Polyphony Digital Inc. (PDI) and FIA to Form Long-term Partnership
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- Neomone
Even if the tracks were inaccurate, where's the corruption? PD get what they want, the FIA name on the box. FIA get what they want, access to a new market of motorsport enthusiasts.
That's not corrupt, that's business.
We know that not all the tracks are even up to the best standards available today, because they're not all laser scanned. That hasn't stopped the FIA from certifying them, which tends to indicate that they're happy as long as it's a reasonable representation. Which is fine, but it means that it's a business partnership, not the FIA certifying how awesome GT's tracks are.
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I want you to prove that claim.
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- Johnnypenso
iRacing has 50,000 dedicated members doing their own completely different thing, and financially probably wouldn't be in the market to pay $$$$ for a rubber stamp. I doubt even Forza would care much as the game is much more focused on the American market and they'd be more concerned about U.S. based series. It's a nice thing to have, but if the core game doesn't change significantly as a result or coincidentally, it's the same game with a different badge on the screen.
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so I think it means this feature will be available soon on GT6. and why is someone still say about GT7?
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- Johnnypenso
Track certification by the FIA means PD wrote a cheque and now can use the FIA logo on some tracks in the game. This could be done on GT5, 6 or any other version of the game. It's a virtual rubber stamp.so I think it means this feature will be available soon on GT6. and why is someone still say about GT7?
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- OriginalCheezIt
With a virtual online championship that may rival GT Academy in terms of sheer scale, credibility, and ultimate results, perhaps placing Gran Turismo on a pedestal as the pinnacle of driving simulation and as a gold standard for the legitimacy of the virtual-to-reality progression of motorsport for many years to come...
Pretty nice rubber stamp ya got there, Kaz...
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- lator-illa
Fair enough, and rightly so, you guys have earned the right to be skeptics. Myself included have been disappointed by the failed promises of PD, but this one feels different. I feel like something bigger will come out of this.
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Unless you have information as to which course were or were not laser scanned this is hyperbole. Just because a track was laser scanned does not automatically make it FIA certifiable, it has to stand up to their scrutiny, or did you miss the part where the checked the data against their actual track data.
Project Cars laser scanned their courses but did you know that they embellished a bit on the Nurburgring because the accuracy of the in game course does not convey the deep lows like real life. So laser scanning sounds nice and all but if the data is checked to actual data and doesn't fall within the margin of error then it's no good for FIA stamp now is it?
This is reasoning for being cynical and pessimistic, yet others want to tell those who don't share their view that they shouldn't be optimistic?!? This is where I have an issue with naysayers, what gives you all the right to tell others what they should and should not feel optimistic about? You want to be pessimistic fine, but don't tell someone they are delusional or naive for being optimistic, that is their choice just like you choose to see the bad they choose to not let that be what you measure everything by.
It matters not to many if they(PD) do something with it or it's just another useless sticker on the case or bullet point in a slide show...what is so wrong with expressing optimism in something you like or believe in? I don't see the crime here, do you? There is no need to tell someone to curb their enthusiasm, it's their prerogative and god given right to be as happy or sullen as they want. The past does not say who you(PD) are, but who you(PD) were...the future is yet to be written so why think ill of a place in time not yet reached? Going forward there is always the possibility to change and become better, to stay stagnant or to regress.
A good question is, what is it to you(pessimistic attitude folks) that people are optimistic at all? Is it bothering you that other people can be happy or that they don't seem to care that PD and Kaz has missed the mark many times? I honestly do not get why you guys feel the need to chide someone for being optimistic, that is incredibly confusing to me and probably a whole lot of others. Life has lots of disappointments, thing is you can get over them it's a part of learning and growing and experiencing this fascinating existence. Don't assume that they are blindly optimistic, they could be quite reserved but their minds like mine love to envision more than just par for the course is all. Not saying you can't be how you want to be, just want to know why you guys feel the need to tell others to stop being so happy, you could end up sad or disappointed...nice gesture but you're definitely going about it the wrong way.
Sorry for the off topic secondary post but I left and came back and I see people posting more pessimistic things and basically chiding optimistic people for being happy or satisfied or hopeful...it's worrying to me at least.
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- Neomone
That's not how it works. The null hypothesis is that they weren't laser scanned. Unless there's further evidence that all four of those tracks were, then the assumption is that not all of them were.
I agree that laser scanning doesn't automatically make a track certifiable. It does make it demonstrably accurate however, and unless the FIA have a laser scan to compare it to then I don't see how they're in a position to judge accuracy. When they say "checked against track data", what exactly does that mean? Blueprints? Aerial shots? Are we to take their word that they eyeballed it and thought it looked pretty good?
The FIA certify what they want to certify, and in the absence of further information, they seem comfortable to certify stuff that is not at the forefront of accuracy that current technology is capable of delivering. Ergo, accuracy is not one of their main concerns when certifying a track.
What level of inaccuracy they would consider to be acceptable is debatable, and we won't know until we find out how they actually checked the accuracy, or someone at the FIA tells us.
pCARS did not laser scan the Nurburgring. They have four courses that are laser scanned, and the Nurburgring isn't one of them.
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- jimipitbull
These negativity drones can't catch a break, PD just keeps proving them wrong.
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Don't. Start, @jimipitbull.
You jumped the fence, started batting for the other team. You don't need me to say I told you so.
Right, because with this deal PD just instantly improved all aspects of the game, licensed every car and track everyone wanted and GT is now perfect, proving us all wrong. No. It's a possibility of some improvement or changes in the future, nothing more yet.
Like I said earlier this COULD turn out great but at the moment its nothing. People are getting carried away with their imaginations running wild.
- Certified tracks
- Online championship
That is all we know so far. For anything else, we wait.
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It does give a bit of a pioneer aspect in the industry. It's always better to be the first to do something.
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If you read the blog carefully, you'll notice they never actually said the 2015 championship thingy is on GT6 for PS3. There's a small chance we'll get GT7 at the end of this year and have the FIA Championship thingy on next-gen.
/speculation
/speculation
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If it isn't in GT6 I think a free standalone 'demo' like GTA s more likely than a full GT7.
Selfish for a gamer wanting to know how a deal from a video game developer affects a video game? Right. I'm not asking for more, i'm saying until we know more it's impossible to say how good this partnership will be for Gran Turismo the videogame, which is what we're here for, not how proud the developer feels.
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Its amusing to see how many people are expecting a spell to be cast by the FIA and suddenly all cars and tracks that feature in FIA sanctioned events around the world to magically appear in GT6/7.
Each and every car will still need a licensing agreement with it's manufacturer, and meetings with track owners will still be needed before any new tracks will be licensed too.
Formula one will not suddenly arrive as free dlc just because the FIA click their fingers.
But we will get an FIA logo on the GT7 box.
And maybe we will also get some select FIA championships with official rules and regulations of each series, that doesn't mean every single car and livery and circuit in that championship automatically gets added (remember the WRC license in GT5?).
Hopefully this will mean better access for PD to get all those tracks, race cars and championships you always wanted to see in a GT game, but get overly ambitious and you will inevitably end up disappointed.
Each and every car will still need a licensing agreement with it's manufacturer, and meetings with track owners will still be needed before any new tracks will be licensed too.
Formula one will not suddenly arrive as free dlc just because the FIA click their fingers.
But we will get an FIA logo on the GT7 box.
And maybe we will also get some select FIA championships with official rules and regulations of each series, that doesn't mean every single car and livery and circuit in that championship automatically gets added (remember the WRC license in GT5?).
Hopefully this will mean better access for PD to get all those tracks, race cars and championships you always wanted to see in a GT game, but get overly ambitious and you will inevitably end up disappointed.
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- Johnnypenso
Which mean nothing to me or you in terms of gameplay. In case you missed it, GTAcademy is a Time Trial. For the winner and the top guys it's great, wonderful stuff. For 99.9% of the rest of us, it's just another TT.
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I wonder what they thought of the "80s" tracks.
Nice swerve from the topic there. Yes, communication is good but as I've said several times, until we know more details it's unclear how valuable this will be to us, the gamer.
Nice swerve from the topic there. Yes, communication is good but as I've said several times, until we know more details it's unclear how valuable this will be to us, the gamer.
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Sure, it might be "just another TT" for right now, but I'm willing to bet that the current influence PD has over the auto industry (I.e. 29 manufacturers and world renowned brands willing to make high-profile concept cars specifically for GT with all outside automotive forces being secondary markets) was a direct result of their relatively minor (at least at the time) presence at SEMA, Concours d'Elegance, Goodwood, and the creation of GT Academy.
PD already has their foot in the door; the FIA endorsement just might allow them to kick that door down in 6 inch heels.
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If the four tracks had been Silverstone, Bathurst, Brands and Red Bull Ring, I wouldn't have said a word. Bathurst we know they have laser data for at the very least. They probably do for Silverstone and Brands, although I don't recall seeing an announcement as such.
Suzuka on the other hand dates back to GT5P, with fairly minor modifications at best. At that time laser scanning was extremely rare. iRacing was the first "game" to use it in serious quantity that I'm aware of, and it wasn't even released at that point. If Suzuka was laser scanned, then any moderately competent marketing department would have had a field day with that.
I know I'm negative a lot, but even I don't think Polyphony and Sony are so stupid as to miss a marketing opportunity like that.
So Suzuka is the odd one out, by a lot. Either Suzuka somehow has been brought up to the quality of the other three without anyone noticing, or actually the quality of Silverstone, Bathurst and Brands aren't all that different from Suzuka circa 2007.
Personally, I doubt the FIA cares whether every little bump is modelled. As long as the track goes the right way, and the surrounding safety features and amenities are in place, I doubt they have a problem certifying it.
I do find it slightly odd that the version of Suzuka they certified has the video game version of a concrete wall blocking the escape road at Casio. In real life, that would be a significant safety concern were there to be a brake failure.
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Where in any press release does it say these are the tracks currently in GT6?
The FIA went to PD headquarters to view highly accurate models of these four tracks and they matched with the data the FIA has.
Could be the Suzuka we drive in GT6 or could be one being created for GT7.
Also show me some promotion by Sony or PD of laser scanning Bathurst, pretty sure it was a gtplanet member who lived near the track who got us that little gem, so which tracks are or are not scanned is not clear.
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