[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016
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Wait...people aren't allowed to make decisions that are best for themselves? Self-determination? Personal responsibility? Personal greed is not good?
Sounds awfully communist and tyrannical to me.
That can be solved by not employing them for lack of verification and paying them "under the table" (i.e. for cash and without tax records for employees and employers).
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Not according to the PISA rankings. America is falling further and further behind in literacy, numeracy and the sciences. Part of this is explained by the rise of Asian education systems, but America is falling further and faster than other Western countries (some of which are actually pretty stable, like Finland), and it's not explained by the rise of Asia alone.
All of that aside, Trump's education policy is to move away from core content and give states greater freedom in setting individual curriculum. While this might work in smaller countries, trying to co-ordinate across fifty states will be very difficult. There's going to be a greater reliance on standardised testing, which is counter-productive to achieving student outcomes; alternatively, there's a real risk that students won't have access to tertiary education simply because their secondary education isn't sufficient, which will prompt tertiary institutions to lower their entry criteria.
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Making kids sit down, behave and having respect for your teacher does not make that the education is really bad. I am a "Pole" and I the education was really harsh/hard in grade school in Poland. You learn to write cursive from the very begging and you learn very hard mathematic that kids in Sweden start to learn in highschool, but then it is reversed and then when it is higher education Sweden actually catches up and surpasses Poland.
Because a Universety is highly prestigious does not mean it have better education then a lesser school, they both must meet same criteria or the education is non valid. If the students fail a test/course there is next semester/course to try it again. No rush. And you should look how many Europeans are working in USA, so by your viewpoint it must mean that the american companies want to hire second or third tier employees because the first rate ones ie the American ones wanted to work as window cleaners
heheBut anyway, I do not say that american higher education is bad, only that it costs money and that few have afford with it even though it is an investment. But grade school is probably way better in Russia if they have similar system as in Poland.
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Trump is in the unique position of not being beholden to any party. Trump has made it clear that his party is the people and when he doesn't get the cooperation of the Republicans or Democrats he only needs to go to the people and sway public opinion in his favour. Unlike every other President in my lifetime, he doesn't need to play partisan politics either. He can favour both conserative and liberal positions and has show in the past that that is the case. He has tools in his arsenal no other President has. The green light to be politically incorrect if need be, to say and do things to achieve an end that no other President could say. My great hope is that he takes this surge of popular support and lays to rest some of the burning social issues of the day, once and for all, or at least for 8 years. If he supports same sex marriage, for example, and I think he will, it pretty much deflates any Republican initiatives in that regard before they get started. These niggling little social issues are a distraction to the real work that must be done over the next few years. Nose to the grindstone, get your boots dirty, work, with no time to waste talking about who is kissing whom or which receptacle your plug is going in to.
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Uh considering he did says multiple groups I guess. You're not going to get me to agree with you that he isn't wrong, especially for people like me that have seen it first hand living on a border town. You're leap to the extreme that this is racist to call out the illegal immigration of people and the funnel of violence that just encroaches more illegal acts by some, not all isn't racist. It's a reality. Also what does it makes those who have been deported ever so increasingly since the Bush era to even the Obama era...are those two admins racist as well. All that's been called in a extreme and blunt manner is for complete control of immigration as a national security measure. That is what Trump said, you clearly didn't see the entire speech.
I don't get how any talk about controlling who comes into this nation or any other nation is grounds for racism because of national security fears. Also it's funny who likes your post, but also likes a certain atheist, doesn't realize Hitchens would have probably stood for Trump to some degree politically as he stood for Bush the second. Also Trump's talk about Islam doesn't fall vastly far from Harris's talk about Islamic workings. There is a great difference of saying all Muslim's are bad to what he seems to say as wanting to once again control over who comes here. Because the culture is allowing a problem to manifest based on theocracy, and that theocracy then devolves further into radical thinking. Now I would love to talk more on my thoughts of Islam, but do so in the appropriate thread.
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You are entirely missing the point here. What I am talking about is the (racist) language that Trump chose to use. It is identical to the kinds of despicable things said about LEGAL immigrants in the past. And ... most of the present day illegal immigrants would be happy for the opportunity to work in the US legally, get paid legally, pay taxes, assimilate & become part of the United States ... just like immigrants in the past. The vast majority of them are not rapists, or murderers, or drug dealers, but poor people looking to improve their lives ... just like immigrants in the past.
It's perfectly possible to be concerned about the issue of illegal immigration without demonizing & degrading the people, but Trump - a person who has never had to face economic hardship himself - chose to use insulting, racist language instead. That's the kind of person he is.
@LMSCorvetteGT2 Corvette - see above. And no - Hitchens would have despised Trump absolutely, completely.
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I highlighted the only valid part of your post.
They are illegal - they are ALL criminals. Some worse than others, but the moment they crawled over the border they became criminals and shoudl be either put in jail or deported.
Game over.
All the rest of your points are voided by their illegal status.
What a lot of tripe.
I immigrated to the USA during Hillary Clinton's Presidential Term (while Bill was off defending his sexscapades in the Whitehouse) and during those years I was specifically and legally PREVENTED from collecting benefits BECAUSE I was a in immigrant.
Shock - gasp - horror ... the immigration process used to require you to provide a sponsor that accepted legal and financial responsibility for you since you could not collect welfare benefits.
It is simply common freaking sense and good governance to not let immigrants stream in and overload th ewelfare system.
The communist/tyrannical comment is stupid to the core.
No - it is better to not even allow illegal border jumpers to stay.
You want in? Do it the legal way.
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I live in Canada,can't say anything for the US. My son went to a college to be a Millwright. My daughter is enrolled at Western University for Psychology.There are 1000's of students from around the world that attend Western. In my home town of Guelph there are 1000's who attend here too. Why? The education system is better in most North American institutions. There is an old saying,you can't teach stupid.Making kids sit down, behave and having respect for your teacher does not make that the education is really bad. You know I am a "Pole" and I know that the education was really harsh/hard in grade school in Poland. You learn to write cursive from the very begging and you learn very hard mathematic that kids in Sweden start to learn in highschool, but then it is reversed and then when it is higher education Sweden actually catches up and surpasses Poland.
Because a Universety is highly prestigious does not mean it have better education then a lesser school, they both must meet same criteria or the education is non valid. If the students fail a test/course there is next semester/course to try it again. No rush. And you should look how many Europeans are working in USA, so by your viewpoint it must mean that the american companies want to hire second or third tier employees because the first rate ones ie the American ones wanted to work as window cleaners
But anyway, I do not say that american higher education is bad, only that it costs money and that few have afford with it even though it is an investment. But grade school is probably way better in Russia if they have similar system as in Poland.
As expected the ever so tolerant left have descended upon Trump Tower chanting in support of the terrorist group Black Lives Matter whilst seething out various verbal threats and insults as a form of peaceful protest. Democracy is democracy until you lose, and as for that Mexican flag...
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-big-anti-trump-protests-break-out-across-the-country/As expected the ever so tolerant left have descended upon Trump Tower chanting in support of the terrorist group Black Lives Matter whilst seething out various verbal threats and insults as a form of peaceful protest. Democracy is democracy until you lose, and as for that Mexican flag...
Sore losers. They picked Hillary,carefull what you wish for. Watching CNN in LA. Ok these idiots,if your family is in the country (illegally)
they have no citizenship. You broke the law,suffer the consequences of your actions.
There are people who are legally trying to get into the country,doing it the proper way. I don't see people protesting for them.
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My bad, I was not inclusive enough for you.
I only mentioned those that crawl UNDER the fence. I missed the folks that swim ACROSS the river, jump OVER the fence and hide IN the boot of the car driven by the coyotes.
Although I am glad you agree with me that ALL of them are criminals, considering they are breaking the law by illegally entering the country.
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According to Sam Harris who knew him better than any of us here, there is no doubt that Hitchens would have voted against Trump. Above all, these persons, along with other atheist figures, place truth seeking and analytic approaches over emotional, short sighted ones. Trump is the negation of these values, without speaking of his running mate, a creationist.
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I've gotten hundreds of downvotes on Reddit - over 50 of them from college students - and flak from people of all ages in person because I voted for the Libertarian party.
I am surrounded by so much disagreeableness that I'm starting to think I'm the problem. Am I the problem? Is libertarianism the problem? Is my logic wrong? Or are there really that many hateful and moronic people in this country?
If these are the kinds of people who are going to be voting for the next 60+ years, well guys...we're screwed.
I am surrounded by so much disagreeableness that I'm starting to think I'm the problem. Am I the problem? Is libertarianism the problem? Is my logic wrong? Or are there really that many hateful and moronic people in this country?
If these are the kinds of people who are going to be voting for the next 60+ years, well guys...we're screwed.
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Well this idiot hate baiting isn't helping anything.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.yah...ash-against-a-changing-country-074323524.html
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It's the first time since 2000 that a candidate's won the popular vote but lost the election, I think?
What seems strange today is that Trump's victory is being called "anti-elite"... if a lobbying billionaire businessman isn't the elite then who the bloody hell is?
What seems strange today is that Trump's victory is being called "anti-elite"... if a lobbying billionaire businessman isn't the elite then who the bloody hell is?
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Ah, you beloved left wingers. Love trumps hate amiright? Unless you lose the election and then it's smashing windows, spray painting graffiti, profanity laced chants. I'm sure it won't be long before the fighting starts, maybe a few fires for good measure. Tolerance on display.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/protests-break-out-in-nyc-over-president-elect-trump/
http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/protests-break-out-in-nyc-over-president-elect-trump/
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He's not anti-elite per se, but anti-establishment politics. He's not a political insider or career politician. People feel so strongly that his outsiderness will bring change that they'll vote for him despite his being a quasi-fascist egomaniac.
"I am not happy, I have no words, I don’t know I am so upset."
That's a quote from the article. That's why these people can't be taken seriously, because instead of sitting down and thinking through this problem logically, their first reaction is to get so upset that they form a ****ing mob and march through Manhattan streets. That's how irrational some Americans are. No matter their level of education, they're just plain crazy.
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And you don't wonder how you got banned temporarily from our site?
What about my ancestors that boarded a ship? Or is that only okay if they came with a land grant signed by a Lord or Crowned Person of Peerage?
Jeebus, get over yourself already: Not everyone gets a visa signed and secured with thousands of dollars in backing for the dodgy immigration system, which nobody on either side of the aisle has done anything about in decades.
Yawn.
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They have in common that they are about Islam, that's pretty much all.
Harris view is that the Islam that some labels "Religion of Peace" is based on the same scriptures than those fighting for Isis, and that the problem is not only who read them, but what is written. He put a share of responsibility on Islam as a whole. It's about ideology.
Trump idea is to trash the M&M's delivery truck because one nut could be rotten: if a group of people may contain some potentially criminal persons (which is true for any adult group, btw), then the whole group should be rejected.
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I did not violate any TOS, so why the personal attack?
Again, I am making a clear distinction between legal, organized and welcome immigration (both mass and individual) and blatant illegal entry in violation of law.
Every counrty has laws that manage legal immigration and scoop up and punish/deport illegal entrants. This is simple sovereign common sense.
Interesting - do you have this angry disposition towards all immigrants or only those that gave up everything and followed the legal process to enter the country?
I worked double shifts in a factory to pay back the folks that sponsored my immigration to the USA. I arrived with a few hundred collars in travelers cheques in my pocket. It took time and effort and money I made here as a legal resident alien to complete the process.
And all the while I was not permitted to collect benefits. I did not come here for a free ride - I came with respect for the laws of the land and LEGALLY made use of the opportunity immigration offered.
What is your objection to a managed legal process to over see immigration?
And while you are at it, please list the nations that do not have managed immigration control system in place.
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I've realized that being a libertarian in America is basically the same as being a Cleveland Browns fan.
It just sucks. Every weekend. I'm not even a fan but I have to imagine it feels like this. Whatever you do, don't be a Cleveland Browns fan. You're gonna have a bad time.
It just sucks. Every weekend. I'm not even a fan but I have to imagine it feels like this. Whatever you do, don't be a Cleveland Browns fan. You're gonna have a bad time.
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That's funny - I haven't seen any government recognise the BLM movement as a terrorist organisation.
But it would be totally okay if Clinton won and Trump's supporters picketed her headquarters, right?
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