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Porsche, RUF and GT5 - trying to figure out the legal situation
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Here is the proof:
The Porsche GT3 was really in GT3. Can't believe it, but here is video proof. And yes, it is not a RUF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvleGFf-5ww
That explains a lot.
Actually, we can already get it from PD as a Standard car.
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? that post doesn't really make sense. Without proper license, dude, they were not allowed to have anykind of Porsche product in their code for retail purpose anyway, to begin with!!!! We can even speculate if Porsche may disagree with PD that GT3 has a Porsche model unofficially in it.
link works now btw
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It is indeed foremost a legal issue, even when a new marketing strategy (encapsulating future licensing) under the ownership of Volkswagen will eventually, and hopefully (since most other Volkswagen brands are already present), change the exclusive deal with EA, the current agreement still stands (for as long as it's binding).
Or the sublicense to PD by EA could become, for whatever reason it now isn't, a reality when the current status quo continues.
In the meantime PD could make a Premium Ruf version, the most logical one would be the classic Yellowbird and/or BTR, as then they would have already modelled the classic aircooled 911 shape to be used, slightly altered, in the case a Porsche license/sublicense becomes a reality.
That shape could become the basis of endless 911 variants to maybe even dethrone the mightly Skyline...
The legal position Ruf (and Alpina) have got as manufacturer is extremely rare though and this is only possible I believe in Germany although I'm not sure.
It doesn't therefor extend to many more tuner firms as these cars are still legally Porsche's I guess.
Instead of only looking at tuner firms who modify current Porsche models I'd like to suggest the no doubt controversial option of replica's.
I'm not talking about the glassfibre/polyester shells on Beetle mechanics which are fairly common but about high-class 356 Speedster/550 Spyder/908/etc. replica's using genuine Porsche parts also manufactured by seperate manufacturers with their own brand names (don't know the brands by heart but there are a select few which make accurate and pricey replica's).
This most likely won't happen though but it would be another option to include classic Porsche road/racecars alongside the classic and current Ruf line-up which in itself is limited regarding a lot of Porsche's iconic cars not represented by Ruf.
Like I said it most likely won't happen as it could further alienate Porsche, although adding, when legally possible that is, more tuning firms may have the same effect (as the relationship between Ruf and Porsche is close).
Or the sublicense to PD by EA could become, for whatever reason it now isn't, a reality when the current status quo continues.
In the meantime PD could make a Premium Ruf version, the most logical one would be the classic Yellowbird and/or BTR, as then they would have already modelled the classic aircooled 911 shape to be used, slightly altered, in the case a Porsche license/sublicense becomes a reality.
That shape could become the basis of endless 911 variants to maybe even dethrone the mightly Skyline...
The legal position Ruf (and Alpina) have got as manufacturer is extremely rare though and this is only possible I believe in Germany although I'm not sure.
It doesn't therefor extend to many more tuner firms as these cars are still legally Porsche's I guess.
Instead of only looking at tuner firms who modify current Porsche models I'd like to suggest the no doubt controversial option of replica's.
I'm not talking about the glassfibre/polyester shells on Beetle mechanics which are fairly common but about high-class 356 Speedster/550 Spyder/908/etc. replica's using genuine Porsche parts also manufactured by seperate manufacturers with their own brand names (don't know the brands by heart but there are a select few which make accurate and pricey replica's).
This most likely won't happen though but it would be another option to include classic Porsche road/racecars alongside the classic and current Ruf line-up which in itself is limited regarding a lot of Porsche's iconic cars not represented by Ruf.
Like I said it most likely won't happen as it could further alienate Porsche, although adding, when legally possible that is, more tuning firms may have the same effect (as the relationship between Ruf and Porsche is close).
It is indeed foremost a legal issue, even when a new marketing strategy (encapsulating future licensing) under the ownership of Volkswagen will eventually, and hopefully (since most other Volkswagen brands are already present), change the exclusive deal with EA, the current agreement still stands (for as long as it's binding).
Or the sublicense to PD by EA could become, for whatever reason it now isn't, a reality when the current status quo continues.
In the meantime PD could make a Premium Ruf version, the most logical one would be the classic Yellowbird and/or BTR, as then they would have already modelled the classic aircooled 911 shape to be used, slightly altered, in the case a Porsche license/sublicense becomes a reality.
That shape could become the basis of endless 911 variants to maybe even dethrone the mightly Skyline...
The legal position Ruf (and Alpina) have got as manufacturer is extremely rare though and this is only possible I believe in Germany although I'm not sure. It doesn't therefor extend to many more tuner firms as these cars are still legally Porsche's I guess.
Instead of only looking at tuner firms who modify current Porsche models I'd like to suggest the no doubt controversial option of replica's.
I'm not talking about the glassfibre/polyester shells on Beetle mechanics which are fairly common but about high-class 356 Speedster/550 Spyder/908/etc. replica's using genuine Porsche parts also manufactured by seperate manufacturers with their own brand names (don't know the brands by heart but there are a select few which make accurate and pricey replica's).
This most likely won't happen though but it would be another option to include classic Porsche road/racecars alongside the classic and current Ruf line-up which in itself is limited regarding a lot of Porsche's iconic cars not represented by Ruf.
Like I said it most likely won't happen as it could further alienate Porsche, although adding, when legally possible that is, more tuning firms may have the same effect (as the relationship between Ruf and Porsche is close).
Saleen in the US also fits this category. However, with Steve Saleen selling the company and starting SMS, I'm not sure if that has changed.
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I am a huge Porsche fan, yet I find myself content with the RUF cars in GT. My complaints for GT5 were:
1. RUF didn't stop making cars in 2000. You have the RT-12 (2004-Present), CTR-3 (2007-Present), RGT-8 (2010-Present), Roadster (2010-Present), and those are just current production models.
2. No premium RUF. You would have figured at least the YellowBird would have been premium.
3. GT2 had twice as many older RUF's as GT5!
1. RUF didn't stop making cars in 2000. You have the RT-12 (2004-Present), CTR-3 (2007-Present), RGT-8 (2010-Present), Roadster (2010-Present), and those are just current production models.
2. No premium RUF. You would have figured at least the YellowBird would have been premium.
3. GT2 had twice as many older RUF's as GT5!
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Is this restricted to German manufacturers or is open to any country's tuners/manufacturers?
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Interesting.
But for the Schuppan 962CR. I know you can't contact them as they went defunct, but I've "found" (not much of a search) information which claims Schuppan did all the chassis and body work from scratch with only very similar design to the Porsche 962C. Only Porsche-made part was the engine (which isn't a problem for licencing). Source: http://www.supercars.net/cars/1732.html
The biggest problem behind the inclusion of the 962CR is the availability of the car. How PD could get to model it?
But for the Schuppan 962CR. I know you can't contact them as they went defunct, but I've "found" (not much of a search) information which claims Schuppan did all the chassis and body work from scratch with only very similar design to the Porsche 962C. Only Porsche-made part was the engine (which isn't a problem for licencing). Source: http://www.supercars.net/cars/1732.html
The biggest problem behind the inclusion of the 962CR is the availability of the car. How PD could get to model it?
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I've been wondering if PD is having some sort of contempt for Ruf as of late.
Back in the GT2 and GT3 days, PD went out of their way to talk up how much of a dedicated manufacturer that Ruf was. Ever since GT4, though, it seems as though PD has downgraded Ruf to being "mere" tuners.
Back in the GT2 and GT3 days, PD went out of their way to talk up how much of a dedicated manufacturer that Ruf was. Ever since GT4, though, it seems as though PD has downgraded Ruf to being "mere" tuners.
Kaz owned a 911 GT3 at the time, so they probably just put the car in to test things (like the rendering engine and the like). The car isn't actually complete, because it uses a lot of parts that are identical to those of the Ruf RGT (even when the parts shouldn't be the same, like the engine specs).
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God i would really love to see Gemballa and Brabus in Gran Turismo!
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Yeah Brabus works wonder with Mercedes products from what I've seen - it would definitely be cool!
If the car exists and the owner is willing to make it available, then PD could probably do the modeling if they wanted to. The Muira in GT5 is a one-off prototype, and PD had to go to the owner's home and do the their work in the garage. The owner wouldn't transport the car for them or anything.
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Edo Competition & Mansory will not give you any solid answers.
The Mansory who tunes Porsche is located in Switzerland & is a recognized tuner. All the cars they modify will already have a manufacturer VIN on them.
Edo Competition is the same, as evident by the numerous manufacturer badges & model names kept on their vehicles when they receive them, pre-tuned.
The Mansory who tunes Porsche is located in Switzerland & is a recognized tuner. All the cars they modify will already have a manufacturer VIN on them.
Edo Competition is the same, as evident by the numerous manufacturer badges & model names kept on their vehicles when they receive them, pre-tuned.
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that was a good read man, great info
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To the OP have you considerd trying to contact Zender the German tuning company that also created the magnificent looking Zender Fact 4 and a few other concepts besides
No reason to bother people fail mentally to understand how licensing works. 2 min google search can help you find the answers you need.
"The Gran Turismo series is known as being the most realistic racing sim on the market. Its also known for featuring the largest variety of licensed automobiles from top names such as Corvette and Mercedes-Benz. Gran Turismo 5 is taking those two series staples to the next level by featuring over 950 vehicles that look ever-so-close to their real-life counterparts.
Even with so many vehicles to choose from, there will be one car company excluded from the upcoming title…
…and that company is Porsche.
Kazunori Yamauchi confirmed at a CES interview that Porsche was excluded due to “licensing issues”. While this may bother some, considering that the game boasts that many vehicles with the ability to import even more vehicles from the PSP version of Gran Turismo, is it really that big of a deal? Will you really miss Porsche?"
"Porsche. One of the few car manufacturers remaining who have not succumbed to the leveraging power the all-mighty Gran Turismo franchise has to offer. Even with Gran Turismo 5 boasting over 1,000 cars, die-hard fans have cited the lack of the prestigious high-end luxury car manufacturer. When, earlier this year, it was confirmed Porsche would not be coming to Gran Turismo 5, car enthusiasts were wondering if Porsche was ever to come to any more video games, aside from Forza 3. According to a recent tweet by the official Criterion Games twitter feed, that will be a reality.
In a tweet posted earlier today, Criterion Games stated that Porsche will be exclusive to the Need for Speed franchise. This of course is talking specifically about the studio’s next game, Need for Speed Hot Pursuit, but future NFS games may be included, although that wasn’t specified. Full tweet below:
Porsche exclusive to Need for Speed…"
From ps3 news site. and 10 others have the same.
Every company works differently. Some will do it for money, others will do it for free publicity. Depends on the company. It seems EA made this deal very sweet or Porsche was very stupid and with 6.6 mil gt5 sold, porsche is biting their hands, no way to find out.
Don't bother emailing anyone, no one will reveal any information to you, if larger news sites could not get their hand on this juicy piece of info, you never will. No one is going to lose their job revealing companies policy to a gaming forum. But if you really want to, email EA they got the answers because they hold exclusive right to Porsche.
If you spend more time searching you will find that EA buy licensing to many things like NFL and so on and hold them in iron grip never letting go, because they can make money from exclusive titles and from selling these licenses to other companies for fortune.
Oh and to whoever I insulted, you got me wrong I did not mean to do that. I simply pointed out your ignorance. But hey this is online forum no such a thing as right.
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Yes there is a GT3 name, both on the car and in the menu. Also the RUF has got a different aero bodykit then the Porsche GT3 shown in the video. It is indeed a real Porsche design.
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Nice thread, very interesting.
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My biggest concern with PD is they don't appear to have a European team with the in-depth knowledge to seek out niche manufacturers and tuners.
They still don't include cars like the RS500, E30 M3, F40 LM, F1 GTR, Quattro S1 etc. which they have the licence for.
They still don't include cars like the RS500, E30 M3, F40 LM, F1 GTR, Quattro S1 etc. which they have the licence for.
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As it has been mentioned many times, PD is not at fault here, blame EA for holding their hands so tightly to its dear Porsche that you need to pay an arm and a leg (and a head, a right toe, and a ribcage) just to even negotiate any type of deal. Look what happened with Ferrari. They didn't renew their deal (or they went behind EA's backs) and they are included in GT5 but are curiously now absent from NFS. Porsche itself may rethink its deal with EA, but it would only do so if the money with PD can offset EA possibly dropping them as well.
