Poll: What rating would you put in GT6 Demo?

[diegorborges]

Okay. Here are my full thoughts from the start up.

Tutorial: Nothing against that guy Lucas, but I don't want to see him or anyone else in the final game. Enough of Zombie Jeff and his passive aggressive tips. Although it adds a bit more of life to the game and it gives it this very nice oldschool feel, I don't want someone patronizing me while I play. I've been playing GT since the 90's so I know what I'm doing. And option to turn it off/on would be nice.

Menu: Wonderful, wonderful! The simplicity of the menus, yet the nice modern feel to them is so welcome to the game. It lost the flashy car showroom from GT5, but it kinda works. I was for once afraid that the menu would loose the old GT feel to them, but it feels so damn great now. So intuitive and so easy to navigate through all the features and the options. The new garage reminds me a bit of GT4's, but it looks like it will be much easier to organize everything now. Well done, PD. Don't you dare change it in the final version.

Options: Everything is available quickly and without much navigating through menus. We still are missing options while driving like in GT5 though. I believe that will be added in the final version. Also, don't forget the option to turn off the HUD, PD! I want my screen clean, with nothing more than my cock pit view.

Graphics: The graphics are not better than GT5; they are just different. And that's good. Graphics were already great in the previous game. This is were opinions might differ, but I honestly didn't notice any framerate drops at all like some people claim. I don't know if the game starts suffering from this at higher resolution, but with a small 32 inch HD TV running at 720p, graphics although different than GT5 they felt smoother and I could even see the dashboard with more detail than before. Light effects look smoother as well and I loved how they changed the shadows inside the car. Contrast is better as well, and vision doesn't go black when the sun shines in front of your car anymore. On the negative side, I could notice some glitches in the shadows at Autumn Ring mini, but it was only at the distance in a very small spot and unnoticeable when driving.

Tracks: People can say how Grand Valley still looks the same as GT4, but I beg to differ on that. The track looks okay and I find no reason to say it looks like rubbish. The new dusk setting works fabulous on it and I can certainly notice a whole different and better feel to it. Tracks have never been an issue to me, unless you park in a corner and decide to take a pic. Autumn Ring has suffered a drastic make over, and I surely hope more classic tracks receive the same treatment. The detail on the trees, the barricades and the sun felt so warm. I never expect for PD to improve an old track so drastically, but I'm happy they did. Now to give trail Mountain a bit of love! Silverstone was in a another league. That track is absolutely gorgeous.

Physics: I honestly didn't thought they were going to be this different from GT5, but also so damn enjoyable. Here I was thinking that I wouldn't feel a difference in the Leaf, being such a slow car, but OMG, even the little Leaf was such a blast to drive. The body roll looks fantastic, although I may add that in the Leaf it was a bit too exaggerate. Driving the Fairlady was a completely different deal. I don't think I've ever taken a car to its limits so easily in GT5. I actually avoid it because I hate making mistakes. But here I was taking the stock Fairlady near its limits in every turn and something about how the car feels now made me push it harder in the next lap. I play with a DS3; analog sticks for steering, accelerating and braking. I could feel each tire now. I could feel how it gripped, how it lost traction, where each tire was now. It was beautiful. The weight transfer works beautifully and there are no surprises of what the car would do in the next turn anymore like in GT5. Then I jumped in the tuned Fairlady, expecting that things would feel flatter and lifeless with a racing suspension, but how wrong I was. there is less grip now, but it's somehow easier to take the car through the turns as fast as you can. Then it was the GT-R... Such a boring and lifeless car in GT5 despite being an incredibly fast machine. Now that car lives to its legend. I found myself doing lap after lap with no intention on putting great times, but having the drive of my life! GT6's physics have brought new life to this car, and I can't wait to try my favorite cars in the final version.

Sounds: Still a placeholder I know. However apart from the softer volume, the sounds are as good as they were in GT5. As long as they give each car its distinctive engine note and finally fix that nonesense were if you change the exhaust you get a random and usually terrible sound, the sounds don't really need much improvement. If what you want are 2F2F unrealistic and artificial loudness, then try NFS. In that game you'll get your dose of distorted and horribly compressed engine sounds.

Other: I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that the tunned Fairlady had larger brakes with bigger orange Brembo calipers. This technically being a stock car tuned with the game's parameters and parts, and not a separately modeled car, might be a hint that we are finally getting brake upgrades!

Perfect post 👍 and yes, i've noticed the brakes on the tuned Fairlady. Good brake upgrades on GT6? Let's hope!

 

[HarVee]

3/5 - Okay.

It feels like GT5 with more fluff. And I guess that's essentially what I wanted at first, but later I realized that I'm just looking for something a bit different/new.

 

[PepeMickey]

I voted on ''Poor'' at its current state I'm not getting it, too many problems and almost nothing new, seems like a step backwards not only from GT5 but from everything on the current gen.

It just.. looks worse, sounds the same, plays the same and feels like .001% better, FM4 and Shift 2 are still kicking its ass.

 

[HuskyGT]

I voted on ''Poor'' at its current state I'm not getting it, too many problems and almost nothing new, seems like a step backwards not only from GT5 but from everything on the current gen.

It just.. looks worse, sounds the same, plays the same and feels like .001% better, FM4 and Shift 2 are still kicking its ass.

I can understand how FM4 is a good game in some aspects and all, and I won't discuss that.

But saying that half-baked, broken piece of garbage Shift 2 is better than Gran Turismo... Just lol

 

[PepeMickey]

I can understand how FM4 is a good game in some aspects and all, and I won't discuss that.

But saying that half-baked, broken piece of garbage Shift 2 is better than Gran Turismo... Just lol

And I'm going to lol harder, I can boot up my Shift 2 and start looking at the track list, oh man, Mount Panorama? Hockeinheim? Spa? Brands Hatch? Road America? Willow Springs? Silverstone? Monza? Laguna Seca? Suzuka? Catalunya? ROUEN?!! 50's Silverstone and Monza?! and so much more?!!....No WAY?!!...wait is that track list real?...hell yes it's real and with night time on 80 to 90% of the tracks.

Then take a look at my customized cars, my works converted cars, did I say that the Works upgrade is available on ALL CARS? did I?

Then take a spin against real challenging AI while hearing some sweet engine notes and actually feeling the danger of racing because I know that if I lose it, the race is over and a huge metalic boom with parts flying around and my driver screaming for his life might be a little too much and might make the poeple in the house a bit nervous.

Shift 2 is a better ''game'' than GTx-number, all you need is a good setup and a bit of tuning knowledge, nothing you can't find on these forums.

I'm also going to lol harder because I keep looking for new experiences while you stay on your boring and stale GT forever, now that's really funny.

 

[dr_slump]

And I'm going to lol harder, I can boot up my Shift 2 and start looking at the track list, oh man, Mount Panorama? Hockeinheim? Spa? Brands Hatch? Road America? Willow Springs? Silverstone? Monza? Laguna Seca? Suzuka? Catalunya? ROUEN?!! 50's Silverstone and Monza?!

Fuji, Daytona, Tsukuba, Le Mans, Indianapolis, TGTT, Rome, Madrid, Monaco, Motegi,...

Then take a spin against real challenging AI while hearing some sweet engine notes and actually feeling the danger of racing

More likely the danger of the AI...

because I know that if I lose it, the race is over and a huge metalic boom with parts flying around and my driver screaming for his life might be a little too much and might make the poeple in the house a bit nervous.

The only thing which made me nervous was the AI chronically crashing into me and the guarantee that you'll almost certainly steer too late - always!

Shift 2 is a better ''game'' than GTx-number, all you need is a good setup and a bit of tuning knowledge, nothing you can't find on these forums.

A better "game" you say, absolutely ruined by floppy, sloppy, slughish, and whatever else, physics. Pretty much undriveable and hence the reason for the fatal reviews and sales numbers. It was rated bad, the sales were bad, it meant the death of the shift franchise - you seriously want to say it was good?

I'm also going to lol harder because I keep looking for new experiences while you stay on your boring and stale GT forever, now that's really funny.

Shift 2 was an experience, which was in hindsight just a huge waste of money and time.


Btw, I guess you're not going to buy GT6 in this case?

 

[PepeMickey]

Fuji, Daytona, Tsukuba, Le Mans, Indianapolis, TGTT, Rome, Madrid, Monaco, Motegi,...


More likely the danger of the AI...
The only thing which made me nervous was the AI chronically crashing into me and the guarantee that you'll almost certainly steer too late - always!

A better "game" you say, absolutely ruined by floppy, sloppy, slughish, and whatever else, physics. Pretty much undriveable and hence the reason for the fatal reviews and sales numbers. It was rated bad, the sales were bad, it meant the death of the shift franchise - you seriously want to say it was good?


Shift 2 was an experience, which was in hindsight just a huge waste of money and time.


Btw, I guess you're not going to buy GT6 in this case?

Yes, Shift 2 is a great game and no I'm not getting GT6 since I already have the bashed and badly reviewed GT5 and I don't want more DLC for it...

I'm guessing you had a better experience than me with GT5 right? like the AI or the sounds, the damage? Those have got be great in GT5/6 for you to bash Shift 2, seriously lol...

I also love how you conveniently take the few points out of my post that you think you can debate, lol.
Do you have any words on the ''Works'' part? The night time on most of the tracks?

 

[Earth]

PepeMickey just expects more because hes seen more is possible after playing other racers

Gran Turismo use to be my favorite because it use to have the best graphics, along with the biggest car lists. Now it has neither and is falling behind more and more while doing very little to catch back up.

I voted poor in the poll. The visuals arent good enough compared to next gen, in fact they're sloppy at best even for current gen standards. Huge problems like AI, sound, damage, crash physics, and no fun are still there. They've improved the physics which were far and away the best part of GT5, so that does nothing for me going forward.

Me, PepeMickey and others arent satisfied with GT5.5, we want more. As long as only the minority demands more, you will continue to get less from Polyphony Digital as they have no reason to do better.

 

[dr_slump]

Yes, Shift 2 is a great game and no I'm not getting GT6 since I already have the bashed and badly reviewed GT5 and I don't want more DLC for it...

I'm guessing you had a better experiences than me with GT5 right? like the AI or the sounds, the damage? Those have got be great in GT5/6 for you to bash Shift 2, seriously lol...

I played GT5 and Shift 2. All I can say Shift 2 was garbage in my eyes.

Funny thing is Shift 2 got worse ratings than GT5.

I voted poor in the poll. The visuals arent good enough compared to next gen,

It's ridiculous to expect it to look like next gen titles.

 

[lldantell]

Good.the graphics,menus,gameplay is a big improvement compare to gt5 but I have to get used to the cars handling because it rolls and less stable then I thought

 

[Earth]

It's ridiculous to expect it to look like next gen titles.

At E3 many people said it looked better then Drive Club. So its them hyping it not me. Part of my purchase decision will be whether or not I find the graphics tolerable compared to next gen. At the moment thats a no

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I agree with those who say shift 2 is garbage, and to think i actually paid money for that piece of ..... The handling with the wheel was the worst of any game I have ever played. The graphics were sub standard at best and overall I hated it.

 

[PepeMickey]

I played GT5 and Shift 2. All I can say Shift 2 was garbage in my eyes.

Funny thing is Shift 2 got worse ratings than GT5.


It's ridiculous to expect it to look like next gen titles.

Even funnier, Call of Duty gets higher ratings than anything else, might be one of the top 3 highest rated franchises ever, I wonder how legit is that. Hey the Nintendo Wii had the most sales this gen...I wonder how many people uses that thing nowadays.

Psy and Justin Bieber (yes, the JB argument) have millions and millions of views on YT and sell like crazy...They must be the best artists the planet Earth has ever had.

Earth...Wow I didn't know that about E3, did people seriously say that?

 

[eran0004]

Me, PepeMickey and others arent satisfied with GT5.5, we want more. As long as only the minority demands more, you will continue to get less from Polyphony Digital as they have no reason to do better.

Looks like you downloaded the wrong demo. The rest of use are talking about GT6.

Even funnier, Call of Duty gets higher ratings than anything else, might be one of the top 3 highest rated franchises ever, I wonder how legit is that. Hey the Nintendo Wii had the most sales this gen...I wonder how many people uses that thing nowadays.

Psy and Justin Bieber (yes, the JB argument) have millions and millions of views on YT and sell like crazy...They must be the best artists the planet Earth has ever had.

You said yourself that GT5 had poor ratings. And then when it turns out your favourite has worse ratings, suddently ratings are flawed. That's funny.

Nintendo Wii is a great console. It doesn't do the same thing as the PS3 or the Xbox360, but it's by far the best at what it aims to be and that is why it sold well.

As for Youtube, this may come as a surprise for you, but it hasn't existed for very long and it's not used by everyone on the planet, so view counts there is not an accurate way of measuring all-time popularity. But amongst the people using youtube, Justin Bieber is arguably one of the most popular artists. Just because you doesn't like him doesn't mean that he is objectively bad.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I agree with those who say shift 2 is garbage, and to think i actually paid money for that piece of .....

Shift 2 was pure garbage and I'm so glad its dead, nobody won't have to waste their money on that blasted game with its **** physics like I did....

Better than GT5 my 🤬!!!!

lol, that's better.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Did anyone feel weird playing the game with the classic controls?

Had a nostalgia streak in me for about a lap before I got annoyed by accelerating when I meant to shift up. Then I got even more annoyed when I remember it's in automatic.

 

[PepeMickey]

At E3 many people said it looked better then Drive Club. So its them hyping it not me. Part of my purchase decision will be whether or not I find the graphics tolerable compared to next gen. At the moment thats a no

Looks like you downloaded the wrong demo. The rest of use are talking about GT6.



You said yourself that GT5 had poor ratings. And then when it turns out your favourite has worse ratings, suddently ratings are flawed. That's funny.

Nintendo Wii is a great console. It doesn't do the same thing as the PS3 or the Xbox360, but it's by far the best at what it aims to be and that is why it sold well.

As for Youtube, this may come as a surprise for you, but it hasn't existed for very long and it's not used by everyone on the planet, so view counts there is not an accurate way of measuring all-time popularity. But amongst the people using youtube, Justin Bieber is arguably one of the most popular artists. Just because you doesn't like him doesn't mean that he is objectively bad.

Do you know what sarcasm is?

 

[Leo0308]

Seems more of the same. As seen I won't buy GT6.

 

[eran0004]

Do you know what sarcasm is?

No, please tell me.

 

[HuskyGT]

And I'm going to lol harder, I can boot up my Shift 2 and start looking at the track list, oh man, Mount Panorama? Hockeinheim? Spa? Brands Hatch? Road America? Willow Springs? Silverstone? Monza? Laguna Seca? Suzuka? Catalunya? ROUEN?!! 50's Silverstone and Monza?! and so much more?!!....No WAY?!!...wait is that track list real?...hell yes it's real and with night time on 80 to 90% of the tracks.

Then take a look at my customized cars, my works converted cars, did I say that the Works upgrade is available on ALL CARS? did I?

Then take a spin against real challenging AI while hearing some sweet engine notes and actually feeling the danger of racing because I know that if I lose it, the race is over and a huge metalic boom with parts flying around and my driver screaming for his life might be a little too much and might make the poeple in the house a bit nervous.

Shift 2 is a better ''game'' than GTx-number, all you need is a good setup and a bit of tuning knowledge, nothing you can't find on these forums.

I'm also going to lol harder because I keep looking for new experiences while you stay on your boring and stale GT forever, now that's really funny.

And again, I will agree with Forza just to show you that I'm not contradicting you for fun. But Shift, man? That thing is nothing but a polished turd. Yes, it has a lot of customization options, tracks, good car selection, but what is all this good for if the game is completely broken in physics, sound and graphics? What good it is if it's unplayable? I have Shift 1 and 2 and honestly I couldn't withstand it for more than a couple of weeks. It's just a painful and unnecessarily frustrating experience.

If a game that has so many features make me want to throw it to the garbage just weeks after purchasing it, then there is something wrong. If a Boring and stale game like GT makes me go back to it for years until the next one is released, then there is something damn good about it.

 

[roamer2629]

I guess for some of us it's only about the driving: I got Dirt 3 last year and it was a very enjoyable game, modern looks and menus, very long single player experience, but couldn't tell one car from another when driving. The AI was much better than GT5, but agressive enough to ruin your race very often,in fact too often.
Gran Turismo has its flaws and we all know this, but in my humble opinion its not the best, but the only racing game for playstation that might deserve the "Simulation" motto. Flying leaves around, better looking skies, will never make it for me. It's all about the driving, and taking a sports car with cockpit view to the Nurg at night will always make me a happy guy...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes, Shift 2 is a great game and no I'm not getting GT6 since I already have the bashed and badly reviewed GT5 and I don't want more DLC for it...

I'm guessing you had a better experience than me with GT5 right? like the AI or the sounds, the damage? Those have got be great in GT5/6 for you to bash Shift 2, seriously lol...

I also love how you conveniently take the few points out of my post that you think you can debate, lol.
Do you have any words on the ''Works'' part? The night time on most of the tracks?

What you fail to acknowledge is that other people playing GT5 have different priorities than you do. The AI was irrelevant to me for example, I have no interest in playing offline, but I have many friends that have tried the game and find the AI challenging. Damage I don't care about, I drive cars to shave tenths off a lap or compete with others, not crash. The sounds were a concern for me and I hope for improvement in that area and they do detract from the game, but I'm not willing to flush the rest of the game that I like down the drain because of inferior sounds. People go on and on about the jaggies but I'd bet the majority of people just don't care, they are more concerned about the feel of the game, the car selection etc. and aren't looking at the shadows, they are looking at the track ahead of them.

You have your issues you are passionate about and that's fine, just realize not all of us are as concerned about the same things and if we are, we aren't as dramatic about it as you are. Many people can see faults and still work with GT5 and be positive about it.

I guess for some of us it's only about the driving: I got Dirt 3 last year and it was a very enjoyable game, modern looks and menus, very long single player experience, but couldn't tell one car from another when driving. The AI was much better than GT5, but agressive enough to ruin your race very often,in fact too often.
Gran Turismo has its flaws and we all know this, but in my humble opinion its not the best, but the only racing game for playstation that might deserve the "Simulation" motto. Flying leaves around, better looking skies, will never make it for me. It's all about the driving, and taking a sports car with cockpit view to the Nurg at night will always make me a happy guy...

Well said:tup:👍 For most of us the driving is the shizzle of the game. The enjoyment of the game comes from hopping into cars you like, driving circuits you like, tweaking setups, shaving time, executing that perfect corner or series of corners, none of which has to do with birds and leaves...lol.

 

[dr_slump]

Even funnier, Call of Duty gets higher ratings than anything else, might be one of the top 3 highest rated franchises ever, I wonder how legit is that. Hey the Nintendo Wii had the most sales this gen...I wonder how many people uses that thing nowadays.

Psy and Justin Bieber (yes, the JB argument) have millions and millions of views on YT and sell like crazy...They must be the best artists the planet Earth has ever had.

Maybe you think you're cool to be one of the COD, Wii, etc haters. Because that's "for kids" and "so baaaad" and whatever else and you're one of the sooo awesome "elite" by saying that.

You can say whatever you want, they must be doing something right. Perhaps it's something not so obvious in your eyes or even generally seen in objective terms, but nothing sells because of nothing.

I didn't buy the latest COD titles anymore, I have no Wii (Although I think it's a great console in many aspects. I even consider buying a Wii U, mainly for all those excellent Mario and co. games.), never been a fanboy of artists such as PSY and by god I'm no fan of Bieber (which is the german word for biever - that kills it ).

All in all you can't deny their success, something you can't say about the Shift 2 desaster.

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If GT6 can get the a-spec mode to something as good as in GT3 and GT4, I would be more than happy. For a looooong time...
I played no other game as long as GT5 and if GT6 is going to be overall better, dear god help me!

AI was hopefully not final and the difficulty on purpose thaaaaat low. I have no worries about the visual aspect though. It doesn't look that bad in 1080 and it's not unusual for early builds.

 

[PepeMickey]

Well not really, I do play COD from time to time perhaps more than I play Battlefield but I can see from miles away why BF is better. I never owned a Wii but I enjoyed playing some of the exclusives at a friends house.

As it comes to Shift 2, I like GT and I like many other racing games, I've played GT the most through my entire gamer life but that doesn't mean it's my favorite game or that I like everything about it. If I see something better elsewhere then I'm going to say it and whine about it if necessary so I never judge by sales or popularity. I judge for what they are and how they perform, no names, no platforms and I bet that if GT5 as it is had to build its success from scratch as a an unknown title it would've flopped hard, really hard.

So the point here is that GT fans are so out of touch that they excuse the unexcusable, they are willing to tolerate stuff that they wouldn't in other games just because it's GT.

When you objectively compare GT with their competitors you see that GT is lacking really bad and there really isn't anything special about it anymore.

What used to be GT's main selling point? the realistic graphics? Is GT the only one nowadays? The answer is no so GT is generic or average at best in this case.

The Physics? Is GT the most realistic simulator nowadays? Actually, Has it ever been "The real driving simulator" a true simulator? No, again, nothing stands out but that doesn't make it bad it just makes it average and those are the biggest positives in GT5.

Then it starts getting really bad
Sounds? you know the answer...hopefully.

Track/Car list? I would objectively say average.

AI? mediocre at best.

Features like weather, customization? Again, already done elsewhere and with better results which puts GT below average.

Online? It's basically a whole gen behind everyone else so it goes from mediocre to worst on the list.

This is of course a very generic list but even if I went into full detail the answers would remain the same. I would like to see an explanarion of why GT is better than its competitors point by point, feature by feature. What makes it special? What makes it sell 2 or 3 times more than its competitors.

I already know the answer and it's the name Gran Turismo that makes it sell like it does but I would still like somebody to show me a true explanation with a convincing argument of why GT gets a hall pass every time somebody points out a flaw where other games get destroyed and bashed. Example.

Shift 2 has broken graphics, sounds and physics so it's a piece garbage.

GT5 still has broken graphics, even worse sounds and physics are deeply flawed but somehow nobody seems to bring that up, only Shift 2 deserves to be called garbage because it did something wrong but not GT5 (which did much more things wrong)....Does that make sense?

And then some people have the nerve to call us "whiners" when we see real problems and we bring the out for discussion. Anyway, sorry for the long post but I think it needs to be said, not that it will make a difference but please open your eyes people..

 

[phil_75]

Well said Pepe!

The main reason COD is more popular and nicer to play even though Battlefield 3 beats it in just about every other area is down to the 60fps of COD over BF3's 30fps.

If BF4 runs at 60fps on PS4 i will guarantee you it will beat COD in sales and be the number 1 shooter.

PD needs to get the framerate at a solid 60 before adding any effects but it looks like they have gone backwards and added more effects to the detriment of framerate and therefore playability/smoothness.

 

[Johnnypenso]

...wall of text...

And then some people have the nerve to call us "whiners" when we see real problems and we bring the out for discussion. Anyway, sorry for the long post but I think it needs to be said, not that it will make a difference but please open your eyes people..

People call you a whiner because you come across as the be all and end all of everything that is important in GT5. Again, your priorities with the game are not the priorities of every gamer, I daresay not even the majority of GT5'ers who are not hardcore gamers. My brother plays the game and drives almost exclusively racecars and never goes online. My nephew has the most fun driving his Mother's Mazda Protégé and his Dad's Dodge Ram. My sister-in-law likes to drive her own car and the Ford Focus because that's the car she wants next. I think I'm pretty safe in saying they never noticed any jaggies and probably could care less about 95% of what is wrong with GT5.

It's not a hardcore racing sim, and that's the standard you hold it up to. Most of us don't. Your position is akin to someone saying, "I bought a Camaro, why doesn't it corner like a Ferrari, they are both sports cars?" GT5 is not a Ferrari, it's a Camaro or a Mazda RX-8. Good at a lot of things, doesn't excel at most things. Your wanting it to be a Ferrari or comparing it to a Ferrari is futile at best, and generally a complete waste of time.

 

[Earth]

When your the flagship title of Playstation with seemingly unlimited development time and a $80M budget at your disposal, people have every right to expect more

Gran Turismo 5 is only 2 points above Shift 2 on Metacritic. And again given Gran Turismo 5's five year development time and $80m budget, its unacceptable

 

[avens]

As GT Academy 2013, 9/10.

As a demo -what we can expect of the final game-, 7/10. It still isn't a polished GT5 in all aspects, just a portion of them.

 

[finnracer]

Good, lots of potential and reminds me of GT4 (a good thing) in UI and the general off track feel. New physics feel great and the graphics are improved more than expected. Downsides are mainly some of the visual glitches (shadows, frame rate etc). Can't wait for the final product though.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Some graphical differences, but otherwise pretty much the same as GT5, except the physics, which are much improved and more realistic in IMO.

I didn't have the frame rate problems others have commented on, but they were present fairly often in GT5 races.
The screen may not have been crowded enough in the demo, maybe.
Since others have already noticed it, it's likely this issue will carry over into GT6.