[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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Yet today the country most similar is the one with the most democracy, funny that.

Not really, they are not the U.S.A.

Come to think of it, maybe some of this is due to people never actually experiencing freedom. I can see other countries working in whatever way works for them and I respect that a great deal, now that their way is being forced upon me I'm not a happy camper.

Pretty soon I won't be allowed to camp at all, started off with permits and such...
 
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Not really, they are not the U.S.A..
Yes really, what you said does not explain USA but more Switzerland, America has many Allies, and peace is questionable, Switzerland on the other hand has no allies and is neutral among any nation.
 
Yes really, what you said does not explain USA but more Switzerland, America has many Allies, and peace is questionable, Switzerland on the other hand has no allies and is neutral among any nation.

If you mean they have stuck to their guns than good for them, They could be Nazi for all I care. This is a thread about the POTUS elect no? I have a glimmer of hope that he will respect our form of government as it was intended by our great founding fathers.
 
All this discussion of US democracy versus republic has been entertaining, but IMO is a moot question. No one - left, right or center - has the slightest realistic hope or expectation that either the constitutional amendment or the constitutional congress needed to remove the electoral college will come to pass.

That discussion wasn't about the electoral college. It started with mentioning the importance of respecting diversity of opinion in a democracy, to which the response was "ah, but the US is not a democracy, it's a republic".
 
Society is in a very receptive state right now, so Trump will have a lot of influence, at least to begin with.

Another way of saying this is that our society has suddenly become very changeable, mutable, liquid, inchoate. Trump's tweets have the legacy media distinctly off-balance, virtually paralyzed into irrelevance. Their authoritarian moment has morphed into somebody else's! :nervous:
 
Another way of saying this is that our society has suddenly become very changeable, mutable, liquid, inchoate. Trump's tweets have the legacy media distinctly off-balance, virtually paralyzed into irrelevance. Their authoritarian moment has morphed into somebody else's! :nervous:


I must be the only one on the planet who has faith in the american mind, why do people think we are so stupid?
 
It still amazes me after all these pages there are people still claiming the US is something it isn't. Just because a republic has elements of a democracy doesn't mean it's democracy. My truck has elements of a sports car, doesn't mean it is one. But it looks like there's no convincing some :indiff:.
Really? Or is it just that there's a difference between 'democracy' and 'democracy', and people just can't see eye to eye about what 'democracy' means. Same word can have one meaning to some and another to others. That is not a problem in their political views but a language related difference, which shouldn't be too difficult thing to grasp, the word 'After' means anus in German. Currently the US is a republic therefore not a democracy argument is basically the same as saying that people are wrong for calling a banana a fruit because a banana isn't a grapefruit rather than explaining how a banana isn't a fruit. That's not changing before someone tries to contradict the multiple definitions of democracy that do support the idea that the US is a democracy the opposing part of the argument won't even have the information that could make them change their stance on the subject.

Or have we suddenly moved into a world where governments and their power sources cannot be discussed in any other language than the one in their constitutions, which in America's case is 18th century English, and people should just figure that out by themselves?
 
Or have we suddenly moved into a world where governments and their power sources cannot be discussed in any other language than the one in their constitutions, which in America's case is 18th century English, and people should just figure that out by themselves?
Well, apparently using any source other than the original constitution reveals one to be a nonsensical agenda seeker according to some people. By attempting to read around the subject we're part of the conspiracy to take away the liberties of Americans or one American in particular.
 
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I must be the only one on the planet who has faith in the american mind, why do people think we are so stupid?
Internationalist/globalist/foreigner sorts of people "hate" us when we get into the frame of mind of "America First" in lieu of putting a range of issues in their interests first. It's not that we're stupid, but that we're occasionally capable of putting pragmatism - our own core interests - ahead of their pet ideological causes like universal human rights, universal democracy, universal equality, development and the like. Combine that with the fact that Americans have an enormous capacity for violence, hypocrisy, self-righteousness and aggressive actions and you have the recipe for the foreigner's genuine fearfulness for what's going to happen next. And frankly I don't blame them. We are (properly in my view) undergoing a populist/nationalist revolution of sorts in reaction to decades of globalist/elitist misrule. We are bound to have a bit of overshoot, with collateral damage. I only hope it's not too bad. We won't have long to wait. :D
 
Or have we suddenly moved into a world where governments and their power sources cannot be discussed in any other language than the one in their constitutions, which in America's case is 18th century English, and people should just figure that out by themselves?

I linked a very good source in modern English for those who find the old language hard, I'll do it again for you. This is a very good resource without bias.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constquick.html

Well, apparently using any source other than the original constitution reveals one to be a nonsensical agenda seeker according to some people. By attempting to read around the subject we're part of the conspiracy to take away the liberties of Americans or one American in particular.

That is the beauty of being an american, we have a constitution that insures me my liberties. Taking away one man's is one man's too many.
 
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I'm not in that generation, but still, to me it comes across as a generic insult just to make the person saying it feel better about themselves. But maybe it's just me.
It is an insult technically. I found it funny the first time I heard Rush Limbaugh use it, describing the collage students who were scared cause they saw the word Trump written in chalk on a sidewalk.
 
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It is an insult technically. I found it funny the first time I heard Rush Limbaugh use it, describing the collage students who we're scared cause they saw the word Trump written in chalk on a sidewalk.

I don't think it's fair to call people snowflake even though I do it myself, I think it might be better to make fun of the people who cater to the few snowflakes as if every college kid is one. :lol:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10707/nc-state-provides-grieving-students-post-election-pardes-seleh

This is what it's all about, I need some comfort food come to think of it ;)
 
That is the beauty of being an american, we have a constitution that insures me my liberties. Taking away one man's is one man's too many.
Since we are no longer at liberty to discover research sources for ourselves I hope I am not taking away your liberties by quoting directly from your link.

US Constitution
Section 4 ensures a republican form of government (which, in this case, is synonymous with "representative democracy," and both of which are opposed to a monarchical or aristocratic scheme - the state derives its power from the people, not from a king or gentry) and guarantees that the federal government will protect the states against invasion and insurrection.
 
Recent interview with Pilger. I couldn't say it any better myself. Mandatory watching, IMO.
 
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Seat belts and camping permits? That constitutes an "overzealous government?" That's the sum total of experiences that equates to not having "been a free man for many years?"

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No, it also includes agenda-mongering furriners taking away his right by referring to it as "a democracy".
 
No, it also includes many other things in my daily life that do not interest you guys which is fine. Not sure why you would ask in a sincere manner when all you really want to do is poke fun.

I define freedom as being free to do as I please as long as I do not take away another's at the same time, our government is clearly keeping me from doing that and no I don't care to explain it to those not wanting to listen.
 
Seat belts and camping permits? That constitutes an "overzealous government?" That's the sum total of experiences that equates to not having "been a free man for many years?"

:lol:

No, it also includes many other things in my daily life that do not interest you guys which is fine. Not sure why you would ask in a sincere manner when all you really want to do is poke fun.

I define freedom as being free to do as I please as long as I do not take away another's at the same time, our government is clearly keeping me from doing that and no I don't care to explain it to those not wanting to listen.

I did a remodel in my house recently, and there was a big discussion about how we could rip something out so that we could put in the required outlet within 6 feet of another outlet... even though it made no sense to put or need an outlet in that area.

I'm considering investing in a US oil well in hopes of getting an above the line deduction this year so that I can get my AGI down to a tax credit that I'm phased out for. I don't really want to invest in an oil well, but it would definitely be worth it to get that tax credit. I don't know if this will exist at the end of 2017, do I set the money aside for that? Do I invest it elsewhere in the meantime? Should I assume that tax deduction doesn't exist?

It turns out that I can't rent a place to a family member below fair market value and still take depreciation on the house. That feeds in to whether I buy a property, and if so, what kind of rental situation do I have?

Do I sell stock to take losses to offset the gains that I've had in other stock? I wouldn't normally sell that stock, and I have to pay a transaction fee to do so, but doing so could defer a tax liablity so maybe I should.

Even though I don't use my front porch, I have to clear it of snow so that I don't get sued by someone slipping on it.

I wanted to take my handguns to the gun range because I hadn't shot them in a few years and wanted to make sure I had recent practice (and that the springs in my 9mm magazine are still producing enough force). What is CO law for transporting a gun to a range? Do I have to keep them in a locked trunk? A locked container inside the locked trunk? Does ammo have to be kept in a separate container? What about when I'm walking from the parking lot into the range itself? What are the rules for transporting a gun on my person for a few feet?

It really does never end.

It's so many times worse when you own a business. Someone from Canada wants to buy my product? Well, if I sell it to you I'm an exporter so I have to go through US export law and Canadian customs. Someone from Norway wants to buy my product, new laws to sift through. Sweden has strict regulations about how much of the product packaging has to be recyclable, and it has to have the proper markings on the package to indicate which codes it adheres to. I forced customers to have a US shipping address specifically so that I could avoid exporting products. This led many of my customers to hire a company in the US to provide them with a shipping forwarding address so that I could ship to a US location and the shipping forwarding service would send my product on outside of the US - effectively making my customers importers of my goods.

Oh, and I have to charge like 4 at least taxes depending on whether people are ordering from my state, county, and city...and don't get me started on the income tax reporting from all of that.

...and none of that includes hiring a single person!
 
Not sure why you would ask in a sincere manner when all you really want to do is poke fun.

I asked sincerely because I wanted to know. Because I wanted to have a discussion about it. Because I don't think people's everyday freedoms are all that constrained by an "overzealous government." I think it goes to @Biggles's point about not having perspective on what the rest of the world can be like.

I only poked fun because you declined to offer up any real examples, leading me to go through your posts over the last five pages or so, and all I found was seat belts. It's a bit laughable to say that constitutes a real threat to somebody's freedom.

I define freedom as being free to do as I please as long as I do not take away another's at the same time, our government is clearly keeping me from doing that and no I don't care to explain it to those not wanting to listen.

I am wanting to listen. You preemptively decided that I wasn't, and declined to provide any serious substantiation to your claim that you've spent decades now as a person with any freedom.
 
Well, Americans (and JohnnyP) can find comfort in the fact that Kevin O'Leary, Canada's very own obnoxious, loud-mouthed, right-wing reality TV star has announced his candidacy for leadership of the Conservative Party.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38659147

He needs to go away and keep making his terrible TV program, reality and contestant TV stars do not belong in top government places on their first go around.
 
Well, Americans (and JohnnyP) can find comfort in the fact that Kevin O'Leary, Canada's very own obnoxious, loud-mouthed, right-wing reality TV star has announced his candidacy for leadership of the Conservative Party.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38659147
Booyah!! Someone who wants to reign in wasteful government spending, ballooning deficits and scrap the carbon tax. Where do I sign up?!
 
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