Poll: What aid-tools in sport mode should be allowed ?

[cleanLX]

I know, I just mean - I'm not alien.
I can never, even when I run a perfect lap - get my time down to alien levels. I just don't have the skill yet,

maybe alien should be a "relative" term...
I'm usually 5+sec off #1 and never been closer to 3+sec off #10... and I'll never be Sr.S... so... to me... You = Alien! :0

 

[parkman_20]

Well my perspective is this.. so I just watched a replay of a race I was in. The car I was driving was dancing all around while I was pushing as hard as I could while sweating up a storm. As the tires wore down, despite my best attempts to manage wheel spin, I would still have to counter-steer regularly coming out of slower corners especially. And when you're already pushing hard and you add to that the mental focus required to "tip-toe" on the edge of the tires' grip, well it's just pretty fatiguing--at least for me. And that's part of the challenge! Well anyhow, in the replay I noticed the two closest competitors behind me who were keeping up at relatively the same pace, weren't having to counter steer at all even when their car lost traction, and spun the tires coming out of a turn, they still didn't have to correct with opposite-angled steering input.(I watched the little red dot, it never crossed center, in which case the car should spin if you maintain throttle or increase it) CSA? I think so. That is a huge advantage imo, to take away that added dimension, challenge and stress/pressure.

And another example, one of my online friends plays with a DS4 and he's also an S/S and he's literally as fast as me and--not to brag, but to validate a point--I'm 42 in the U.S. If you call it a game, that's fine. If you call it a "simulator"/"sport", then I don't think unrealistic aids are a great thing tbh.

I have no problem with it as far as everyone being able to play and enjoy it. But if we're talking FIA, and racing licenses? Yeah, imo there should be an authentic mode, meaning no assistance apart from the real life counterparts.

But hey, I'm an iRacing guy and that's what I enjoy. In iRacing, it's made so even rev matching was faster if *you* did it rather than the aids.

Just my .02! To everyone who enjoys the game with aids, I'm glad you play--just hopeful we'll get an "authentic" mode as well! Maybe add a 4th daily race? Would be cool!

 

[Schm1cke]

If it hasn't already been mentioned, issues with aids are second to appropriate matching! Too much disparity between drivers abilities currently?!

 

[TotosaLoko]

You can make one yourself...in a lobby...

Are you serious? Lobbys and sport mode are completely different .. if you play you should know: BoP, ranking, speed, convenience ...

 

[John Crellin]

Are you serious? Lobbys and sport mode are completely different .. if you play you should know: BoP, ranking, speed, convenience ...

TBF all of the thing (besides ranking) that you listed are actually better in the lobbies.
-Many lobbies are BOP
-yeah you are right, no ranking in the lobbies. but ranking is just to match you with similar players
-There are both fast and slow lobbies and fast and slow sport mode races. The lobbies are where the leagues are at, and you can kick bad players if you want.
-I dont find Sport mode very convenient. You have to qualify for a while then wait for the scheduled races at a predetermined track in a predetermined class. the lobbies allow you to have a race at any time on any track with any settings you wish...

 

[TotosaLoko]

TBF all of the thing (besides ranking) that you listed are actually better in the lobbies.
-Many lobbies are BOP
-yeah you are right, no ranking in the lobbies. but ranking is just to match you with similar players
-There are both fast and slow lobbies and fast and slow sport mode races. The lobbies are where the leagues are at, and you can kick bad players if you want.
-I dont find Sport mode very convenient. You have to qualify for a while then wait for the scheduled races at a predetermined track in a predetermined class. the lobbies allow you to have a race at any time on any track with any settings you wish...

Sorry, but you did not convince me, I had given a suggestion that I believe many pilots would like to have, a sport mode with damage, no ghost mode, no automatic respaw, strict rules of flag,penalties, how a race should be ..., ranked and without having to face the marathon to find a lobby with all these features (South America), but I respect your opinion, i think would help to catch the attention of serious players of simulators out there and would decrease the presence of children who think they are in a demolition car.

 

[John Crellin]

Sorry, but you did not convince me, I had given a suggestion that I believe many pilots would like to have, a sport mode with damage, no ghost mode, no automatic respaw, strict rules of flag,penalties, how a race should be ..., ranked and without having to face the marathon to find a lobby with all these features (South America), but I respect your opinion, i think would help to catch the attention of serious players of simulators out there and would decrease the presence of children who think they are in a demolition car.

other than the ranking system, all the thing you listed are features of some league racing and optional in lobbies. If you are having a difficult time finding a 'hardcore' lobby just set one up yourself and Ill wager that less people than you think will join your room.

Now that being said, "sport mode with damage, no ghost mode, no automatic respawn, strict rules of flag,penalties"

-damage is already used in the FIA races IIRC
-I actually fuilly agree with the no ghost/no respawn. I think that would improve some of the faults for sure.
-Flag penalties are already enforced (And not many people like it I may add)
- Also considering the already small active player base being drawn on in Sport mode you may have issue filling grids with similar ranked player in a 'hardcore mode'

Of course you are entitled to your opinion which i respect, I am merely refuting your points.

 

[TotosaLoko]

other than the ranking system, all the thing you listed are features of some league racing and optional in lobbies. If you are having a difficult time finding a 'hardcore' lobby just set one up yourself and Ill wager that less people than you think will join your room.

Now that being said, "sport mode with damage, no ghost mode, no automatic respawn, strict rules of flag,penalties"

-damage is already used in the FIA races IIRC
-I actually fuilly agree with the no ghost/no respawn. I think that would improve some of the faults for sure.
-Flag penalties are already enforced (And not many people like it I may add)
- Also considering the already small active player base being drawn on in Sport mode you may have issue filling grids with similar ranked player in a 'hardcore mode'

Of course you are entitled to your opinion which i respect, I am merely refuting your points.

All right, have you ever considered that less and less people have been playing the sport mode just for the way it is? Something has to be done, rather than simply forcing hardcore players to create rooms or looking for one, while watching the sport die slowly due to being full of casual players, happened to the Forza and we do not want to see happen with Gran Turismo right?
PD could gather everyone in sport mode, ranking would be shared and would please distinct profiles, several discussions in those forums would be avoided, look to RaceRoom, Assetto Corsa, IRacing, Project Cars, rFactor2, Automobilista and your customer base as an example, the game would attract a large number of customers of these games and could solve the problem of empty rooms.

 

[Macboyilija]

Well my perspective is this.. so I just watched a replay of a race I was in. The car I was driving was dancing all around while I was pushing as hard as I could while sweating up a storm. As the tires wore down, despite my best attempts to manage wheel spin, I would still have to counter-steer regularly coming out of slower corners especially. And when you're already pushing hard and you add to that the mental focus required to "tip-toe" on the edge of the tires' grip, well it's just pretty fatiguing--at least for me. And that's part of the challenge! Well anyhow, in the replay I noticed the two closest competitors behind me who were keeping up at relatively the same pace, weren't having to counter steer at all even when their car lost traction, and spun the tires coming out of a turn, they still didn't have to correct with opposite-angled steering input.(I watched the little red dot, it never crossed center, in which case the car should spin if you maintain throttle or increase it) CSA? I think so. That is a huge advantage imo, to take away that added dimension, challenge and stress/pressure.

And another example, one of my online friends plays with a DS4 and he's also an S/S and he's literally as fast as me and--not to brag, but to validate a point--I'm 42 in the U.S. If you call it a game, that's fine. If you call it a "simulator"/"sport", then I don't think unrealistic aids are a great thing tbh.

I have no problem with it as far as everyone being able to play and enjoy it. But if we're talking FIA, and racing licenses? Yeah, imo there should be an authentic mode, meaning no assistance apart from the real life counterparts.

But hey, I'm an iRacing guy and that's what I enjoy. In iRacing, it's made so even rev matching was faster if *you* did it rather than the aids.

Just my .02! To everyone who enjoys the game with aids, I'm glad you play--just hopeful we'll get an "authentic" mode as well! Maybe add a 4th daily race? Would be cool!

Great post ! Exactly my experience. When reading this forum my biggest issue still is DS4. Its just not comparable. Let alone the aids. Glad to see there are more people like me.

 

[Sofia Speed]

Sport Mode races are for everyone.
From E/E players to S/S players. Matchmaking and qualifying are there to give some fairness to the races.

Maybe there should be one or two more races.
Maybe damage should be set to on in some races.

But everybody is free to choose which AIDS they want to use.

IMPOSING what others should use or do based on the way you use the game is not right...
Being AIDS used or cockpit vs other views.

If you want others to use your rules you go to lobby, create a room and invite your “purist” friends.



If I were a “purist” too I would ban all DS4 users.... “damn fakers!! Who drives a car with a remote?!?”
But I’m not, so I just enjoy the game as I want and don’t care what setting others are using...



Being said, I respect your choices and opinions, just don’t try to impose them on me!!

 

[Schm1cke]

Maybe PD should introduce an arcade mode to satisfy all those wanting aids with unlimited contact with no penalties and keep sport mode for the racing purists with limited aids (what is acceptable is yet to be determined) and harsher penalties/damage for contact?!

 

[Macboyilija]

Sport Mode races are for everyone.
From E/E players to S/S players. Matchmaking and qualifying are there to give some fairness to the races.

Maybe there should be one or two more races.
Maybe damage should be set to on in some races.

But everybody is free to choose which AIDS they want to use.

IMPOSING what others should use or do based on the way you use the game is not right...
Being AIDS used or cockpit vs other views.

If you want others to use your rules you go to lobby, create a room and invite your “purist” friends.

If I were a “purist” too I would ban all DS4 users.... “damn fakers!! Who drives a car with a remote?!?”
But I’m not, so I just enjoy the game as I want and don’t care what setting others are using...

Being said, I respect your choices and opinions, just don’t try to impose them on me!!

If you would read the wishes you would read that nobody is imposing anything. Its getting really tired how attacked people feel. You say you respect this, why not read the wish for an addition ? Nobody asks to change how people drive. We are only asking for an addition. One special class or maybe E*-S* classes. Where * has no aids and DS4 or whatever.

Nobody needs to change anything. Would be nice if people stopped using this false argument.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

If you would read the wishes you would read that nobody is imposing anything. Its getting really tired how attacked people feel. You say you respect this, why not read the wish for an addition ? Nobody asks to change how people drive. We are only asking for an addition. One special class or maybe E*-S* classes. Where * has no aids and DS4 or whatever.

Nobody needs to change anything. Would be nice if people stopped using this false argument.

I understand where you are coming from.

But I see little coming from adding "special" classes without dedicated races to accommodate those classes.
Sport Mode is for everyone.
And if anything is to be added to Sport Mode it needs to be something for everyone.

Hoping/asking that PD spends resources on such a small, specific group of the userbase in Sport Mode seems futile to me.

There is already the option to limit driving aids for lobbies.
Campaigning for a "view lock" option to be added here seems the best/logical choice.

 

[Macboyilija]

I dont see it as well. And as stated there are valid reasons why they dont want to add this. The fields will get smaller and that is not always good (although it sometimes is).

Lets keep it as it is but let us just complaint

 

[Epic B]

I think all aids should be allowed as it'll attract a wider variety of players of different skill levels, some of which may need driving aids. Besides, many of the cars typically seen in Sport mode have driving aids of some sort in real life anyway. Group GT3s have traction control, for example. I usually go for just ABS.

On a pointless side note, my main Group 3 is the 911 RSR, which I use with ABS and no traction control even though the real one has traction control and no ABS.

 

[Macboyilija]

I must admit having it as in real cars is most realistic. The poll favorites that option by far.

But I too just want it all off. Makes it far more interesting although I hear with TCS 1 or 2 its definitely not easy to step on the gas in corners.

 

[TwIsTeD_83]

Keep the aids but nerf them.
I just think some of them are just too strong.
Make it so they only help you to avoid accidents and slow you down a little bit if you use them.
Drivers who put the most effort in a race should be rewarded for their effort.

 

[Macboyilija]

Just a little kick for the poll.

 

[Nelson Medway]

I've noticed a lot of the top times in the dailies have Counter Steer Assist on lately.
I've never used it before but put it on and improved by quali time by a full second immediately in last night's daily with the Alpine at Maggiore.
My time was good enough for a Pole and second and bagged a win, (DR B SR S)
Being a wheel user it feels like self aligning torque, would it be less of an issue if it was called this rather than an assist? I felt quite dirty using it lol.

 

[Macboyilija]

Every assist would always be an issue to some drivers.

 

[Rinsky]

My vote was.

I play with DS4: I want authentic: only aids that the actual car or class has.

Even though most of the cars now have Traction Control I personally do not like using it unless it's absolutely necessary and that for me is cars N-800 and up on street tires.
ABS is a must with a DS4. I've raced a few times without it and to me it just doesn't feel realistic as the brakes lockup with the smallest inputs.

I will never touch ASM, CSA.

Every assist would always be an issue to some drivers.

I like the kinda racing you and me do in the lobbies with all assist off but ABS on street tires. We definitely have some close competitive battles with our cars being on the very edge of being out of control. It doesn't get any better than that.

 

[St739]

In real life racing a lot of cars have a lot of electronic gadgets. So in my opinion it should be authentic if the has the option in irl so it should in a game

 

[Macboyilija]

I like the kinda racing you and me do in the lobbies with all assist off but ABS on street tires. We definitely have some close competitive battles with our cars being on the very edge of being out of control. It doesn't get any better than that.

Very well said ! You will never have these battles with the same adrenaline with (all) aids on. SH is magic to me. Always are the most interesting races. Too bad I am not hosting so much anymore.

You should by a wheel though ! Quadriples the fun !

 

[_ApexPredator]

All of them. Let people race how they want.

This. Just let people use whatever they want.
I also don't think that banning driver assists would work out how you might imagine, the races would be a lot more chaotic for a start!

If you want to ban the aids you can already do it by setting up a lobby and inviting your friends :S it's never been easier to race exactly how you want to.

 

[Calmlity]

Only ABS and TCS. But PD wants more active players on sport mode, so that's not gonna happen. I thinks the best conclusion is giving more points to players who use less aids.

 

[Satomiblood]

Keep everything as-is. I feel that's the best option and what ultimately has my vote. People have different preferences and should be able to implement the features that suit them best. It's no one's business what driver aids other players use or don't use.

 

[MrBrunoA]

I think this is one aspect where GTS is well balanced. TCS off or just controlling traction yourself will make you slightly faster, so it's a fair trade off between extra challenge and benefits. I vote to keep it as it is.

I use DS with ABS always on and TCS on or off depending on the car. Some cars are just impossible to control on the DS without any TCS. I'd love to see someone drive Gr.3 Porsche or Ferrari fast and consistently on DS without any TCS.

 

[John Crellin]

Some cars are just impossible to control on the DS without any TCS. I'd love to see someone drive Gr.3 Porsche or Ferrari fast and consistently on DS without any TCS.

I agree with the first part of your post, but TBF I drive every car with TCS off and im a DS4 user (motion steering).

It takes practice and is not easy with certain cars, but it can be done and it can be with a fair degree of consistency. But it also took me several hundred hours to be able able to do this, where i used to use TCS 2 with the GR3 cars. So i completely understand why people want it and why it should be allowed.

Except Karts.... all assists on with those buggers

 

[Voodoovaj]

I think this is one aspect where GTS is well balanced. TCS off or just controlling traction yourself will make you slightly faster, so it's a fair trade off between extra challenge and benefits. I vote to keep it as it is.

I use DS with ABS always on and TCS on or off depending on the car. Some cars are just impossible to control on the DS without any TCS. I'd love to see someone drive Gr.3 Porsche or Ferrari fast and consistently on DS without any TCS.

I do it all the time and I am DR S

Dual Shock controller, no aids, no problems.

I don't use the aids for anything, not even Gr1 or F1.

 

[Nando deBem]

I do it all the time and I am DR S

Dual Shock controller, no aids, no problems.

I don't use the aids for anything, not even Gr1 or F1.

Not even ABS? I don’t understand how people can be quick without ABS. In PCars, I’d just lower the pressure until it’d stop locking, but not being able to change brake pressure and not using ABS makes no sense to me.