Poll: What aid-tools in sport mode should be allowed ?

[TeamCZRRacing]

As a T300RS owner with a TH8A shifter and T3PA pedal set, I try to use realistic aids, but I can see why other players would want other experiences, so I voted "I play with SW: I want everything always allowed! (also racing lines etc)." No reason everyone shouldn't be able to play the way they want.

 

[Macboyilija]

A reason could be if people have less fun knowing others dont drive under the same circumstances.

Unless you meant no reason for you ?

 

[TenderLoins]

I am on the GTP community and I am only speaking to the GTP community. So what kind of logic is this ? Why is it relevant what other people think outside of this community ? With that logic one could also say that if I made an ingame poll and the outcome would be the same, you would respond by saying that the vote is useless since there are more people out there who didnt buy this game.

And how would you know the outcome would not be the same if it would be an ingame poll ? If I would ask you before this poll you would also say the majority likes it as it is. Clearly its not. So maybe your ideas about others outside this forum are also wrong ?

It is what it is, a sample which could or could not be respresentative. But just realise that you are a pretty big minority. To me I value more people who seek this forums than gamers who do not. They will never really care what PD does. The people who do care are on fora worldide. And this forum clearly is one of the biggest if not the biggest online. So dont downgrade this clear outcome.

Just to make clear: if the outcome was different it would not change my opinion of course. I always thought I was a minority here. But obviously I am not.



The poll is clearly stating how people on GTP want to race. It clearly is not how some of you thought.

The poll has a whopping total of less than 200 votes total. Clearly an excellent indicator of the majority even here at GTP.

Most people simply don’t care what other people use.

 

[Senna52]

The poll is flawed, but I get why this keeps coming up.

I play with a wheel and ABS weak only. By DR I’m in the top 70 in the US and am right around the t10 times usually (Not to make any statement other than to bolster my argument).

I don’t care what anyone else uses. No one above me is there because of aids. Guys who are fast will be fast regardless.

I did a test with CSA and I don’t really see much of an improvement. I did 10 laps of Interlagos with no CSA in the M4 GR4. Fastest lap was a 1:37.85x, slowest was a 1:38.38x. I did it again with CSA on and my fastest lap was 1:37.81x and slowest was 1:38.01x. My spread was a bit tighter, but really nothing that impressive.

Point being, if other people want to use aids and it adds to the player base, be my guest.

 

[FPV MIC]

Most people simply don’t care what other people use.

Point being, if other people want to use aids and it adds to the player base, be my guest.

The two above posts sum it up pretty well for me.

This is also the reason I didn't vote because it's not a matter of what I want it's just that I don't care how other people play their game.

 

[ColinNZ]

What a terrible poll; the return will be pure nonsense. I'm fine to race with whatever rules are set up by the host, be that another user or PD themselves.

 

[UGA95]

By DR I’m in the top 70 in the US.

Where do you go to see this?

 

[Senna52]

Where do you go to see this?

Jason Guernsey created an awesome site that pulls data from the game. It’s normally a few days behind, but using it along with kudosprime is a great tool.

http://www.jasonguernsey.net/gts/Search

 

[TotosaLoko]

I voted to have real car assistance, but as an option available to the more experienced players, it would facilitate a lot, but the real problemS of the sport mode are otherS, I already mentioned that in another topic (Daily Race Discussion), well let's go:

1 - Including a qualifying practice (mandatory/ obligatory) before each race would reduce the presence of "trolls"; >and accidents!
2- The Ghost mode present in the game distracts and disrupts (disturbs) in the same way that the automatic repositioning (respawning) of the cars, besides giving the impression of something not to be taken seriously;
3 - There has to be damage for the same previous reason, people have to understand that there will be consequences if they hit other cars or go beyond the limits of the car or the track;
4 - Allow pilots to access their favorite car's configurations (setup) before the races so they can be used on different tracks as well as in real life would be more logical and fun than simply forcing pilots to test different cars to see what the best for a particular track; >is what happens today, and PD ends up intervening and "nerfs" the cars..
5 - All these assists and interventions frustrate the most experienced players and make the game lose the seriousness it tries or tried to pass, there are many "trolls" in the game for the same reasons, which explains the large number of people frustrated in this forum, as I, it's "a game for kids" is what you hear the most, well, the truth hurts, but it seems to be the goal of the PD with this game.

EX: If the PD let the players choose the amount of fuel before the races, it would not need to unify the tank of the cars!

 

[Senna52]

This is starting to remind me of threads from about 5 years ago during a GTAcademy. There were threads popping up that wanted E-Brake usage banned because people were “cheating” with it.

You could have banned e brakes then, and aids now. It’s not going to change the leaderboards much, if at all.

 

[TotosaLoko]

This is starting to remind me of threads from about 5 years ago during a GTAcademy. There were threads popping up that wanted E-Brake usage banned because people were “cheating” with it.

You could have banned e brakes then, and aids now. It’s not going to change the leaderboards much, if at all.

True, in addition, the fastest drivers are good with or without assistance, the game has bigger problems to solve, this questionnaire (poll) does not make much sense, the game is made for everyone to play, with steering wheel or with the DS4.

 

[JayRS200]

Results look good. Mostly purists wanting...
I play with DS4/SW: I want authentic: only aids that the actual car or class has

 

[iamjajo]

I don't really care what the other drivers use. If I can find more people who want to race, so be it.

 

[KingFrog]

I play with DS4, zero assist.

 

[LennyB]

People do realize that CSA is not an authentic aid right?

I care most about FIA when things get serious, only abs should be allowed and I'll tell you why I think that. TCS in the game is not realistic, CSA does not exist, ASM, well no one will compete with that on, anything else? Yes, ABS, we need it because physics model is trash.

I know how it sounds but it's how I see it. Other then that I say have at it, it might be nice to see some tt boards with tight restrictions for the upper crust to duke it out on.

Oh, I only answered the second question in the pole.

 

[Sofia Speed]

REALLY?!?
Again?

What is the problem with the assistances or SW vs DS4?

This is getting worst than a Pregnacy forums!!

If people want to use they use!
If people don’t want to use they don’t use!
If you don’t like you don’t play or go to lobby, make your own room with your own rules and good luck!

Now talking about BAN is just wrong!!
What’s next? Building walls between players?!?


Wait: I voted "I play with SW: I want everything always allowed! (also racing lines etc)" because everybody is free to choose what they want...

 

[Macboyilija]

The problem is that there are a big group of people that cannot find the same fun when they are working hard to keep a car in controle (adrenaline and serious gaming fun) while others are half asleep driving the same race. If that is the case I see no difference between driving against AI and driving against other real people.

There are people who do not like arcade games. But still are not hardcore simmers. Both people play the same game which causes some frictions.

You could have banned e brakes then, and aids now. It’s not going to change the leaderboards much, if at all.

It has nothing to do with the fast times. Let people who want to be on the top of the leaderboards remain at that position. As said, most fast drivers are fast with or without aids. Maybe in the past people were whining they were not fast enough as the top drivers. And thats why this “fast-argument” is coming back. But to say it once again and again and again: it has nothing to do with driving fast or slow. It is about having the fun when driving online wanting equality in sportmanship. And for those who want to drive against people without s controller and without aids. For those who want to drive against everybody mixed nothing will change. It is just about adding an option for those who want it.

The poll has a whopping total of less than 200 votes total. Clearly an excellent indicator of the majority even here at GTP.

For people who understand statistics a little bit one should know that it is not important how many people are voting. It is important that you have a mixed group of people that represent the community. I think GT planet is perfect for this as one of the worlds biggest forum.

You can compare it with a restaurant rating system. It is very likely that only people who complain will answer.
If you simply start a poll it gives a better picture.

 

[zzz_pt]

But to say it once again and again and again: it has nothing to do with driving fast or slow. It is about having the fun when driving online wanting equality in sportmanship. And for those who want to drive against people without s controller and without aids.

So, how do you not have fun when entering a sport mode race?

Do you go in already thinking you're the only person not using aids and because of that you won't have as much fun as you'd like? Do you check everyone's aids during the warm up before the race? If so, why? Why don't you assume everyone's driving with ABS only and carry on having fun? Or do you get disappointed if on a tight corner you see another driver getting away because he doesn't have as much wheel spin (he can be just a good driver or have TCS, why assume the latter)?

It all sounds a bit weird to me tbh.

 

[GTWelsh]

Ignore this comment. Deleted it now. Totally miss-read some posts, starting to think it was a CSA discussion, it is not. So my bad!

Authentic aid levels are the best though, to put something correct and on topic into the discussion For lower DR levels though maybe enable them all.

 

[TotosaLoko]

In this case, a forum composed mostly by purists, who was the saint who told that it was a good idea to remove the damage of the cars, includes a ghost mode, the automatic repositioning and the last pearl, unify the fuel tank of the cars? Honestly, I think they do not even follow this kind of forum, just want to increase sales..

 

[Gejabo]

if the car has ABS or TCS in real life than that should be allowed.
If it has not than it shouldn't be allowed.

The factory setting in Assetto Corsa and Project cars is perfect I think.

 

[Mr616]

So, how do you not have fun when entering a sport mode race?

Do you go in already thinking you're the only person not using aids and because of that you won't have as much fun as you'd like? Do you check everyone's aids during the warm up before the race? If so, why? Why don't you assume everyone's driving with ABS only and carry on having fun? Or do you get disappointed if on a tight corner you see another driver getting away because he doesn't have as much wheel spin (he can be just a good driver or have TCS, why assume the latter)?

It all sounds a bit weird to me tbh.

This is what I don't get. It's pure elitism imo. Does the op check everybody in his replay that beat him checking for aids? He doesn't have fun if others are using aids he doesn't use? Really OP? I don't get it. Forget what other people use and get on with your own racing (and improvement).

I didn't vote because I don't care what others use. If it helps keep them clean in races great.

This game is far from a "real" sim so the "real" assist argument finishes right there with me.

 

[GTWelsh]

It's pure elitism imo

Strong words. It can be a bit of elitism maybe, but don't jump to that conclusion, CSA-Strong (the aid that stands out from the others) is discussed at length here, I won't comment on that further because it's not a CSA discussion.

 

[Oizon21]

I want to adjust all my controls on all cars and in all races how I feel is better for me. And I want everyone are free to adjust their settings to their preferred.

 

[TotosaLoko]

I see this game as a missed opportunity, could have included the pursuit of the FIA's digital license and have taken advantage of the more powerful hardware to make a game more realistic, instead, a campaign without charisma or sense of progression, focused on a online mode where you have to pray to have a clean race, they did not take into account this generation of players who do not care about anything or anyone, well, now they are forced to share the cake with Project Cars 2, AC and others.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

For people who understand statistics a little bit one should know that it is not important how many people are voting. It is important that you have a mixed group of people that represent the community. I think GT planet is perfect for this as one of the worlds biggest forum.

People that understand statistics and the use of a poll also fully understand that the demographics of the pool of individuals responding to any such poll can also drastically influence the results of the poll.

For that reason most polls are really not a dependable indication of realistic opinion or accurate results except that of the actual people that responded to the poll and the general opinion of those outside of that limited base could be drastically different.

At the time of this post less than 200 have posted an answer on this poll, at such a low response number the poll in my opinion does not accurately have the numbers to represent even a reasonable percentage of just the members of this forum much less the 100's of thousands or millions of PS4 owners that also own the GTS game.

So trying to use the results of this poll to justify this is the opinion of the entire GTS player base can in no way be taken seriously.

I think the more casual the gamer or the more a player views this as a game and does not try to blur the lines of this being an accurate representation of real world racing the less they will care or object to what aids the game has in place and allows to be used to play the game.

I really have reached the position that I do not care what others do or what aids they use, what track limits they do or do not find acceptable or even how some game the penalty system or do not race with as little contact as I would like to see.

At the end of the day it is a game, as long as it can be played and enjoyed it will be played by most, when the enjoyment is gone it will not be played , pretty simple actually.

Sure I would like to see some things different within the game but at the end of the day I get what the product gives, no more or no less.

There in my opinion is no moral high ground either way, we all have our opinion and how any one person chooses to play their game as long as it is within the rules and allowed by the game is that individuals right period.

 

[Mr616]

Strong words. It can be a bit of elitism maybe, but don't jump to that conclusion, CSA-Strong (the aid that stands out from the others) is discussed at length here, I won't comment on that further because it's not a CSA discussion.

I get why people don't like it, but what other people are using doesn't interest me. The OP says HE can't have fun because others use assists? What about the fun of those other people.

I race the people on track and I win and lose. What assists other people are using do not interest me.

Anyway enough of that. Wrong thread.

*I'm not having a pop at you by the way.

 

[PirovacBoy]

There in my opinion is no moral high ground either way, we all have our opinion and how any one person chooses to play their game as long as it is within the rules and allowed by the game is that individuals right period.

Totally agree,nothing to add 👍

 

[GTWelsh]

I get why people don't like it, but what other people are using doesn't interest me. The OP says HE can't have fun because others use assists? What about the fun of those other people.

I race the people on track and I win and lose. What assists other people are using do not interest me.

Anyway enough of that. Wrong thread.

*I'm not having a pop at you by the way.

It's all good it didn't come across that way anyway I understand and agree for the most part, I'm coming round to CSA usage. If it's there, meh, I'll use it, it's still fun and it's still good aggressive usually clean racing.

 

[TheCracker]

Keep all the assists. I've not come across one that actually makes you faster, they only tend to slow you down. If you use a DS4, especially if you stick to the traditional GT button layout with the on/off digital instead of analogue buttons, as i do, it's almost impossible to keep many of the cars in a straight line without some degree of assist, even if you can feel it's slowing you down. Keeping ABS is a no-brainer. Most cars will have ABS naturally and since you get no 'feel' in the pedal/button its too hard to judge how hard you are braking as you have little idea of what is going on underneath you.