Porn: good or bad?
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I don't mind it but i don't watch it... it bugs me... my poor brain!
edit: i meant i don't find it offensive =p
edit: i meant i don't find it offensive =p
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- Somebodyshootme
I pretty much watch it everyday. (free on Free-per-view for me) I don't really find it degrading or anything, I understand why others would, but it is how some women decide to make a living. I know that pretty much anything done on pron is more centered for eye candy then anything. There is no shot in the dark I would do 80% of the stuff that happens on it to women. Porn is based more around the fetish then anything. Places they do it, ways they do it, things they use when they do it, etc. Personnally I am very open to new things with women and if the woman/women is accepting of it, I like video taping it to. That got me in trouble with an ex when she found previous tapes.
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I'm not discussing exactly how I voted, though I did vote.
Pornography is not, in and of itself, offensive. I believe it should be kept from all children. I wouldn't have a problem with my 15 year old seeing pictures of naked people, but I do believe that people under 18 should not have access to images showing actual sexual contact. Let me clarify that - I mean "outside an educational setting". I think sex education is very important and I would approve of simple line drawings depicting sex if used as part of a health class.
Pornography is junk food entertainment. Some people enjoy those empty calories, some don't. The consumers should be free to decide for themselves what they watch or don't. Some people need it as their only outlet, some people just like it, some people are naturally curious about sexual activity in others. Watching it doesn't mean you're a lowlife and it doesn't mean you secretly want to cheat on your partner. It is also not without repercussions if you take it too seriously, and must be kept in healthy perspective.
That being said, I do think the porn industry is too focused on weirdness and fake ideals. While this is true in many forms of entertainment, it would be nice to see a subject that is so pleasant and interesting in its natural state treated a little more naturally.
I also think that the porn industry is too focused on the portrayal of sex as an expression of power. This is the least glamourous and most emotionally disturbing part of sex and to see it institutionalized is a disappointment. Yes, there are fetishists to whom sex is all about power... and that's OK, as long as all parties are there of their own free will. But I think it is (again) more natural to portray sex in a delightful spirit of mutual cooperation rather than as an ugly game of "lets see what I can make you do".
While there is nothing inherent in pornography that leads to that latter interpretation, it does seem to be a common enough theme that it leads to the incorrect generalization that "pronography is degrading to women".
Pornography is not, in and of itself, offensive. I believe it should be kept from all children. I wouldn't have a problem with my 15 year old seeing pictures of naked people, but I do believe that people under 18 should not have access to images showing actual sexual contact. Let me clarify that - I mean "outside an educational setting". I think sex education is very important and I would approve of simple line drawings depicting sex if used as part of a health class.
Pornography is junk food entertainment. Some people enjoy those empty calories, some don't. The consumers should be free to decide for themselves what they watch or don't. Some people need it as their only outlet, some people just like it, some people are naturally curious about sexual activity in others. Watching it doesn't mean you're a lowlife and it doesn't mean you secretly want to cheat on your partner. It is also not without repercussions if you take it too seriously, and must be kept in healthy perspective.
That being said, I do think the porn industry is too focused on weirdness and fake ideals. While this is true in many forms of entertainment, it would be nice to see a subject that is so pleasant and interesting in its natural state treated a little more naturally.
I also think that the porn industry is too focused on the portrayal of sex as an expression of power. This is the least glamourous and most emotionally disturbing part of sex and to see it institutionalized is a disappointment. Yes, there are fetishists to whom sex is all about power... and that's OK, as long as all parties are there of their own free will. But I think it is (again) more natural to portray sex in a delightful spirit of mutual cooperation rather than as an ugly game of "lets see what I can make you do".
While there is nothing inherent in pornography that leads to that latter interpretation, it does seem to be a common enough theme that it leads to the incorrect generalization that "pronography is degrading to women".
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Nope don't watch it ..that don't mean i havn't watched it but it's just no for me
I'd rather have the real deal anyday
I'd rather have the real deal anyday
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I voted "i do not find it offensive but i do not view it."
I just don't like to watch two or more people doing it.
EDIT: and i don't like watching one person doing it either.
I just don't like to watch two or more people doing it.
EDIT: and i don't like watching one person doing it either.
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Allright, wiseguys!
I changed it
I changed it
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After youve been married for 10 years a little porn can be usefull. The only problem with porn is its subjective..whats porn to you is not always porn to me, For example I have friends who are of sound mind that think MTV videos are porn. If you took someone from the fifties and brought them through time to the present they would think EVERYTHING on tv is porn. We have come a long way from not being able to show a pregnant women on tv to a lesbian kiss.
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ok, this is exactly what i wanted! a healthy discussion about people's opinions about porn. hmm i noticed my thread was opened and closed a number a times, starange i never seen that done here 
ANYWAY! you see, my step dad would let me view porn, he don't see anything wrong with me watching it. but my mom, she thinks that everyone must be at least 18 to watch that. are your parents that way?
BTW, who ever said i should be banned forever can go to hell
ANYWAY! you see, my step dad would let me view porn, he don't see anything wrong with me watching it. but my mom, she thinks that everyone must be at least 18 to watch that. are your parents that way?
BTW, who ever said i should be banned forever can go to hell
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at least everyone has been mature about this (with the exception of sandstorm 
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Originally posted by MazKid
I donno Josh...just wanted to please the people.
Becides, the other thing was educationally geared. This is not.
I'll open it up again just fer you Josh.
umm what exactly are you talking about?Originally posted by Attila_Da_Hun
That was part of the discussion - there was debate as to where exactly this fell under the Acceptable Use policy. It's done - ignore it.
I'd have almost been disappointed if we didn't have some immature comment from Sandstorm!
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i'de have 2 agree withy ou
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On the subject of porn:
Those of you who think it's just dandy, follow me thru this mind game.
Imagine your mother or sister.
Imagine her naked with some man you've never seen before, doing the things that they do in porno mags and films.
Imagine ALL your friends viewing it. And discussing it with you. Remember every woman in those magazines and films is someone's sister, daughter, mom, etc.
Now that you've done that...Is porn good or bad?
Those of you who think it's just dandy, follow me thru this mind game.
Imagine your mother or sister.
Imagine her naked with some man you've never seen before, doing the things that they do in porno mags and films.
Imagine ALL your friends viewing it. And discussing it with you. Remember every woman in those magazines and films is someone's sister, daughter, mom, etc.
Now that you've done that...Is porn good or bad?
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Eh, it still depends.
I once saw an interview with Seka, who was an old-school Scandinavian porno actress from the 70s. She basically said, "I love sex - I mean, love it - and I'd be doing this stuff anyway just for fun. Why not get paid for it?" The interviewer then tried to make her out to be a prostitute, to which her reply was "Didn't you hear me? I'd have the sex for free. I just get paid to let them film it."
She was utterly unashamed and very content with her life. In fact, she was a fair bit happier and more contented than my actual sisters. I find that hard to argue with or find fault in.
Now, of course, there are those who are desperate and will do anything for a couple hundred bucks. I don't imagine they are very happy, and I pity them. Then again, based on what I wrote above, I wouldn't enjoy watching that particular film anyway.
I once saw an interview with Seka, who was an old-school Scandinavian porno actress from the 70s. She basically said, "I love sex - I mean, love it - and I'd be doing this stuff anyway just for fun. Why not get paid for it?" The interviewer then tried to make her out to be a prostitute, to which her reply was "Didn't you hear me? I'd have the sex for free. I just get paid to let them film it."
She was utterly unashamed and very content with her life. In fact, she was a fair bit happier and more contented than my actual sisters. I find that hard to argue with or find fault in.
Now, of course, there are those who are desperate and will do anything for a couple hundred bucks. I don't imagine they are very happy, and I pity them. Then again, based on what I wrote above, I wouldn't enjoy watching that particular film anyway.
Well, the best comment on this sort of stuff, coming at it from an economist's point of view - 'Demand has a way of getting fulfilled' - you just need to look at porn, booze, drugs and gambling to realise that even the law is no real impediment to consumer demand getting what it wants.
...and I must admit that it is this aspect of the adult film industry I find most troubling. There are numerous stories of female performers who have started out stripping, get involved in bad relationships and drugs and seem to get caught on this downward spiral that leads them into the porn industry.
I'm all for people doing what they want with their bodies, and in your example, Duke, I have no issue with that - it's the 'exploitation' side of it that causes me issues.
My partner just can't get over how fake it all is. She just rolls her eyes.
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Agreed. But, 'exploitation' is in the eye of the beholder. People who get themselves in desperate straits will do desperate things... on camera or off. She could be robbing banks, instead.
Well, see my comments about "naturalness" above. I never even watched Baywatch for longer than it took to find the TV remote.
With all of the above in mind, it's never going to hold a candle to the real thing.
The exploitation isn't only happening to the actors or models in the magazines and movies. It's happening to every woman (or man). We start thinking of women (or men) like we see them in the movies magazines, etc...
If you don't believe me then look back to what society viewed as an attractive woman before the media started playing up women like Marilyn Monroe.
Even though we want to think we are able to seperate ourselves from what we view it isn't that easy to do.
If we see something on the screen that sexually stimulates us (wheather that thing is a Woman or a sexual act) we begin to desire it.
IMO that degrades women and men and the act of sex.
That's just my opinion.
If you don't believe me then look back to what society viewed as an attractive woman before the media started playing up women like Marilyn Monroe.
Even though we want to think we are able to seperate ourselves from what we view it isn't that easy to do.
If we see something on the screen that sexually stimulates us (wheather that thing is a Woman or a sexual act) we begin to desire it.
IMO that degrades women and men and the act of sex.
That's just my opinion.
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As I said, "junk food entertainment". Not inherently any more or any less than that. And as I noted above, it has repercussions if you take it too seriously.
For what it's worth, Marilyn Monroe actually had a very healthy figure in the truest sense of the word. She probably weighed 50 pounds more than the current crop of stick-figures-with-fake-boobs clones that is portrayed by the media as "ideal". I must add that I find virtually none of the popular celebrities/models attractive at all.
Just playing Devil's advocate.
For what it's worth, Marilyn Monroe actually had a very healthy figure in the truest sense of the word. She probably weighed 50 pounds more than the current crop of stick-figures-with-fake-boobs clones that is portrayed by the media as "ideal". I must add that I find virtually none of the popular celebrities/models attractive at all.
Just playing Devil's advocate.
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