bomb and occupy more foreign countries and continually grow an unsustainable welfare state(which Americans should be prepared to be without as the cracks are showing).

Now there was a man by name of Ron Paul who tried to offer something new e.g. peace and prosperity, though like robots Americans chose to reject them in favor of individuals who are only making their lives much more worst.

 

[Swagger897]

I could argue on many levels why Socialism is a failure, but you're telling me you believe in a system that much of the world have determined don't work? Lets not forget the root cause of Europe current economic problems...

https://mises.org/blog/mark-thornton-latest-greek-debt-deal-only-works-if-government-spending-cut

https://mises.org/blog/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-states-they-would-be-among-poorest-states

Do tell where he said he'd use those plans of the Greeks and the Germans. I believe Denmark was the only one I heard...

http://www.heritage.org/index/visualize?countries=denmark|unitedstates&src=country

Try that out for kicks too...

 

[A2K78]

@huskeR42

What makes Clinton so disgusting? Remember, this is a woman who by her actions deliberately turned 2 functioning states in failed states and terrorist havens which in turn perpetuated a human tragedy now affecting Europe. To make things worst she's now calling for even more stupid military conflicts this time with Syria, Russia and Iran.

@Swagger897
That chart tells me nothing however the point is Socialism just doesn't work no matter how appealing its being made out to be. In fact world is now witnessing the utter failure of Socialism not only in Europe, but also in Cuba and China where we see strong hints of market capitalism taking hold not mention America's welfare system is starting to fall apart.

 

[huskeR32]

What makes Clinton so disgusting?

My main problem with your post wasn't the "disgusting" bit, it was that you called her a "creature."

Agree or disagree with her, her views, and what she's done; she's still a human being. Your inability to accord her even that most basic respect leaves me utterly disinterested in what you have to say.

 

[TenEightyOne]

What makes Clinton so disgusting? Remember, this is a woman who by her actions deliberately turned 2 functioning states in failed states and terrorist havens which in turn perpetuated a human tragedy now affecting Europe. To make things worst she's now calling for even more stupid military conflicts this time with Syria, Russia and Iran.

Aside from the incomprehensible splenetics... what are you trying to say? And do you think Clinton is alone in a militaristic attitude to some issues?

 

[Swagger897]

I'm sorry but what part of socialism does the US live in at all today? Or for that matter, any other part of the world other than current day communist nations?


I don't see how you are already linking Socialism to the US, when we've yet to even have a president to remotely resemble any part of it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm sorry but what part of socialism does the US live in at all today? Or for that matter, any other part of the world other than current day communist nations?


I don't see how you are already linking Socialism to the US, when we've yet to even have a president to remotely resemble any part of it.

Medicare, welfare and social assistance, food stamps etc.

Good to see the Republicans turn the table on the horrible moderators at the debate last night. I really enjoyed that

 

[Swagger897]

Medicare, welfare and social assistance, food stamps etc.

And yet you say this is socialist while Huckabee, Kasich, Cruz, and others threw their arms up in the air about congress reaching into it to develop their new budget restrictions...
And yet this is the larges Republican held congress since the '20s....

Good to see the Republicans turn the table on the horrible moderators at the debate last night. I really enjoyed that

While I did as well and thought he was a bit correct, if the candidates can't take flack from the opposite side (hell, FOX news did a better job of interrogation) about their own history, especially that of Rubio's, then why should I even vote for them?

Alongside of that, Cruz is already trying to preach to the simplest of minds that have been taken by Trump.. So I can't blame him for using his own strategy.





And oh yeah, Kasich proved Carson is an idiot... I need to find him on a meme saying "Tithing... Really?"

 

[IforceV8]

Medicare, welfare and social assistance, food stamps etc.

Dont forget those other evil liberal things like the Military,FBI,CIA,Pentagon,roads,libraries,police,fire dept,and everything else that is tax payer funded.

Dirty reds are everywhere.

 

[ukfan758]

Dont forget those other evil liberal things like the Military,FBI,CIA,Pentagon,roads,libraries,police,fire dept,and everything else that is tax payer funded.

Dirty reds are everywhere.

That commie public school system too .

 

[Darla Starch]

That commie public school system too .

What about them libraries? Only pinko liberals read books......which I'm typing as I have an encyclopedia from the library on my lap.

 

[Johnnypenso]

What about them libraries? Only pinko liberals read books......which I'm typing as I have an encyclopedia from the library on my lap.

An encyclopedia from the library? Did you make this post via your time machine?

 

[TenEightyOne]

An encyclopedia from the library? Did you make this post via your time machine?

He submits posts via telegraph, they're transcribed to copperplates to be printed onto the internets.

 

[Johnnypenso]

And yet you say this is socialist while Huckabee, Kasich, Cruz, and others threw their arms up in the air about congress reaching into it to develop their new budget restrictions...
And yet this is the larges Republican held congress since the '20s....

I don't say it's socialist, it is socialist.

And oh yeah, Kasich proved Carson is an idiot... I need to find him on a meme saying "Tithing... Really?"

This is a big part of the reason why politics is such a circus in the U.S. You can't disagree with someone without throwing a demonizing or demeaning label on them. Calling Dr. Ben Carson, the former Director or Pediatric Surgery at Johns Hopkins, and the first man to ever successfully separate conjoined twins, an idiot, is ludicrous.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Just because he is good at surgery dosent mean he is a smart man.

 

[Swagger897]

Tithing...


Do honestly expect us to go four months with that in place?



Better yet, a three page tax code? Yeah, okay.. Tomorrow I wake up in a Bugatti then.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Just because he is good at surgery dosent mean he is a smart man.

Source required. You CAN'T be the first to pull off the separation of conjoined twins and not have some intelligence. Granted, he may not have any military experience, but the last two Democrat presidents didn't have any either, and look at how the media is treating them.

 

[Swagger897]

Source required. You CAN'T be the first to pull off the separation of conjoined twins and not have some intelligence. Granted, he may not have any military experience, but the last two Democrat presidents didn't have any either, and look at how the media is treating them.

So you must really hold the Air National Guard as highly respected the Army, Marines, Navy, or the Air Force themselves...

But that's not the point, nor the one we are trying to get at...


The idea, is not smart. If what he said the first time is actually going to be what he stands by the next several times he gets asked this, then there would be no repercussion for not, essentially donating, to keep the country afloat.

 

[Sanji Himura]

So you must really hold the Air National Guard as highly respected the Army, Marines, Navy, or the Air Force themselves...

Didn't say that I do. The point was Bill Clinton and Barack Obama wasn't in ANY military branch, and they are widely regarded by the media as two of the greatest presidents in American History. Heck, most of the democratic field doesn't have military experience (Source. Admittedly, that article was from May.) Am I saying that the experience is necessary? No. While Barack made his own success as a law professor, Bill's accomplishments while in office was a lot more substantial as he is largely credited with balancing the Federal budget in the late 90's (With a Republican controlled Congress).

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just because he is good at surgery dosent mean he is a smart man.

Do you know any idiots that separate conjoined twins?

The idea, is not smart. If what he said the first time is actually going to be what he stands by the next several times he gets asked this, then there would be no repercussion for not, essentially donating, to keep the country afloat.

For having a bad idea, in your opinion, you called him an idiot. You don't want to rethink that?

 

[Swagger897]

and they are widely regarded by the media as two of the greatest presidents in American History.

According to who? I don't have anything against them, but I'm gonna need a source on that quote...

Heck, most of the democratic field doesn't have military experience (Source. Admittedly, that article was from May.)

Nor do the republicans either.

The problem with people nowadays linking presidents to their service record (believe it or not, this is how I used to think a long time ago, now I've seen the true point) is they are totally oblivious to history and the true size of WWII. The draft was placed to put as many forces as needed to stop what was proposed as evil on both ends of the oceans, and it worked.

Propaganda today, does not work... or maybe at least for good purposes. The men who went to war, were not war mongering people, but they were forced to do so, asked upon by their country, and they took their word that they would uphold the freedoms that we are allowed then and now.

Republicans have been notoriously known for being warhawks (does not need a source, do your own research looking at republican presidents for war, and democrats against), and wanting to start conflicts. There is no peace in their eyes, only that they have their solutions met because they think it is the best.

Now, that doesn't go for all, but for a vast majority of what has happened in the past could prove that to be true to extent...

For having a bad idea, in your opinion, you called him an idiot. You don't want to rethink that?

Nope... he and Trump are both idiots. Idiots in their own respective categories may I say. It is a bad idea, however, that he believes I will honestly pay tithes to support the country. As a college student, you can be damn sure I will get by with doing the least amount I can to pay the government for screwing me over in the first place with student loans and how public education has been run for the past 16 years.

And maybe I don't believe in god, nor in the tithing system either, so why should I have to do something when it's not mandatory? Otherwise, his plan wouldn't be labeled tithing, but an actual TAX.

Trump on the other hand... Not being PC is one thing. Not being PC and being an ass towards every question thrown at him is another...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Nope... he and Trump are both idiots. Idiots in their own respective categories may I say. It is a bad idea, however, that he believes I will honestly pay tithes to support the country. As a college student, you can be damn sure I will get by with doing the least amount I can to pay the government for screwing me over in the first place with student loans and how public education has been run for the past 16 years.

And maybe I don't believe in god, nor in the tithing system either, so why should I have to do something when it's not mandatory? Otherwise, his plan wouldn't be labeled tithing, but an actual TAX.

Trump on the other hand... Not being PC is one thing. Not being PC and being an ass towards every question thrown at him is another...

So Dr. Ben Carson, aka "The Idiot", proposed a voluntary flat tax system? Do you have a link to this information? Which government forced you into a post-secondary education and forced you to borrow money to fund it?

 

[Swagger897]

This may or may not suite your needs.... But it's how I view it.

I want to be as much as a secular person I want to be. That's my choosing.

And as far as schooling.... Well let me ask you this: How many commercial pilots do you know that under the new legislation congress put out earned all their flight hours without some sort of degree?

And so far... I've borrowed none. It's the fact that the rates of which they are set is ridiculous, just as home mortgage rates were a while back.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Republicans have been notoriously known for being warhawks (does not need a source, do your own research looking at republican presidents for war, and democrats against), and wanting to start conflicts. There is no peace in their eyes, only that they have their solutions met because they think it is the best.

So you make a generalization based on years of media propaganda and state that as fact? Sorry, it really doesn't fly. As someone who can actually look at a map, the only real reason why we went into Iraq in the first place (Bush calling it a part of the "Axis of Evil" is true BS as Saddam never really sponsored terrorism) was to keep Iran in check. That whole brouhaha about Iran's revolution early into Obama's term would have been our "Justification" for our troops to go in and take the theocratic government out. Basically, the Arab Spring would have started in Iran had our current president had any guts to keep our troops at the levels that they were in 2008. What happened instead was the emergence of ISIS and threatening our closest ally in the region with extinction.

The ONLY reason why any of the Republican candidates are supporting a war With ISIS, I should specify, is because they are a VERY large threat to Europe and the Western way of life. Leaving ISIS alone is nothing but trouble in the long run.