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that kills me, i don't understandwhy people can't be happy with the way they were born. I pity most people wo load their bodies up with sylicone (Sp?) to make them more attractive. i prefere the "natural chicks" more then the "plastic chick".
Porn: good or bad?
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Pako
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It all has to do with the 'value' that our society has placed on the 'perfect' body and all the success that comes with it.
Sex is natural, healthy, and necessary for the survival of our human race (leave cloning, and artificial insemination aside). Porn has no natural or healthy use for the consumer. People can say it's good for relationships, but I fail to see their point. How is it healthy to be making love to your wife, all the while, thinking of 'Veronica' from that smut you just got done watching. How is it healthy to build unrealistic expectations from what you've watched expect the same kind of activities from your spouse or significant other.
It's a shame that, as a society, we feel compelled to justify 'EVERYTHING' as long as it doesn't anyone. That's just a bunch of crap.
Just because no body got 'hurt' doesn't mean we have to justify it. Perhaps I'm just one of the lucky ones, but I would hate to think to in order to get aroused by my wife, I would first have to get aroused by some cheap display of what sex is being portrayed as.
Porn is baaad, ummmmmm kay! Porn is baaad.
Sex is natural, healthy, and necessary for the survival of our human race (leave cloning, and artificial insemination aside). Porn has no natural or healthy use for the consumer. People can say it's good for relationships, but I fail to see their point. How is it healthy to be making love to your wife, all the while, thinking of 'Veronica' from that smut you just got done watching. How is it healthy to build unrealistic expectations from what you've watched expect the same kind of activities from your spouse or significant other.
It's a shame that, as a society, we feel compelled to justify 'EVERYTHING' as long as it doesn't anyone. That's just a bunch of crap.
Just because no body got 'hurt' doesn't mean we have to justify it. Perhaps I'm just one of the lucky ones, but I would hate to think to in order to get aroused by my wife, I would first have to get aroused by some cheap display of what sex is being portrayed as.Porn is baaad, ummmmmm kay! Porn is baaad.
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i agree
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We get the point, SS. Is it necessary to keep making the same "contribution"? Why not join the discussion instead?
I couldn't agree further about how bad fake boobs and other artificial enhancements are. Give me flawed nature over artificial perfection any and every time.
I'm certainly not justifying porn as a "relationship enhancer" though it can serve that function for some couples. Some couples see things going on and either A) get their curiousity piqued by something they never imagined, or B) feel that since the porn couples are doing a particular thing, then it is "permissable" for them to do it as well. The psychology of inhibition and taboo is a strange thing.
The keyword here is couple. If one partner "needs" pornography in order to be aroused, then there is an issue underlying the problem, and the pornography is just a symptom.
What about couples who love each other deeply and are attracted to each other, but have very different sex drives? Should one partner be denied an outlet for those "between times", if he/she has no performance problems when the real opportunity presents itself?
Pornography can be nothing but cheap and mindless entertainment. It can also be a psychological crutch, and like any crutch, overdependency is damaging.
I couldn't agree further about how bad fake boobs and other artificial enhancements are. Give me flawed nature over artificial perfection any and every time.
I'm certainly not justifying porn as a "relationship enhancer" though it can serve that function for some couples. Some couples see things going on and either A) get their curiousity piqued by something they never imagined, or B) feel that since the porn couples are doing a particular thing, then it is "permissable" for them to do it as well. The psychology of inhibition and taboo is a strange thing.
The keyword here is couple. If one partner "needs" pornography in order to be aroused, then there is an issue underlying the problem, and the pornography is just a symptom.
What about couples who love each other deeply and are attracted to each other, but have very different sex drives? Should one partner be denied an outlet for those "between times", if he/she has no performance problems when the real opportunity presents itself?
Pornography can be nothing but cheap and mindless entertainment. It can also be a psychological crutch, and like any crutch, overdependency is damaging.
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Marylin Monroe was probably the last true sex symbol. She was accesible in that her body was not unreasonable or downright unhealthy. Yes, she had large breasts, but no medium made large breasts a desireable sex trait. Large breasts have always been a desireable sex trait. Men, from the moment they latch on as an infant, have a peculiar infatuation with breasts. The bigger they are the better they are able to fulfill their function, which is important to men.
Many models nowadays don't even have large breasts, or any at all. And many men find this attractive, which is like wanting nothing, like anorexia of desire. And I think that is a sickness in and of itself.
Many models nowadays don't even have large breasts, or any at all. And many men find this attractive, which is like wanting nothing, like anorexia of desire. And I think that is a sickness in and of itself.
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I'll side a bit with Duke here and a bit with Gil.
About two years or so ago my wife's sister was forging into her own downward spiral. Nothing bad except she was starting to dabble in heavy drugs. (heavy vs. light, not a discuss for this thread). The friends she was with and the influences shes was under were starting to worry the family. One day she found out she was pregnant, and this forced her to step back and look at ther life. She didn't know who the father was, nor could remember much about the men she had been with.
Luckily this incident shell shocked her out of the downward spiral and changed her life. The baby went up for adoption and My wife's sister has moved on to college, and a better life.
What scares us the most is that she refuses to talk about what happened in that year. I'm scared that in 5 years, my wife and I will pick out a movie to spice up our evening and find that shock. Now that's not to say that she did get involved in that lifestyle, but the potential or possiblity is definately there. That makes porn bad, as it took advantage of her situation in life to make money from her degredation.
Porn can be good, and when used/viewed in moderation it can be a benefit to most relationships. I've had friends in college who had been together for over 10 years and they had a sex life that most bachelor guys dream of. Including their own little collection. I've also had friends that had their collectino stashed away where the wife couldn't find it. They had problems with their marriage in more than a few ways. But after 10 + years they're still married.
Now the dark side. And these are only famous ones. A quick search on Google for "Dead Porn Star" and it turns up a few lists. Self inflicted gun shots, hangings, Over doses, and a few AIDS complications related deaths. This is not a pretty picture. This is what porn does to the people involved.
Now to the "unrealistic" women. Of course they are air brushed up and perfectly posed. But then again, I'm not built like the statue of David either. It all has to be kept in perspective. Sure, she's beautiful, but she's not real. Have you seen the untouched women that Hef hangs around with? I think he's got stock in revlon with the amount of make-up there. I'm surprised he lets them into the pool. On the topic of enhancements, most of these girls are carrying enough plastic to be a tupperware party. This is where a healthy self image is needed. If I were to stare at the women I see on the beach, you'd bet the missus would be thinking about her image.
My final thoughts are "Porn has a large potential to be very bad". It may sound like I'm weasling on my standing, but I'm not. Each and everyone of us will likely viewing it different and therefore it is available.
AO
About two years or so ago my wife's sister was forging into her own downward spiral. Nothing bad except she was starting to dabble in heavy drugs. (heavy vs. light, not a discuss for this thread). The friends she was with and the influences shes was under were starting to worry the family. One day she found out she was pregnant, and this forced her to step back and look at ther life. She didn't know who the father was, nor could remember much about the men she had been with.
Luckily this incident shell shocked her out of the downward spiral and changed her life. The baby went up for adoption and My wife's sister has moved on to college, and a better life.
What scares us the most is that she refuses to talk about what happened in that year. I'm scared that in 5 years, my wife and I will pick out a movie to spice up our evening and find that shock. Now that's not to say that she did get involved in that lifestyle, but the potential or possiblity is definately there. That makes porn bad, as it took advantage of her situation in life to make money from her degredation.
Porn can be good, and when used/viewed in moderation it can be a benefit to most relationships. I've had friends in college who had been together for over 10 years and they had a sex life that most bachelor guys dream of. Including their own little collection. I've also had friends that had their collectino stashed away where the wife couldn't find it. They had problems with their marriage in more than a few ways. But after 10 + years they're still married.
Now the dark side. And these are only famous ones. A quick search on Google for "Dead Porn Star" and it turns up a few lists. Self inflicted gun shots, hangings, Over doses, and a few AIDS complications related deaths. This is not a pretty picture. This is what porn does to the people involved.
Now to the "unrealistic" women. Of course they are air brushed up and perfectly posed. But then again, I'm not built like the statue of David either. It all has to be kept in perspective. Sure, she's beautiful, but she's not real. Have you seen the untouched women that Hef hangs around with? I think he's got stock in revlon with the amount of make-up there. I'm surprised he lets them into the pool. On the topic of enhancements, most of these girls are carrying enough plastic to be a tupperware party. This is where a healthy self image is needed. If I were to stare at the women I see on the beach, you'd bet the missus would be thinking about her image.
My final thoughts are "Porn has a large potential to be very bad". It may sound like I'm weasling on my standing, but I'm not. Each and everyone of us will likely viewing it different and therefore it is available.
AO
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Somebody a while back quoted a song or a song writer and the line went something like "I like my women a little trashy." I think this may be truer for more men than anybody likes to admit, or talk about in mixed company. Porn girls are obviously trashy.
Here's my confession... Yesterday I stopped at the supermarket on my way home from work. In the parking spot in front of mine a woman pushed her cart up and started unloading groceries. She was pretty trashy. I don't mean like dirty or unclean or scummy, but more like shameless. Behold... denim cut-off shorts cut off too short, enough to show the crease of her bum. A short knit shirt, above the navel, which had a lot of room to move around and fall off her shoulder and drop down while she bent over so I could see her breasts, which were held in a black bra that you could see through the knit top. She had on some kind of black shoes. Her dark hair was a little messy but short and clean. Her face looked Russian. And the real clincher was that she was not thin in any sense of the world. She had a manageable roll created by the snugness of her shorts and I liked it. Her bum was not skinny or bony but voluptuous and I may have even detected a hint of cellulite. Her breasts were ample. Her voluptuous body was awesome. So much to look at. It just happened one day; I started being disgusted with stick girls who obviously all have eating disorders, and totally turned on by real women with real bodies, provided they are gifted with good proportion and are not exessively fat. So I sat in my car and pretended to be on the phone just so I could finish watching her load her groceries. Every man who saw her looked, took note of this non-skinny, trashy girl, and tucked the memory away for some hard-up trip to the bathroom someday. I'm betting the girl is aware of all this. But "taken" women are not allowed to act as such. The old adage applies: "A lady in the dining room and a slut in the bedroom."
Does any one here agree with the theory that men who like emaciated stick girls prefer them because it makes them feel more dominant, manly, and, uh, "big," if you know what I mean? Just a thing I've wondered.
Here's my confession... Yesterday I stopped at the supermarket on my way home from work. In the parking spot in front of mine a woman pushed her cart up and started unloading groceries. She was pretty trashy. I don't mean like dirty or unclean or scummy, but more like shameless. Behold... denim cut-off shorts cut off too short, enough to show the crease of her bum. A short knit shirt, above the navel, which had a lot of room to move around and fall off her shoulder and drop down while she bent over so I could see her breasts, which were held in a black bra that you could see through the knit top. She had on some kind of black shoes. Her dark hair was a little messy but short and clean. Her face looked Russian. And the real clincher was that she was not thin in any sense of the world. She had a manageable roll created by the snugness of her shorts and I liked it. Her bum was not skinny or bony but voluptuous and I may have even detected a hint of cellulite. Her breasts were ample. Her voluptuous body was awesome. So much to look at. It just happened one day; I started being disgusted with stick girls who obviously all have eating disorders, and totally turned on by real women with real bodies, provided they are gifted with good proportion and are not exessively fat. So I sat in my car and pretended to be on the phone just so I could finish watching her load her groceries. Every man who saw her looked, took note of this non-skinny, trashy girl, and tucked the memory away for some hard-up trip to the bathroom someday. I'm betting the girl is aware of all this. But "taken" women are not allowed to act as such. The old adage applies: "A lady in the dining room and a slut in the bedroom."
Does any one here agree with the theory that men who like emaciated stick girls prefer them because it makes them feel more dominant, manly, and, uh, "big," if you know what I mean? Just a thing I've wondered.
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Correct quote would be the song by "Confederate Railroad" and it's "I like my women just a little on the trashy side".
milefile, your right, I'm betting every guy looked and took a mental snapshot. I'm also certain a few of those guys were smiling a bit more.
I don't think men are attrached to emaciated Calista flockheart Type figures because they are easier dominated, but because they percieve that woman as being more delicate/demure/petite. In other words "as female as female can get"
A slight interpretation of your quote would be "A lady on my arm and a tramp in my bedroom."
As a side note, I'd like to hear TATINEE and Lotus350 weigh in on the theory of why there are so many stick figure women in the spotlight, as well as what their thoughts of the good and bad sides of porn as it relates to relationships.
AO
milefile, your right, I'm betting every guy looked and took a mental snapshot. I'm also certain a few of those guys were smiling a bit more.
I don't think men are attrached to emaciated Calista flockheart Type figures because they are easier dominated, but because they percieve that woman as being more delicate/demure/petite. In other words "as female as female can get"
A slight interpretation of your quote would be "A lady on my arm and a tramp in my bedroom."
As a side note, I'd like to hear TATINEE and Lotus350 weigh in on the theory of why there are so many stick figure women in the spotlight, as well as what their thoughts of the good and bad sides of porn as it relates to relationships.
AO
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A number of my college housemates were attracted to the archetypal "slim blonde with big breasts" type, and would always try to get me to admit they were pretty by pointing out every one we saw on campus, TV, or during the Friday night movie rentals. It never worked. I've demonstrated this numerous times during the thankfully-dead wave of "what chicks are HOTTTTT !! ! ! !!!! !" threads that were posted here last year.
Then one day I happened to comment on a shorter, dark haired girl with nice hips, and one of them pounced: "Ah HAH! So that's how you like 'em: earthy and ready to breed!"
I can't argue with that.
I would also like to hear a female perspective on this subject. My better half doesn't object to porn on principle (except for the gross stuff), but she is massively bored by it. And I agree, I'm heartily of the opinion that there is no point in watching it if you could be doing it.
Then one day I happened to comment on a shorter, dark haired girl with nice hips, and one of them pounced: "Ah HAH! So that's how you like 'em: earthy and ready to breed!"
I can't argue with that.
I would also like to hear a female perspective on this subject. My better half doesn't object to porn on principle (except for the gross stuff), but she is massively bored by it. And I agree, I'm heartily of the opinion that there is no point in watching it if you could be doing it.
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WELL... simply, i like porn and don't find it no offensive... but not all kind of... just quality with beatiful womens.... Playboy Special Editions are the best.... good magazine is often more nice to watch than some video.... i like watchin good lookin womens...
And then... i have girlfiend.. been together about 8 months and she nows i watch porn... and she understands it because i explain it to her... listen... this is the point... those magazines are just FANTASIES not real life!!! i don't expect my girlfriend to have DD sized breasts or the non-fatest body in the world... coz' the real thing is whole different world than the porn world.... you can't compare them... and don't mix real to fantasy....
i watch porn when i'm alone.. maybe once a week... it gives me pleasure.. but when i get together with my gf, I don't think porn, no fantasy girls, forge all that, just my gf and I.... porn isn't bad thing..... same thing as video games, just fantasy.... you shouldn't mix video games either into real world... and good way to spend time...
teenage is good age to get know with pornography... maybe 14-15... then you get interested in sexuality and all kinda that stuff... so nudity is good way to fill those needs...
yep... that's all i got to say about this subject...
enjoy porn... (but don't watch any cheap german movies..
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and remember don't mix fantasy with the real life!!!!!
enjoy!!!
And then... i have girlfiend.. been together about 8 months and she nows i watch porn... and she understands it because i explain it to her... listen... this is the point... those magazines are just FANTASIES not real life!!! i don't expect my girlfriend to have DD sized breasts or the non-fatest body in the world... coz' the real thing is whole different world than the porn world.... you can't compare them... and don't mix real to fantasy....
i watch porn when i'm alone.. maybe once a week... it gives me pleasure.. but when i get together with my gf, I don't think porn, no fantasy girls, forge all that, just my gf and I.... porn isn't bad thing..... same thing as video games, just fantasy.... you shouldn't mix video games either into real world... and good way to spend time...
teenage is good age to get know with pornography... maybe 14-15... then you get interested in sexuality and all kinda that stuff... so nudity is good way to fill those needs...
yep... that's all i got to say about this subject...
enjoy porn... (but don't watch any cheap german movies..
)and remember don't mix fantasy with the real life!!!!!
enjoy!!!
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I dunno, kinda stuck in a struggle. Ethics tell me it's wrong, so I shouldn't, and I havn't watched it in a while, I guess I've given it up. Do I find it offensive? Depends, if I think about it, then yes, but usually no, but I'm working on that, I guess I could say I'm trying to 'purify' myself, key thing there is trying, and that I might not be trying in all fields, such as quitting swearing and such, which I should probably try sometime soon....
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I'd have to say that I'm more attacted to the preppy, more athletic females. For some reason, I find the face to be one of the most crucial factors for evaluating physical appearance. But appearance is nothing compared to personality. If they don't have an attractive personality(I don't mean this in a sense of sexuality or anything, but purely on if they're assholes or nice people, what their interests are, such as favorite foods, sports, hobbies, etc)
P.S. MF, why don't you accept any PM's? I tried to respond to one of yours you sent me, but it said it was blocked. What's up with that?
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I like that term, manageable roll...
Stick women..... well I certainly aint a stick woman and wouldn't want to be, after having carried 4 babies I'm pretty proud of my fuller figure considering the reason I got it
. The media has us woman portrayed all wrong ...stick women like Kylie and Calista they don't make me jealous I pity them they have no shape or anything to grab hold of , if I was a guy I'd go for a real woman like myself I will be honest in saying I could lose a few pounds though but nothing drastic, I want to stay shapely. On the porn side of things ... well I never watched porn on my own but not sure I can say the same about my other half
I don't think it's a bad thing to do either in a relationship if it helps raise the flag, but I can honestly say it is'nt needed in this house for that reason. 
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There is nothing wrong with porn in my opinion. Porn is really only the human body. If clothes weren't invented, then porn would be an everyday thing. Restricting it to people over 18 doesn't do much good. Who's going to stop a youngster from getting on the net and looking up porn behind their parents back. Or getting there friend's brother to buy them a mag. We've all done it before today.
The only porn that is wrong is child pornography. Who in their right mind wants to see little 8 year olds running around naked. It makes me shudder at the very thought.
Some people are offended by porn which I can't understand. Like I said earlier, it is only the human body.
There, that is my overview on pornography.
On a side note - I can't wait until I get my own computer for my room. Porn city here I come!
The only porn that is wrong is child pornography. Who in their right mind wants to see little 8 year olds running around naked. It makes me shudder at the very thought.
Some people are offended by porn which I can't understand. Like I said earlier, it is only the human body.
There, that is my overview on pornography.
On a side note - I can't wait until I get my own computer for my room. Porn city here I come!
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stop while your ahead you sick ****Originally posted by SandStorm
Hmmmmmm, like you, perhaps?
On a side note - I can't wait until I get my own computer for my room. Porn city here I come!
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Once again, I have to agree with 'Duke, and Gil to a certain extent. "I'll watch it if it's good." was my vote. Trouble is, that's hard to find nowadays. All the silicone-multiple-partner-piston- action-position-for-the-camera stuff does nothing for me! That's not how I Make Love to my girlfriend! Show us a well made "couples pono" and that's fine. All the rest is for teenage-to-frat boys or immature and/or repressed adults. In my opinion.
I voted "once a week" since that is about how often I... get in the mood. I don't rent videos, just because I don't care for porn that much, it just depends on my... mood. I hop on the net, do the deed, then I'm done with porn.
However, this has become an ethical discussion, so I will comment on the different aspects of pornography, and hopefully clearly outline what is my own personal moral code as it applies to pornography. (I've already thought about all of these things... usually while I'm lying in bed trying to fall asleep.)
Is porn right/wrong? Short answer: No, except for porn that depicts people having non-concentual sex. For a full explanation please read on.
Okay... didn't need the mental image of my mother naked, but I get your point.
There are 2 issues to this, the actual idea of your sister/mother being in a porno, and the ability to find better friends who wouldn't do that to you.
As for your mom/sis being in a porn, they're both grown ups. Their decisions are their decisions. I wouldn't *like* it if my sister or my mom were in a porno, but it's their freedom to do so. Your wife/significant other is also someone's sister and someone's daughter (someone's mother?), and think of all the things you've done with her. True, it's (most likely) in private, but imagine that her father/brother(/son?) was watching you... you kinda see my point don't you?
As long as my sister/mother isn't FORCED (raped) then there's nothing wrong with them being in a porno. (As for my daughter... I dont know what I would do if it was my daughter as I don't have one, but read the end of the post for an idea of how I would feel about that.)
I'll go more into "exploitation" later.
As for the "porn changes people's wants and desires" arguement:
Okay, this is getting quasi economical. Porn isn't produced to change people's desires.
Porn is produced to MAKE MONEY. They make what sells, period, end of story. They put whatever fetish/fantasy/stereotype sells the best. If every man wanted to be dominated by a woman, all you would see is women dominating men in porn.
With this in mind, it isn't the porn industry's fault that males (and some females) are so sick minded and twisted that they enjoy some of the nasty crap that they make porn out of. They're just making what they can sell.
It's the fault of the persons who buy that crap.
But if you're looking for something that has changed the view of the "perfect woman" I think a better candidate would be Barbie. (MM and Barbie showed up at around the same time didn't they?)
Barbie is a better candidate because I feel that to expose such young girls with a toy that has the perfect body (err... sorta... not anatomically correct... I know, I checked when I was like 7 or eight ) would have a much stronger impact on that generation of women than seeing a real woman in the movies or on TV.
In short I can sum it all up in this:
First of all, I couldn't imagine being in your situation. I couldn't possibly know how I would feel about the issue if I were in your shoes, but from my perspective, it doesn't make the porn industry bad, it just makes the person(s) who knowingly took advantage of her situation bad.
Also, did your sister-in-law have anything to do with her downward spiral that would put her in that situation? Yes, she did. She put herself in that situation through actions that were made of her own free will. Even *if* she was on drugs for the ENTIRE year, and thus was not of sound mind when she did some of the things she did, was she of sound mind when she first started doing drugs? Then if she knew that drugs had the ability to impede her judgement then she still acted according to her own free will, and therefore in the court-of-law anyone who did not rape her, blackmail her, or otherwise force her in front of a camera to perform acts of sexual degregation did nothing that was illegal.
However, that is not to mean that they didn't do something WRONG by taking advantage of her situation. Any person who takes advantage of someone who is under the influence of drugs/alcohol should be drug out into the street and beaten, shot, and damned to Hell for all eternity in my opinion. Rapists deserve worse punishment. They should be drug out into the street and beaten, burned, flayed, racked, stretched, stoned, beaten some more, burned again, and then left to die in the gutter like the scum they are... in my opinion even that's not bad enough... I could get real creative but I think you guys have gotten the picture. (I've known a few girls who have been the victims of sexual abuse... and it's always the sweetest ones it seems
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Well, on to:
The only porn that is wrong is porn that is forcing women to have sex. (Rape, snuff, voyeurism, etc) But if a person willingly puts themselves into that situation then porn is not wrong. At least according to my ethic. (My ethical principles closely relate to a cross between Immanuel Kant and John Locke)
Even with all this in mind, the pornography in general is not "bad" or "wrong", but I believe that they are MANY MANY bad PEOPLE in the porn industry.
Now onto the second aspect of the original topic, children and porn. I would let my son watch HBO/Playboy porn probably around the age of 10. Hustler/Real Porn around 15-16. I would not *provide* him with any mags, but I wouldn't confiscate them if they fit within these parameters. Also as long as my wife A: agreed with me on the issue B: Didn't know about it. Basically I would NEVER let my son blatently leave porn laying around the house, or discuss it in front of his mother.
Daughters are a whole different story. I would never let my daughter wear anything that was at all sexually appealling No low-cut BS, or jeans with the color known as "tight blue"--mmm tight blue is a good color for jeans... she can't wear them though-- nothing that shows off any cleavage, no belly shirts, nothing that shows her armpit, no shorts that come 4 inches above her knees while sitting, etc..
She would definately NOT be allowed to view any kind of sexual content WHAT-SO-EVER for as long as I have control over it. She will only be allowed to watch 50's re-runs on Nick At Night.
Yes I know it is unlikely that I will succeed in keeping my daughter from wearing anything other than a human-sized potato sack or be able to shelter her from pornography, but dammit I can try. I want my daughter to be and stay innocent and unaware of how dirty, nasty, mean, and evil the world is for as long as possible.
That's my 1000 cents.
Oh, I voted "once a week" by the way, figure you may have forgotten since the beginning of this extremely long post.
This post went through several revisions/editions/edits as I was writing it and explaining my opinion more in-depth, and I feel that I have explained - to the best of my ability - my opinion of the matter from every angle I can think of.
Now it's time to play Gran Turismo 3 some more...
--Jaster
Edit: I just printed this out in case I need it for an ethics/philosophy class or something, and it turns out to be FOUR PAGES LONG. Damn...
However, this has become an ethical discussion, so I will comment on the different aspects of pornography, and hopefully clearly outline what is my own personal moral code as it applies to pornography. (I've already thought about all of these things... usually while I'm lying in bed trying to fall asleep.)
Is porn right/wrong? Short answer: No, except for porn that depicts people having non-concentual sex. For a full explanation please read on.
Okay... didn't need the mental image of my mother naked, but I get your point.
There are 2 issues to this, the actual idea of your sister/mother being in a porno, and the ability to find better friends who wouldn't do that to you.
As for your mom/sis being in a porn, they're both grown ups. Their decisions are their decisions. I wouldn't *like* it if my sister or my mom were in a porno, but it's their freedom to do so. Your wife/significant other is also someone's sister and someone's daughter (someone's mother?), and think of all the things you've done with her. True, it's (most likely) in private, but imagine that her father/brother(/son?) was watching you... you kinda see my point don't you?
As long as my sister/mother isn't FORCED (raped) then there's nothing wrong with them being in a porno. (As for my daughter... I dont know what I would do if it was my daughter as I don't have one, but read the end of the post for an idea of how I would feel about that.)
I'll go more into "exploitation" later.
As for the "porn changes people's wants and desires" arguement:
I don't think this is really an example of "exploitation"... more an example of the "porn industry is shaping my mind!" arguement.
Okay, this is getting quasi economical. Porn isn't produced to change people's desires.
Porn is produced to MAKE MONEY. They make what sells, period, end of story. They put whatever fetish/fantasy/stereotype sells the best. If every man wanted to be dominated by a woman, all you would see is women dominating men in porn.
With this in mind, it isn't the porn industry's fault that males (and some females) are so sick minded and twisted that they enjoy some of the nasty crap that they make porn out of. They're just making what they can sell.
It's the fault of the persons who buy that crap.
But if you're looking for something that has changed the view of the "perfect woman" I think a better candidate would be Barbie. (MM and Barbie showed up at around the same time didn't they?)
Barbie is a better candidate because I feel that to expose such young girls with a toy that has the perfect body (err... sorta... not anatomically correct... I know, I checked when I was like 7 or eight
) would have a much stronger impact on that generation of women than seeing a real woman in the movies or on TV.In short I can sum it all up in this:
If you become sexually stimulated, don't you already desire it? And if that type of porn doesn't sexually stimulate you, wouldn't you find some other kind of porn?
First of all, I couldn't imagine being in your situation. I couldn't possibly know how I would feel about the issue if I were in your shoes, but from my perspective, it doesn't make the porn industry bad, it just makes the person(s) who knowingly took advantage of her situation bad.
Also, did your sister-in-law have anything to do with her downward spiral that would put her in that situation? Yes, she did. She put herself in that situation through actions that were made of her own free will. Even *if* she was on drugs for the ENTIRE year, and thus was not of sound mind when she did some of the things she did, was she of sound mind when she first started doing drugs? Then if she knew that drugs had the ability to impede her judgement then she still acted according to her own free will, and therefore in the court-of-law anyone who did not rape her, blackmail her, or otherwise force her in front of a camera to perform acts of sexual degregation did nothing that was illegal.
However, that is not to mean that they didn't do something WRONG by taking advantage of her situation. Any person who takes advantage of someone who is under the influence of drugs/alcohol should be drug out into the street and beaten, shot, and damned to Hell for all eternity in my opinion. Rapists deserve worse punishment. They should be drug out into the street and beaten, burned, flayed, racked, stretched, stoned, beaten some more, burned again, and then left to die in the gutter like the scum they are... in my opinion even that's not bad enough... I could get real creative but I think you guys have gotten the picture. (I've known a few girls who have been the victims of sexual abuse... and it's always the sweetest ones it seems
)Well, on to:
The only porn that is wrong is porn that is forcing women to have sex. (Rape, snuff, voyeurism, etc) But if a person willingly puts themselves into that situation then porn is not wrong. At least according to my ethic. (My ethical principles closely relate to a cross between Immanuel Kant and John Locke)
Even with all this in mind, the pornography in general is not "bad" or "wrong", but I believe that they are MANY MANY bad PEOPLE in the porn industry.
Now onto the second aspect of the original topic, children and porn. I would let my son watch HBO/Playboy porn probably around the age of 10. Hustler/Real Porn around 15-16. I would not *provide* him with any mags, but I wouldn't confiscate them if they fit within these parameters. Also as long as my wife A: agreed with me on the issue B: Didn't know about it. Basically I would NEVER let my son blatently leave porn laying around the house, or discuss it in front of his mother.
Daughters are a whole different story. I would never let my daughter wear anything that was at all sexually appealling
No low-cut BS, or jeans with the color known as "tight blue"--mmm tight blue is a good color for jeans... she can't wear them though-- nothing that shows off any cleavage, no belly shirts, nothing that shows her armpit, no shorts that come 4 inches above her knees while sitting, etc.. She would definately NOT be allowed to view any kind of sexual content WHAT-SO-EVER for as long as I have control over it. She will only be allowed to watch 50's re-runs on Nick At Night.
Yes I know it is unlikely that I will succeed in keeping my daughter from wearing anything other than a human-sized potato sack or be able to shelter her from pornography, but dammit I can try. I want my daughter to be and stay innocent and unaware of how dirty, nasty, mean, and evil the world is for as long as possible.
That's my 1000 cents.
Oh, I voted "once a week" by the way, figure you may have forgotten since the beginning of this extremely long post.
This post went through several revisions/editions/edits as I was writing it and explaining my opinion more in-depth, and I feel that I have explained - to the best of my ability - my opinion of the matter from every angle I can think of.
Now it's time to play Gran Turismo 3 some more...
--Jaster
Edit: I just printed this out in case I need it for an ethics/philosophy class or something, and it turns out to be FOUR PAGES LONG. Damn...
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wow... i really don't know what else to say to that...
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Originally posted by Jaster83
Daughters are a whole different story. I would never let my daughter wear anything that was at all sexually appealling
I'm glad not all dads are like you. My school is overrun with the complete opposite of how you'd like your daugter to be.
Very nice post by the way. 👍
LOL! I'm glad parents these days have no sense as well, as I love seeing skin. But it's pretty sad that every time I go out to the mall or the movies or whatever, I see these lil 10 yo girls wearing short shorts and belly shirts and I'm like "WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PARENTS?!?!?!?!?" Anyway, I'm sure I'll have one helluva time keeping my daughter from dressing like a whore...
And thanks 8-P I didn' initially intend for it to be that long, but then again, I never intend to post long replies, it just seems to happen that way... I get going on something and then I just thoroughly over-do it... like now, a simple thanks would've sufficed wouldn't it?
And thanks 8-P I didn' initially intend for it to be that long, but then again, I never intend to post long replies, it just seems to happen that way... I get going on something and then I just thoroughly over-do it... like now, a simple thanks would've sufficed wouldn't it?
tahnk yew I aprecait dat
an hay, iz naw dere falt dat dey cant spik propa enlish or tipe corect like, tey waz falled bi da skoolz ya no?
(Riiiiiiighhhhhtttt... they just didn't show up to school is the problem.)
That's hard to do ya know? That second sentence took me forever(I type exactly like I speak, by the way... apostrophies 'n stuff)
Edit: Cobra, your location, NZL = New Zealand?
an hay, iz naw dere falt dat dey cant spik propa enlish or tipe corect like, tey waz falled bi da skoolz ya no?
(Riiiiiiighhhhhtttt... they just didn't show up to school is the problem.)
That's hard to do ya know? That second sentence took me forever(I type exactly like I speak, by the way... apostrophies 'n stuff)
Edit: Cobra, your location, NZL = New Zealand?
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I caught a bit of that amazingly stupid spectacle "Fame" on NBC last night. Some girl did a little number in some fishnet stockings, tons of makeup, and a skimpy little getup that was essentially underwear. It was very sexual and provacative and enjoyable to watch. When it was over I find out she is fifteen.
So am I a bad guy by being arounsed by the sexuality and the attractive girl slinking all over in her skiviies? Sitting spread-eagle in panties on my TV? Does the program, in effect, cause pedafilia, or rather, pedafilic thoughts?
Damn man, that's a tough one, but I've thought about that too... Like... I've looked at a girl and you know... checked her out, then come to find out she's not how old I thought she was... (I'm 18 btw, and don't look at anything I know is under 16)
In the truest sense of the definition
Yes, every time you or I or any adult has sexual thoughts about a child it is pedophilia. However, since you didn't know that the person you were imagining was a child, I don't think it's truely pedophilia.
But, in your, my, and most mens' defense I must say that to me, and I'm sure a psychologist and the court system would agree, a pedophiliac is a person who intentionally, in full knowledge of age, imagines or performs sexual acts with a child.
Now, when I see a girl that looks *iffy* I don't check her out, but if she looks 18, I check her out, and if she's under 18, it's not my fault. And there's also a lot of 18 yo girls I know that look 14 or 15... so would it be pedophilia to imagine them in a sexual way, even if you knew how old they were?
I don't know if the program causes pedaphilic thoughts, cuz when you found out how old she was you were disgusted with yourself for looking at her weren't you? (Well, you seem to be.) And surely a pedaphile wouldn't be disgusted or ashamed would they? And you were attracted by sexual traits that she possessed that were decidedly adult characteristics...
And anyway, dont beat yourself up, it happens to us all, but if she looks like an adult and you don't know she isn't, you're thinking of her as an adult in your imagination, so in your imagination she IS an adult. So that's not pedophilia 8-P
How's that for circular reasoning? lol
(Skivvies? lol... sorry, I don't hear that term much)
--Jaster (wtf, I think I'm turning into the official porn doctor or something)
edit: Want me to ask a friend who just had a psych class last semester? Hm... I think that's getting more into abnormal psych though... want me to ask her? Wonder how i'll work it into the conversation... should be interresting.
In the truest sense of the definition
Quoted from dictionary.com.
Yes, every time you or I or any adult has sexual thoughts about a child it is pedophilia. However, since you didn't know that the person you were imagining was a child, I don't think it's truely pedophilia.
But, in your, my, and most mens' defense I must say that to me, and I'm sure a psychologist and the court system would agree, a pedophiliac is a person who intentionally, in full knowledge of age, imagines or performs sexual acts with a child.
Now, when I see a girl that looks *iffy* I don't check her out, but if she looks 18, I check her out, and if she's under 18, it's not my fault. And there's also a lot of 18 yo girls I know that look 14 or 15... so would it be pedophilia to imagine them in a sexual way, even if you knew how old they were?
I don't know if the program causes pedaphilic thoughts, cuz when you found out how old she was you were disgusted with yourself for looking at her weren't you? (Well, you seem to be.) And surely a pedaphile wouldn't be disgusted or ashamed would they? And you were attracted by sexual traits that she possessed that were decidedly adult characteristics...
And anyway, dont beat yourself up, it happens to us all, but if she looks like an adult and you don't know she isn't, you're thinking of her as an adult in your imagination, so in your imagination she IS an adult. So that's not pedophilia 8-P
How's that for circular reasoning? lol
(Skivvies? lol... sorry, I don't hear that term much)
--Jaster (wtf, I think I'm turning into the official porn doctor or something)
edit: Want me to ask a friend who just had a psych class last semester? Hm... I think that's getting more into abnormal psych though... want me to ask her? Wonder how i'll work it into the conversation... should be interresting.
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