[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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So is this reputable at all or no?
Or this?

Or is this Moreno guy just a nut case?

Also, the AI (Amnesty Int'l) said at first it's false, yet responds back later it's not?
Protestors killed
PDF of AI report
Let's be fair here. I haven't heard of any of those reports coming out at the time the US (actually NATO) struck Libya. The only reason why I said what I said in that comment was because of my lack of understanding about the situation. I echo the sentiment that I posted in the ISIS thread:

If war crimes, true war crimes mind you, are committed, obviously go after them, but don't go and stir up the pot and get the leaders to react the way that you want them to (supressing a rebellion) and then claim war crimes to protect the actual criminals here.
 
The only reason why I said what I said in that comment was because of my lack of understanding about the situation.
Same here all I knew what was happening was a man running away from drones and trying to dodge missiles...

Only after reading those reports, strikes a similar appearance to what happened in Iraq in 2003, when we thought there were chemical weapons, only after going there we then saw there was no such evidence...


It wasn't a personal attack, I just assumed that you were more knowledgeable.
 
Same here all I knew what was happening was a man running away from drones and trying to dodge missiles...

Only after reading those reports, strikes a similar appearance to what happened in Iraq in 2003, when we thought there were chemical weapons, only after going there we then saw there was no such evidence...

It wasn't a personal attack, I just assumed that you were more knowledgeable.
Thousands of chemical weapons were found in Iraq after the 2003 invasion, that is a fact. What was not found was evidence of a then current chemical weapons program, the weapons found were left over from the Iran/Iraq War.
 
Excellent, facts are always easy to Source Required :D

I thought it was handfuls of a few weapon types, at least according to the reports of Blix and Ritter?

EDIT: Far fewer are reported in this preliminary CIA report of 2007?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.
 

So of the 4,991 fifteen-year-old munitions there's no mention of how many were actually filled, no mention of viability of the filled ones... and given the rest of the report it's fair to assume that none were viable - these things have a very short shelf life.

That leaves 27 viable pieces of chemical ammunition, amiright?

Where are the weapons of mass destruction then?

When NYT says...

NTY
In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

...the only source they can actually quote says something very different. Chemical-capable isn't the same as full-on 'chemical' and, at at least fifteen-to-twenty years old any pre GS1991 weapon only represents a risk in recovery and disposal, not in deployment.
 
@TenEightyOne

Why are we arguing about this? Chemical weapons were found in Iraq. Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people, so it is guaranteed. Also, chemical weapons were not particularly material to the justification for the war (GWII). So there's a report that says 5,000 chemical warheads, now you know where he got the number from. Let's move on.
 
@TenEightyOne

Why are we arguing about this? Chemical weapons were found in Iraq. Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people, so it is guaranteed. Also, chemical weapons were not particularly material to the justification for the war (GWII). So there's a report that says 5,000 chemical warheads, now you know where he got the number from. Let's move on.

My point was that there isn't apart from one speculative news piece. The number is 27. Moving on :D
 
Here is more on what happens when you start pulling on loose strings.
http://www.wsj.com/article_email/be...uestions-1446861864-lMyQjAxMTI1NTAxNzgwMTcxWj

I knew that was going to come up today. The WSJ article originated from Politico, which basically admitted to journalistic dishonesty (To Dan Rather levels) by making stealth edits to their article.

Here is the extent of Ben Carson's military experience:

1. He was in the ROTC at his high school, one of the top students there in fact.
2. He was personally courted by General Westmoreland to pursue a career in the Army at West Point. How ultimately Carson took this was a "Free Scholarship", despite the fact that admission to West Point is free for anybody who ultimately goes into the army after graduation as a 2nd Lt.
3. Carson never even applied to West Point, choosing instead to go into medicine.

So you can see why he is a little mad at the fact that Politico smeared him.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/06...ting-a-hit-piece-on-ben-carson/#disqus_thread
 
I knew that was going to come up today. The WSJ article originated from Politico, which basically admitted to journalistic dishonesty (To Dan Rather levels) by making stealth edits to their article.

Here is the extent of Ben Carson's military experience:

1. He was in the ROTC at his high school, one of the top students there in fact.
2. He was personally courted by General Westmoreland to pursue a career in the Army at West Point. How ultimately Carson took this was a "Free Scholarship", despite the fact that admission to West Point is free for anybody who ultimately goes into the army after graduation as a 2nd Lt.
3. Carson never even applied to West Point, choosing instead to go into medicine.

So you can see why he is a little mad at the fact that Politico smeared him.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/06...ting-a-hit-piece-on-ben-carson/#disqus_thread
The ultimate irony is that you have a guy saying he almost stabbed a relative of his when he was a kid, tried to attack his mother with a hammer, busted up a kids face with a rock and the left is not out to prove he did those things and he's a bad guy, but rather out to prove he didn't do any of those things so they can call him a liar:lol:. A further irony would be that if he hadn't admitted those things in his book, they would have been trying to dig up someone from his childhood to say that he did do those things and that makes him not qualified to be president. Too bad the left wing media doesn't do this kind of vetting on any of their candidates.
 
I knew that was going to come up today. The WSJ article originated from Politico, which basically admitted to journalistic dishonesty (To Dan Rather levels) by making stealth edits to their article.

Here is the extent of Ben Carson's military experience:

It's true, is it not, that there's no evidence of a "scolarship" (Carson's words) being offered to him? He had de facto access to the military programme based on his enrolment, that's definitely true. His mis-writing and mis-speaking on the subject is at best an over-egged pudding and at worst a good old-fashioned lie.

There's also a story he tells that culminates in him being photographed and reported on in the Yale journal... but there's no photograph or article on record and no record that the course he names existed. The Yale librarian says plainly that no such course has ever existed there.

He describes an incident where (on an admittedly hugely volatile campus in 1969) he locked white students in a lab to which he held keys in order to protect them. No primary corroborative source for this has, to date, been produced.

Carson talks about an incident where he was held up at gunpoint in a Popeye's restaurant (whatever the hell that is) where he demonstrated coolness and bravery by telling the gunman to go for the guy behind the counter. Baltimore police have no records of any such incident.

His campaign manager says that there's no evidence that Carson's stories are untrue. Seemingly that evidence is in fact mounting. If they were true and primary sources existed then his campaign manager (who seems to be fielding most of the flat rebuttals) would have produced them by now, surely?

The thing about the stealth-edits that you mention is that, from a personal point of view, I only have your word for it. What stands in the public eye are Carson's words and the rebuttals of other people who were there in the times and places that his stories are set. There should equally be corroborating sources, they seem to be stealthiest of all right now.

The ultimate irony is that you have a guy saying he almost stabbed a relative of his when he was a kid, tried to attack his mother with a hammer, busted up a kids face with a rock and the left is not out to prove he did those things and he's a bad guy, but rather out to prove he didn't do any of those things so they can call him a liar:lol:. A further irony would be that if he hadn't admitted those things in his book, they would have been trying to dig up someone from his childhood to say that he did do those things and that makes him not qualified to be president. Too bad the left wing media doesn't do this kind of vetting on any of their candidates.

Until you went right-ist I was kind-of agreeing :D

Thing is... whatever he's lying about... if he's a liar he's a liar. That's an important fact in a Presidential campaign. You could argue that all politicians are liars, of course, but if your whole back-story coming into the nominations is questionable that's a different matter.
 
Until you went right-ist I was kind-of agreeing :D

Thing is... whatever he's lying about... if he's a liar he's a liar. That's an important fact in a Presidential campaign. You could argue that all politicians are liars, of course, but if your whole back-story coming into the nominations is questionable that's a different matter.
Dig hard enough and you can find dirt on anyone, there are no saints in this world. If the left wing media dug this hard on their own candidates, there would be no one left to run for President.
 
Dig hard enough and you can find dirt on anyone, there are no saints in this world. If the left wing media dug this hard on their own candidates, there would be no one left to run for President.

As far as I'm aware there are no left-wing parties fielding candidates? Even if there are the race will end up with the middle-ground Democrats and right-wing Republicans.
 
Dig hard enough and you can find dirt on anyone, there are no saints in this world. If the left wing media dug this hard on their own candidates, there would be no one left to run for President.
By dig you mean read his books,watch the movie,or listen to him lie in every interview digging.
 
By dig you mean read his books,watch the movie,or listen to him lie in every interview digging.

I tend to agree - it's hardly 'digging' to ask "is the stuff in your books actually true?". In fact it simply seems to be an obvious starting point.
 
As far as I'm aware there are no left-wing parties fielding candidates? Even if there are the race will end up with the middle-ground Democrats and right-wing Republicans.

Are you sure? There's plenty of third parties out there in the USA. Granted, they haven't a snowball's chance on Venus of getting elected when up against the Dems and the GOP.
 
If the left wing media keeps digging hard enough they might find he cheated at tiddlywinks when he was 9:lol:

Don't you mean that they might find that he didn't cheat at tiddlywinks when he was 9?

Meanwhile, here's a picture of Ben Carson and Jesus.... (or is it Billy Ocean and Ted Nugent?)


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http://www.mediaite.com/online/form...-carson-told-the-truth-about-fake-psych-exam/

http://www.mediaite.com/online/burd...mation-from-carsons-mom-on-stabbing-incident/

Couple of confirmations on Ben Carson's stabbing incident and the "fake" psych exam. If the left wing media keeps digging hard enough they might find he cheated at tiddlywinks when he was 9:lol:
It's rather sad that they're making such a big deal about Carson's (alleged) falsehoods, lies and exaggerations and not saying a word about the whoppers of Hillary "dodging sniper fire" Clinton.
 
It's rather sad that they're making such a big deal about Carson's (alleged) falsehoods, lies and exaggerations and not saying a word about the whoppers of Hillary "dodging sniper fire" Clinton.

I guess those antics are still in the frame, but this is new dirt :D
 
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