Presidential Election: 2012

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Well... US servicemen have 'immunity' in Afghanistan so it's basically up to the US to sort out the US's mess. Afghanistan should be more tough and say, "We can go potty by ourselves now. kthnxbi".

Good luck getting the British to, weirdly, revolt against the Americans. We're being spitroasted by you guys at one end and the EU at the other.
 
What happened yesterday in Missouri? It seemed extremely un-official and poorly run. Then again, the government has never been known for running things properly.
 
What happened yesterday in Missouri? It seemed extremely un-official and poorly run. Then again, the government has never been known for running things properly.
Missouri's official caucuses were held this weekend. The caucus, as in other caucus-holding states, is not run by the State, but the Republican (or Democratic) party of that state.

It's a widely known fact that Romney has always been the Republican party favorite. There have been shenanigans done by the Republican party of various states to other candidates in order to benefit Romney, not just Ron Paul but Santorum and Gingrich have also suffered from rule twisting and all sorts of bad things.

The biggest story is that one particular caucus was adjourned even before any vote was taken because the caucus Chairman wanted it run his way and threatened to end it if people didn't turn off their video cameras. They didn't turn them off. The Chairman ordered people arrested and ended the caucus meet before any vote had been taken. Virtually everything he did violated the rules. The Missouri State Republican party has even condemned it - this went beyond typical party shenanigans and instead was conducted by the group of people in charge of the caucus, namely the Chairman.

This post on Daily Paul gathers various news articles and posts about the subject. Too much good material to list here.
 
Everybody calm down! I got this.


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The thing about Ron Paul is that mainstream America doesn't really know him outside of College campuses.

He has the Hipster demographic if my conversations with various students on campus can tell me. One issue I have with him is his foreign policy, which I believe is too fanciful, and his stance on ending the fed.

Can't just abruptly end the system which we bankrolled with for the most part of our existence as a nation.

I think I don't need to tell you why Republicans aren't getting my vote, but if he won the nomination, I'd think hard between Obama and him at the booth before I cast my vote.
 
Get to go to the polls in a few hours, still undecided though.

Guess I'll decide when I get there.

Voted for Sanortum.

Sanortum, eh? So Mitt Ronmey, Pon Rual and Newt Gingerich didn't appeal to you?

Oh well, if you put that much effort in deciding who to vote for, you deserve what you get.
 
Sanortum, eh? So Mitt Ronmey, Pon Rual and Newt Gingerich didn't appeal to you?

Oh well, if you put that much effort in deciding who to vote for, you deserve what you get.


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I got home from voting and slammed a beer. Guess it kicked in. :lol:

Illinois voting is weird. First you vote the beauty contest, then you vote for delegates.

So I voted Santorum for the beauty contest, and voted 3 delegates for Paul.
 
Sorry about that, I couldn't resist... :lol:

It certainly seems that alot of states have pretty weird voting systems - I don't understand what the point of these beauty contests are really. I guess the Paul campaign will be hoping that there are plenty more people like yourself out there.

To answer EE's point from earlier (but with more than the requested one word!), I'd say technically Ron Paul does still have a chance of being POTUS 45, but it's a very small one - I certainly wouldn't be betting the farm on it, personally!
 
What made you vote for Santorum? I mean, he's such a douchebag that I wouldn't even vote for him if I was totally clueless on their platforms.
 
Beauty contest? Some kind of weird slang, or exactly what it says?

Beauty contest, means nothing. The delegate vote is what counts.

What made you vote for Santorum? I mean, he's such a douchebag that I wouldn't even vote for him if I was totally clueless on their platforms.

For me, it was a toss up between him and Romney.
 
Why not Romney?

Sorry, but Santorum just seems completely crazy in my eyes.

I figured Romney was going to win anyway, so might as well help out Santorum.

I really don't have a favorite this time around. I'm just one of the ABO (Anybody But Obama) crowd.
 
I figured Romney was going to win anyway, so might as well help out Santorum.

I really don't have a favorite this time around. I'm just one of the ABO (Anybody But Obama) crowd.

Problem is that anyone but Ron Paul may as well be Obama. And Santorum and Gingrich are far, far worse.

Also,
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That's amazing editing, I love the part with Obama at the beginning :lol:
 
Because popular vote is not what the Republican Nomination for President is based on in most cases. It's based on the number of delegates the nominee has accumulated. Delegates are supposed to be representative of the consensus from the area in which they were chosen, but in most cases the law does not require them to vote for the nominee which they were actually chosen to represent, which means that some delegates might actually vote for Paul at their convention, despite being chosen to vote for Romney. A large number of delegates chosen so far are not yet committed to any candidate at all - news organizations are reporting Romney with a large number of delegates, while Paul is reported as having way fewer, when in actuality there is a mass of uncommitted delegates nearly as large as Romney's total floating out there who will probably vote for Paul if the choice comes down to Romney vs. Paul. That's a situation Paul supporters are working hard to create.

Also keep in mind the substantial, but unverified, evidence of vote rigging in pretty much all the caucus-holding states. Caucuses are run by the political party of that state, in this case the Republican party, not the state government like primary votes, and are generally immune to actual government oversight, therefore their fairness has been questionable throughout American caucus history. The Republican party counts the votes at multiple levels, eventually ending up with a whole final vote. They're in charge of the numbers, and it's easy to imagine them manipulating the vote to favor the party's preferred candidate.

Basically, the Ron Paul organization is relatively underground and isn't being reported by Big Media. As long as we can keep the money flowing to his campaign to pay the workers and pay for advertising, I'm confident that jaws will drop when the time comes.
 
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