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That woman, Miss Lewinsky, said something about Bill and a whopper as I recall...
Should have kept her mouth shut etc. etc.
[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016
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Should have kept her mouth shut etc. etc.
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Well rand was here in my town the other day close to where I live, saw him speak abit.... really surprised he's been blown out of the water in the race but I suppose in the USA people replaced Rand's social positions with Trump who in a lot of ways is much more socially liberal than Rand is!! ....combined with what Americans want in foreign policy which is interventionism on ISIS, that's how Americans have been since the end of WWII really, very very much intervening in others affairs big time. Changing that interventionism is gonna be tough, there's a lot of powerful people that believe in it. I'm not even sure I completely oppose US involvement outside North America, of course the founding fathers did not want the states to involve themselves in war at all unless absolutely necessary, WW1 a good example of US just ignoring what's going on being "traditional." We had armistice day after that and of course today is the day...
I think its an open secret that Trump is not a superficial bible scripted, pray in town hall conservative. He kind of half halfheartedly says he's all for the bible, lol.
I think its an open secret that Trump is not a superficial bible scripted, pray in town hall conservative. He kind of half halfheartedly says he's all for the bible, lol.
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I thought Rand did really good for what time he got last night during the debate too. Pretty funny how he extended the conversation of PPT after calling out Trump with the Moderator. Maria seemed like she even put her hand on his leg to say "that's enough"..
It's just sad, like everyone else says, when Trump gets asked any specifics of his plan, he always goes to "My Team".
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Rand definitely showed up for the debate. I agree with him on foreign policy but his domestic policy is just so bad I don't see how he could ever win. A flat tax wouldn't work, and letting people discriminate in the hopes the market will stop them is a fools errand. I know people hate regulation but it's not exactly something we shouldn't do.
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A flat tax is about the only idea almost all Republicans have..
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+1
It's funny how we have a department of defense yet seem to always be the ones wanting to score the touchdowns...
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Last weekend was also memorable, as Kevin Swanson, the crazy guy that thought the movie "frozen" was gay propaganda (I haven't see it so I dont know about it) was in with Ted Cruz, Huckabee, Jindal at what was supposed to be a conference dealing with people being sued by gay couples over (flowers, cake, etc.) Anyways, it didn't go as planned. I'm not sure if it was meant as satire as a Trump, Saturday night live parody or not. 
It was posted on You tube in full but it was take down right away, I'm assuming Cruz's campaign were able to get it off although its still the internet in bits and pieces. I'm still not sure if it was meant as satire or was serious
It was posted on You tube in full but it was take down right away, I'm assuming Cruz's campaign were able to get it off although its still the internet in bits and pieces. I'm still not sure if it was meant as satire or was serious
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I have the belief that just because something is smart or a good idea it doesn't mean the government should be the one doing it or making it happen. Let us be grown ups and quit using force to make people appease your sense of morality. You can't force people to think and believe in your view of the world at gun point. It only lasts until they get the gun, when they try to force you to live the way they want.
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...because?
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I think he means at the percentage that republicans have chosen (for the most part, those who have chosen except for Rand I think, they've gone with 10%) not just the concept.
It could work, but it would have to be higher than the current average of the variable tax we have now in each bracket.
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Well... no... for a number of reasons, but perhaps I misunderstand you.
In theory, a flat tax could be a weighted average of the tax brackets (weighted by population). It wouldn't need to be an increase in every bracket, but it would be an increase in the lowest ones. Perhaps that's what you meant though.
But there's another factor - which is deductions. The flat tax is generally linked with a removal of all deductions. This wold mean a much larger tax basis on which to collect. Currently you could increase every bracket's tax rate to 99%, and it would only affect about half of Americans. That's because half of Americans don't pay any tax at all (or receive negative tax) due to deductions. So it doesn't matter what that portion of the country's tax rate is, they still pay zero. Getting rid of deductions means that everyone pays tax... roughly twice as many people would pay tax as compared to the number that currently do, and that's a major factor in determining the rate.
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So your answer is to let racists be racists and KKK supporters run amok.
Who would a flat tax help? The rich. Who does it hurt? The poor. Suh ideas are relegated to the most selfish people who think the poor should die in a corner while they continue their existence doing nothing for the country as a whole.
Help the poor and the country does better. A rising tide raises all ships.
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As long as they aren't violating the law, yes. What do you want to do, legislate their thoughts into illegality?
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We aren't talking thoughts we are talking actions. Civil rights end when you are offending someone else's. A violation of civil rights does not include making someone interact with the blacks or gays.
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Why do we need laws for that?
Exactly. Running around shouting how terrible X people are is a right. So is refusing to assist people who run around insisting that humans are less than human.
What do you think played a bigger role in equal rights, the laws or people beginning to think respect should not be derived from something like skin color.
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You have a civil right not to be offended and that supersedes my civil rights? When was this legislation passed?
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I'm arguing against Rand Pauls position of not keeping the discrimination laws for the private sector. Like I originally said before you two tried to derail the topic was the government needs to regulate. There is no way around it.
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I disagree. There is no need for the government to try and regulate how society works. It can be done without government intervention. In fact the laws that the government uses to try and regulate depend in part on the consent of the people. If people disagree with law, law is useless.
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The basic problem with any democracy is the national citizenry and the voters. If they feel lied to, ignored, and abused by unemployment/underemployment, they are going to mount a populist prairie fire and throw the corrupt internationalist bums out of office.
“You have a lot of people who were told that if we got a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate, then life was gonna be great,” she said in an interview Thursday. “What you’re seeing is that people are angry. Where’s the change? Why aren’t there bills on the president’s desk every day for him to veto? They’re saying, ‘Look, what you said would happen didn’t happen, so we’re going to go with anyone who hasn’t been elected.’ ” - South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html
“You have a lot of people who were told that if we got a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate, then life was gonna be great,” she said in an interview Thursday. “What you’re seeing is that people are angry. Where’s the change? Why aren’t there bills on the president’s desk every day for him to veto? They’re saying, ‘Look, what you said would happen didn’t happen, so we’re going to go with anyone who hasn’t been elected.’ ” - South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html
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There are other avenues to approach this and all other "problems", you just turned off your GPS and are heading down an endless one way street.
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If y dig deeper into their plans you will find that a few, including Rand's, also include a VAT. THAT makes it a horrible plan in my mind.
Crazy thing about free speech and free association. It works both ways, not just the way you want it to.
But to bring it back to my point about giving government power is risking it being used against you, I know of a county where the sherif was a former KKK grand dragon.
Not when you are just pumping the water from the top to the bottom.
Government cannot give anything that it didn't first take from others.
Refusing an action is a violation, but forcing an action is not?
And offending someone violates no rights. That works in kindergarten, but not in the real world with mature, free thinking adults.
So, you believe someone should be forced to use their labor for the benefit of someone else against their will?
Where have I heard this before?
I hate to tell you, but no one has the right to services I perform by my own labor without my consent. My body, my energy, my property, my time. You are demanding I give those things to someone else when I might not want to or go starve in the streets.
See, business is not just one guy walking in and saying, "I have $10. Do this job for me and I will give it to you." No, it is an agreement between two or more parties. An agreement. Neither party has to agree to anything. To suggest otherwise is not freedom.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ckstory-in-marathon-iowa-speech/?intcmp=hpbt1
Got a feeling this is a big turning point for Trump...and not in the right direction
Got a feeling this is a big turning point for Trump...and not in the right direction
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I sincerely think that DT can say/criticize anyone he wants and when the most people expect a backlash, he will be praised instead for "speaking his mind" and not being politically correct.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ckstory-in-marathon-iowa-speech/?intcmp=hpbt1
Got a feeling this is a big turning point for Trump...and not in the right direction
EDIT: Wrong quote before
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I feel like you guys are arguing for discrimination based on religion, sex, or race. You can refuse work to someone but not because of those things. If it takes government regulation to rid the world of ignorance then all be it. You guys will never get the kind of society you want unless there is a major disaster or war that destroys the governments of the world. Seriously, there will always be government regulation and deregulation is just another way of saying, destroy the environment, exploit our people so a handful of us can have it all! Without regulation half the United States would be a polluted wasteland by now. Look at the smog in China as just one example.
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I dont believe in discrimination or "mass surveillance" and I dont think Donald Trump does, what he'd probably love to do is deport foreign born muslims and this is something that would make some common sense atleast. It cant be discrimination if your not legal, if you are not American. If you are American and join ISIS, you are guilty of treason, in my humble opinion.
I personally do not believe in religious freedom, I think religion should be limited and regulated like in China, although I dont believe in communism or dictatorship either. I believe in a democracy where religion is limited, but not eliminated. A controlled, monitored level of religion. Christianity needs limits too, not just Islam.
The televangelists, the extremist crucifix held up like a pitchfork types, shut up or go to prison. No I would not execute or "exterminate" religious groups. That's obviously wrong.
I personally do not believe in religious freedom, I think religion should be limited and regulated like in China, although I dont believe in communism or dictatorship either. I believe in a democracy where religion is limited, but not eliminated. A controlled, monitored level of religion. Christianity needs limits too, not just Islam.
The televangelists, the extremist crucifix held up like a pitchfork types, shut up or go to prison. No I would not execute or "exterminate" religious groups. That's obviously wrong.
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Compulsively and with some regularity, Americans undergo a spasm of fundamental religiosity. There are many instances of this well documented in American history. Religious revivalism is in our DNA. Trying to remove it is perilous, particularly at this present moment.
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