Porsche 991 Information Released
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The easiest way to put it is that my GTS feels like something you 'd want to take on track, but the T most definitley doesn't.
However GTS 991s are very spec sensitive. I had a 991.1 for a year and hated it; then figured out why, so sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS with a different spec and love it. I bought a 991.2 GTS to the same spec as my second 991.1 GTS and hated that too, so sold it and kept my second 991.1.
I've had manual and pdk 991.1 GTS's and imo the engine suits the pdk better. And I almost hate myself for admitting that.
I've had ceramics and steels and think the steels are better on a GTS.
Speccing the 18 way seats brings a more user friendly set of seating/steering/memory options but this is a heavy option, for those that worry about such things.
The glass panoramic sunroof completey ruins the GTS chassis....they are built to ride higher and softer...only a bit but enough to feel. Also the body stiffness is less, enough to notice. Loads of people spec the panoramic cos it certainly looks good but it stops the GTS being as 'sporty' as it should be. The entire glass roof is only loosely bonded in, to avoid it getting stressed or twisted which might crack it.
NEVER SPEC A GTS WITH A PANORAMIC ROOF.
My T rides 10mm higher than my GTS and I can feel this from the driving position and the c-o-g.
My T rides firmer than my GTS, I feel more pot holes and cats eyes in my T.
The brakes on my T lack the 'grab' of the brakes on my GTS. They are both steel. The discs on my T are actually nearly 15mm larger but the calipers have 4 pots and on my GTS they are 6 pots. My GTS has better braking.
Both interiors are equally nice places to be. I have the full GTS interior and the full T interior.
The T is about as quick as the GTS despite being 60bhp down. They both put very similar numbers on the dial.
The T has noticeably more low rev shove.
The T has noticeably less high rev shove.
The T does 'come on song' at 5k revs and to give it some credit it is a brilliant engine, but imo it doesnt match the character or reach of the GTS engine.
The manual box in the T is excellent in the first 5 gears but shockingly bad once past that. It's not the mechanical quality of the gearchange that s the problem. It's trying to put the bloody stick in the right bloody hole . Coming down the box from 7th or 6th I double de clutch. And that s ridiculous in 2018.
The T feels heavier at the back than my GTS. The fore/aft weight distribution is different.
The T is a bit narrower, enough to be noticeable on smaller lanes.
Here's an analogy for you: Picture a man walking a tight rope - my GTS feels like a tight rope walker holding his arms out wide and my T feels like a tight rope walker with his hands in his pockets. One is making it look easy with minimal body movement and effort. The other is working much harder to achieve the same level of balance. That's how these cars feel, the pasm on the T has to work much harder to maintain the level of control I ask for.
As is usual with Porsche sports cars (specced as the engineers would want, not as the marketing team or salesman would want) both of these cars feel great when driven steady, then feel not quite so great (enough to pick faults) when driven briskly or even quite fast; but then if you go quicker still, then even quicker, then really really hard - and they become brilliant. imo better than any GT car, except maybe for the 997.1 RS. for the road that is.
On the kind of roads we have in rural UK, poor surfaces covered in cow st and leaves, potholes, random cambers, pronounced crowns, narrow, crumbling edges in our kind of miserable weather - I can drive these cars to a level where other makes of cars I've had have broken. These feel fine and ready for more.
After some drives I have been genuinely astounded by how much punishment these cars can take. The engineering is hugely impressive and i think it's such a shame that many owners will never know that.
If I had to pick just one of these tho, to keep as a road car, it would be my GTS. The T is very close to it tho.
I would rather have my T than a 991.2 GTS.
Anything else ...?
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Some of that just feels so odd to read. Unless the car is setup differently in the UK, Porsche lists both cars at 50.6 in tall. The GTS does run a slightly bigger wheel, but it seems so little to actually notice a difference. Comments on the brakes seems backwards; the T runs 330mm brake discs all around, where as the GTS runs a 350mm disc in the front, 330 in the rear. But again, seems hardly noticeable.
I tried to google what the suspension differences where, and ended up with this which seems to come to the conclusion that both cars are the exact same, the GTS just comes with more goodies.
I tried to google what the suspension differences where, and ended up with this which seems to come to the conclusion that both cars are the exact same, the GTS just comes with more goodies.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/911/2019/2019-porsche-911-carrera-t-first-drive-review/
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It's comments like this that make me laugh... 'My T rides 10mm higher than my GTS and I can feel this from the driving position and the c-o-g.'
He can feel a 10mm difference in ride height
Not unusual for Porsche forums... owners can get a bit OTT over the nuances of the driving experience.
He can feel a 10mm difference in ride height
Not unusual for Porsche forums... owners can get a bit OTT over the nuances of the driving experience.
No screenshots. Too difficult.
There're differences. In Belgium, we have as a standard feature the Analoge Chrono package.
You can add without cost, the rear seats, PCM. You can also have tinted rear and side windows or rear window.
Option to add PCM and a digital radio.
ISOFIX, front or rear.
Some lightweight dashboard, center consol inlays in high gloss black.
White intrument dials with T-logo.
You can choose as an option; parking assist with or without camera (needs PCM = €0).
Homelink.
Removal of the lightweight glass €0.
We can choose between Cruise Control without PAS or with PAS.
Speed limit indicator (option).
Standard: Rear Lid Intake Grille Slats Painted in high gloss black and other painted stuff.
There are probably other differences that I missed. You see, more options available in Belgium. That's why I was
when people say, "less for more money", which isn't the case in Belgium.
There're differences. In Belgium, we have as a standard feature the Analoge Chrono package.
You can add without cost, the rear seats, PCM. You can also have tinted rear and side windows or rear window.
Option to add PCM and a digital radio.
ISOFIX, front or rear.
Some lightweight dashboard, center consol inlays in high gloss black.
White intrument dials with T-logo.
You can choose as an option; parking assist with or without camera (needs PCM = €0).
Homelink.
Removal of the lightweight glass €0.
We can choose between Cruise Control without PAS or with PAS.
Speed limit indicator (option).
Standard: Rear Lid Intake Grille Slats Painted in high gloss black and other painted stuff.
There are probably other differences that I missed. You see, more options available in Belgium. That's why I was
when people say, "less for more money", which isn't the case in Belgium.
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Was reading through that thinking the whole time about just how little I'd like to be a member of a Porsche forum. I'd almost feel more affinity with someone who just bought it because of the badge...It's comments like this that make me laugh... 'My T rides 10mm higher than my GTS and I can feel this from the driving position and the c-o-g.'
He can feel a 10mm difference in ride height
Not unusual for Porsche forums... owners can get a bit OTT over the nuances of the driving experience.
Not yet driven a T or GTS myself. Only 911.2s I've tried are the base Carrera (which is already about as much 911 as I need), a GT3 and a quick go in the 2RS. I can understand why the T, GTS etc exist, but you could slim down the 911 range to the Carrera, a Carrera 4, a Turbo, and the motorsport stuff and not really lose out much. There's a pretty wide spectrum of ability even in just a handful of 911s.
As a "one car to do it all" a C4 with PASM would probably be pretty close to ideal. Maybe a Targa 4 in Miami Blue because I'm a bit of a tart but not enough of a tart to want the full convertible.
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Yep. Most of it is a big pile of steaming horse ****... most of them think they are driving gods, and post like they are writing copy for sniffpetrol
Not really a 991 person myself - fabulously competent cars, but in all honesty, I would prefer a manual 997GTS.
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A 991 was the first Porsche of any kind I drove (a yellow 991.1 Carrera S) so I'll probably always have an affinity for them, but after driving a 997 the other month I think I'd also ultimately go down that route. Went for lunch today in a 718 Cayman GTS too, which is verging on my perfect car, engine noise aside...
I love the wide body of the GTS but I don't like the 4WD of the C4.
Too bad that a 997.2 is too expensive road tax an registration tax wise (compared to the 991.2) or I'd go for a 997.2 as well. Althoug, the interior of the 991 is nicer. I like that huge center consol.
Too bad that a 997.2 is too expensive road tax an registration tax wise (compared to the 991.2) or I'd go for a 997.2 as well. Althoug, the interior of the 991 is nicer. I like that huge center consol.
I test drove a 991 GTS and a Boxter S on the same day. The Boxter S was miles ahead when it comes to pure driving pleasure but I'm a 911 fan and I don't like the way a Boxter of a Cayman looks. Can't help it but that is the way it is.
Also, I like the space or rear seat in a 911. I don't like that fire wall (or whatever you call it) behind the front seats in a Boxter/Cayman. And no, I don't have claustophobia.
Also, I like the space or rear seat in a 911. I don't like that fire wall (or whatever you call it) behind the front seats in a Boxter/Cayman. And no, I don't have claustophobia.
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2 x GT2 RS WP 
Looks like both are on stock wheels - I did hear Porsche supplier couldn't make the magnesium wheels for the WP fast enough, and Porsche were delivering them on standard wheels. They would then send the mag wheels to the owners (ie; the dealers would fit them later) and allow owners to keep the standard wheels as an apology.
Looks like both are on stock wheels - I did hear Porsche supplier couldn't make the magnesium wheels for the WP fast enough, and Porsche were delivering them on standard wheels. They would then send the mag wheels to the owners (ie; the dealers would fit them later) and allow owners to keep the standard wheels as an apology.
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Should I get a 991.2 GTS or wait for the new 992?
992 will be the typical of recent product cycle for 911's... it will be an evolution of the 991, rather than a complete new car... so similar to the 996->997, though from what I've seen of the spy shots, it won't be a massive change styling wise.
992GTS is probably a few years away, so your immediate choice is 991.2 GTS or 992 S.
You'd have to check you own market, but the UK at least, depreciation on the 'normal' models tends to be much steeper than the GTS versions, so likely you'd lose less on a 991.2 GTS than a 992 S.
Could you still get a new GTS? As I understand it, Porsche production shuts down the end of this month until August. Porsche UK aren't taking orders for 991's anymore, so a GTS would need to be used or a demonstrator - Porsche UK sold every GTS they could get, so no demonstrators here, but there are a few delivery mileage T's knocking around in OPCs.
992 will probably be faster, handle better, marginally improved interior etc... but at the end of the day the 991 is a fabulous car, with more performance than you can ever use on the road, so a faster car isn't necessarily a better car!
Nice decision to have to make
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I couldn't agree more. My local Porsche dealer has a 997.1 GT3 for sale in Carrara White for a surprisingly low USD $85,000. For even less here are the 996.2 GT3s (U.S. never got the first gen, which I imagine would be even less with the "Boxster bumper") and they all come with a manual, none of that PDK stuff.*
*There is nothing wrong with PDK, but if I had to choose...
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I couldn't agree more. My local Porsche dealer has a 997.1 GT3 for sale in Carrara White for a surprisingly low USD $85,000. For even less here are the 996.2 GT3s (U.S. never got the first gen, which I imagine would be even less with the "Boxster bumper") and they all come with a manual, none of that PDK stuff.*
*There is nothing wrong with PDK, but if I had to choose...
Surprisingly small price gaps between 996.2 and 997.1 GT3s.
996.1 are higher value than 996.2 in the uk. Less around and more collectible.
The second hand Porsche dealer whom is selling his GT3 (see my previous post) also has a black 997.2 GT3 Clubsport for sale for €105,000.
But:
Registration tax:
997.2 GT3 Clubsport: €7,873.38
991.2 GTS manual: €3,805.8
Yearly road tax:
997.2 GT3 Clubsport: €2,521.5
991.2 GTS manual: €905.23
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