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How do you feel about the new tyre model?

  • Much Better

    Votes: 119 27.5%

  • Better

    Votes: 185 42.8%

  • Dunno

    Votes: 60 13.9%

  • Worse

    Votes: 31 7.2%

  • Much Worse

    Votes: 17 3.9%

  • Ambivalent

    Votes: 14 3.2%

  • Neither Better Nor Worse

    Votes: 6 1.4%
  • Total voters
    432
  • Poll closed .
I drove a couple N100 cars to compare with my old best laps at Tsukuba.

New:

1:09.015 - Alpine A110
1:10.595 - Mazda Roadster S (ND)
1:11.203 - Toyota S-FR
1:37.861 - Fiat 500 F

Old:

1:11.655 - Alpine A110
1:12.346 - Toyota S-FR
1:12.379 - Mazda Roadster S (ND)
1:39.384 - Fiat 500 F

Difference of 2.640 seconds for the Alpine, 1.143 seconds for the Toyota, 1.784 seconds for the Mazda, and 1.523 seconds for the Fiat.
 
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ABS on Weak; OH MY DAYS! Threshold braking is now a thing, as is trail braking. So easy to over do it if you don't pull back a little, & when you trail brake the rear end comes round & it just wants to suck you into the apex; it feels beautiful. I got a 2'17.934 on Suzuka with the 458 completely stock, & it keeps getting faster & faster. However, it's so hard to get it all right at the moment, but in a realistic on the edge of my seat kind of way. It was a very satisfying 6 lap run. Done a race before that & managed to overtake a full grid of 19 AI drivers on Pro before the end of lap 2, & I'm starting to get the hang of standing starts now as well. The new tyre model is really letting the underlying physics shine through, & I'm seriously thinking about having to change my original vote from Better to Much Better.


:bowdown: :cheers: :cool: :dopey: :eek: :) 👍 :gtpflag:
 
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I’ll agree that the tyre model does feel (I’d imagine) more realistic, I’ve not driven a touring car or a GT300 in real life but I reckon they’re a handful. But how people are churning out faster laps with this new model is beyond me, I’m at least a second slower than every time trial time I have saved.

I haven’t driven any N-class cars since the update.
 
MidFieldMaven
During a race, losing traction is undesirable.
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Understood, maybe I need to lay out where I'm going.
In races, you can clearly see those who drive in such a manner as to run their tires off quicker in an effort to gain spots early... then, after a few laps of hard charging, "defending" to keep those spots.
Guessing by your response you are not that type, rather settling in on racing at a pace that is maintainable throughout the tire/pit cycle.
Where am I going?
Provided you note the above is indeed your driving style...
And from what I've seen in videos, and the results you have noted (your results being contrary to the majority here, and some of those who are recognized as fast)...
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I'm guessing the new tire model is going to reward driving within the limits of the car, vs charging hard and over-driving - which in watching videos and my limited sport mode experience seems to be the norm...
I believe the folks who over-drive have been getting away with it due to a flawed tire model for some time now.
Good friend of mine over-drives the car relentlessly, as a result turns in a faster "one-lap" pace than do I, yet, over 4 laps it evens out, and I can go quicker on lap 4, and even stretch out lap 5 at pace...
His driving style should have more drastic consequences...
I think that may be what we are staring to see... hard charging creates slower lap times...
Smooth driving within the limits rewards...

Thoughts?
 
ThePhantomAli
I’ll agree that the tyre model does feel (I’d imagine) more realistic, I’ve not driven a touring car or a GT300 in real life but I reckon they’re a handful. But how people are churning out faster laps with this new model is beyond me, I’m at least a second slower than every time trial time I have saved.

I haven’t driven any N-class cars since the update.
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Personally it’s the N cars that feel the most different.

In the race cars I’m actually maybe a second or two off, but I expect myself to start matching my old times soon.
 
All my N100 times at Tsukuba improved by over 1 second, with the Alpine A110 improving the most, by over 2 seconds (!!!)

I just finished re-testing my first N200 car, the Alfa Romeo 4C, and it only improved by 4 tenths of a second. I'll have to test more N200 cars and see what kind of pattern develops, if any.

Oversteer is much more controllable with my T300 wheel than it was before the update. My fastest laps don't contain drifts, but on some laps they just happen, and I find myself spinning out less often now because they are easier to catch.
 
I have a strange suspicion that the 1.23 update may have also reworked the FFB on non-TGT wheels. Although I agree with the consensus that it is an improvement, but as a TGT user, the FFB is very similar to previous patch. Yes there is more detail and slipangle feel, but nothing dramatic...maybe 1.23 finally addressed concerns from non-TGT owners?
 
dabz343
I have a strange suspicion that the 1.23 update may have also reworked the FFB on non-TGT wheels. Although I agree with the consensus that it is an improvement, but as a TGT user, the FFB is very similar to previous patch. Yes there is more detail and slipangle feel, but nothing dramatic...maybe 1.23 finally addressed concerns from non-TGT owners?
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On the G29 it felt a little bit more rubbery. And with less "notching" on some weird spots (I particularly remember some weird notching when going through the interlagos banked curve, the one thats basically the main straight), now it feels smoother.
 
dabz343
... as a TGT user, the FFB is very similar to previous patch. Yes there is more detail and slipangle feel, but nothing dramatic...maybe 1.23 finally addressed concerns from non-TGT owners?
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T-GT here, I agree. FFB feels pretty similar for me, too. Gonna try ABS weak to see if there's any improvement in brake lock-up feel.
 
Here's a shot I took of tire flex in Daily (Weekly) Race A:

IMG-20180801-WA0011.jpeg


Sorry for the quality, took it with my mobile phone.
 
dabz343
I have a strange suspicion that the 1.23 update may have also reworked the FFB on non-TGT wheels. Although I agree with the consensus that it is an improvement, but as a TGT user, the FFB is very similar to previous patch. Yes there is more detail and slipangle feel, but nothing dramatic...maybe 1.23 finally addressed concerns from non-TGT owners?
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Yes, I would say that there is more feel and detail from the FFB on a G29 overall, most noticeable for me is the car squirming under heavy braking.

However given that FFB, if done correctly, is directly linked to the physics I tend to believe that this is an effect of the new physics model rather then anything PD have deliberately done with the FFB implementation.
 
The tire model felt great before, and still feels great now. It isn't a dramatic change at all but definitely no complaints about thew updated model from me.
 
I love Bathurst, but I've never been great at it, especially not with the Ferrari Gr.3. On the mountain I always felt barely in control of what was going on. It was a constant battle to prevent oversteer on the Ferrari on those tight downhill corners. But I gotta say it's so much fun to drive with the new tire model, and so much more intuitive. I'm way off my fastest old time, but given practice I feel like I can make good progress on it and be more consistent as well.

Kudos to PD for such a significant improvement.
 
T-GT owner here. I also think most of what's being felt is more to do with the new tyre physics model rather than the FFB itself, but I'm still unsure if they've actually tied it to the car physics. I can definitely feel the tyres squirming around under brakes and the Comfort and Sports tyre variants actually feel like they have sidewalls now. Vast improvement IMHO. :)
 
I’ve lost 1 second on Blue Moon speedway with the tomahawk, she has less grip and less power. Before I was able to pass the 7th but now it’s impossible.
Well that’s not a bad thing at least :lol:
 
Hello guys I finally found some time to do some minor testing. I am driving with a wheel. I read more that wheel users seem to like the changes more than DS4 users.

I think the new tyre model is not a big difference for me with gruppe cars and race tyres. I feel the tyres are sliding a bit earlier. Need to adapt to this. But I also feel counter steering is realistic enough to correct this. These are all minor differences of course. The FBB seems also better, but the problem is I read this so it could be between my ears. I definitely do not think its worse, thats for sure.

My laptimes are not slower. If they are not as fast I need to adapt a little. But I managed to get about the same laptimes as before with gruppe and race tyres.

I did notice a lot of positive difference with N-class cars and SH tyres. Those cars have completely changed in a positive way ! The tyre smoke from the start was very unrealistic and is now almost gone. The cars dont slide like crazy anymore. So those are way more realistic now and also the ABS seems to finally work properly. Switching off ABS completely finally gives a realistic feel. I dont know if I can learn to brake better that way, but before it was impossible to brake properly when switched off.

So far I am very happy with the new tyre model as a wheel user !
 
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Lord Protector
OH MAN! I just love the way tires deform and flex now!!!

Like here in this video at 5:27



I love it and I cannot wait to play the damn game :D
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To me, the tyre flex is porn. Never have I seen a tyre deform soo much in a video game!
 
I was completely caught off guard by the adjustments made in the tire model. I tried to farm credits yesterday using the usual X-Bow at BMB in GT League, I haven't changed my setup before the update and yet my X-Bow felt very slippery even with RSS tires on the rear. Took me a few adjustments (mainly with the dampers on the rear) but it feels grippy again. I'll have to test more cars to get a better feel of the new tire model.
 
I feel like im the only one struggling, i hate this new tyre model.

I only play Sport mode and Bop on, RH tyres just gives understeer and a looser back end than Katy Price.
 
phil_75
I feel like I'm the only one struggling, i hate this new tyre model.

I only play Sport mode and Bop on, RH tyres just gives understeer and a looser back end than Katy Price.
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So far there are 17 other people who feel it's worse, & 66 people who don't know what they feel as of yet. So, either way you're not alone. I think it's improved road cars the most, because Comfort & Sports tyres have been given more grip. Racing tyres seem to have been nerfed somewhat, & are indeed slower from what people are reporting. And, I do think there's more understeer with the Sports tyres too, which is the last thing we need from The Real Understeering Simulator!

That said, are you finding the car easier to catch when the rear end goes?
 
VBR
So far there are 17 other people who feel it's worse, & 66 people who don't know what they feel as of yet. So, either way you're not alone. I think it's improved road cars the most, because Comfort & Sports tyres have been given more grip. Racing tyres seem to have been nerfed somewhat, & are indeed slower from what people are reporting. And, I do think there's more understeer with the Sports tyres too, which is the last thing we need from The Real Understeering Simulator!

That said, are you finding the car easier to catch when the rear end goes?
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Definitely felt the understeer with the Gr. 4 Lancer on Suzuka. I couldn't keep the darn car on the road until my 3rd lap!
 

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