Presidential Election: 2012
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I did miss this post. Still, odd choice for the beauty contest (those votes translate to press and public opinion of potential), but we appreciate the Paul delegates. Sorry for being so critical.
50% beauty contest, 25% positive press, and 25% general public opinion. Shallow morons see that a candidate continually does well, so they vote for them because they're too dumb to make their own decisions.
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There's been much talk of a recent GOP rule which states that a candidate must win five or more states (on delegate count) before he can appear on the first ballot at the RNC in Tampa...
Ron Paul's campaign are fairly confident that this won't affect them directly, but many are speculating that Newt Gingrich may fail to make it onto the first ballot because of this. Ron Paul's aides also concede that it is 'not a foregone conclusion' that Paul will make it into the first ballot either, but Paul's delegate sweeping strategy should hold him in good stead.
What I don't understand/know is: if Gingrich didn't appear on the first ballot, what happens to his delegates in the first ballot at the RNC? I assume they would still have to vote, but couldn't vote for Gingrich, so they'd have to vote for someone else? If Gingrich does what he says he is going to do, and stay in the race until the RNC, he could pick up around 300 delegates... the situation could be even more pronounced in Ron Paul didn't make it onto the first ballot, since he could/probably will have more delegates than Gingrich, and they may be split more evenly between Romney and Santorum.
Am I right in saying that the number of delegates bound to each candidate is finalised before the RNC, and then they have to vote for that delegate at the RNC? Plus, there are unbound delegates who can vote for anyone? If so, if either Gingrich or Paul (and especially if both) fail to make it onto the first ballot, Romney would win on the first ballot...? Or would these delegates not vote and still scupper Romney?
Ron Paul's campaign are fairly confident that this won't affect them directly, but many are speculating that Newt Gingrich may fail to make it onto the first ballot because of this. Ron Paul's aides also concede that it is 'not a foregone conclusion' that Paul will make it into the first ballot either, but Paul's delegate sweeping strategy should hold him in good stead.
What I don't understand/know is: if Gingrich didn't appear on the first ballot, what happens to his delegates in the first ballot at the RNC? I assume they would still have to vote, but couldn't vote for Gingrich, so they'd have to vote for someone else? If Gingrich does what he says he is going to do, and stay in the race until the RNC, he could pick up around 300 delegates... the situation could be even more pronounced in Ron Paul didn't make it onto the first ballot, since he could/probably will have more delegates than Gingrich, and they may be split more evenly between Romney and Santorum.
Am I right in saying that the number of delegates bound to each candidate is finalised before the RNC, and then they have to vote for that delegate at the RNC? Plus, there are unbound delegates who can vote for anyone? If so, if either Gingrich or Paul (and especially if both) fail to make it onto the first ballot, Romney would win on the first ballot...? Or would these delegates not vote and still scupper Romney?
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That's correct, TM. Not sure how no-votes would work and if that's even allowed.
Rest assured that the GOP leadership will do absolutely anything they possibly can to prevent Ron Paul from winning.
It's ironic that this new rule would shift the "Republicans" farther away from a republican system and more towards pure democracy than the Democrats.
Rest assured that the GOP leadership will do absolutely anything they possibly can to prevent Ron Paul from winning.
It's ironic that this new rule would shift the "Republicans" farther away from a republican system and more towards pure democracy than the Democrats.
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Newt's campaign is in the red currently. Financial numbers should have been turned in recently or in the coming days so let me see if I can find them...
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Another celebrity endorsement for Ron Paul.
And for those who believe that Ron Paul is wrong on Iran:
http://news.yahoo.com/special-report--intel-shows-iran-nuclear-threat-not-imminent.html
And for those who believe that Ron Paul is wrong on Iran:
http://news.yahoo.com/special-report--intel-shows-iran-nuclear-threat-not-imminent.html
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"Natural news, powered by people naturally."
Am I missing something? When did the internet become a free-roaming cute little animal in the picturesque country side and not an intangible construct made out of several man-made materials and the electricity required to access it made by burning precious resources?
Am I missing something? When did the internet become a free-roaming cute little animal in the picturesque country side and not an intangible construct made out of several man-made materials and the electricity required to access it made by burning precious resources?
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Wow, triple post. Sorry gang. But...
Mitt Romney has called Russia the US' #1 geopolitical foe. Medvedev is not amused
Medveded advised Romney to 'use his head'. Wishful thinking. Ironic that Romney is pandering to the classic conception of Russian corruption when he is running for office on the back of fabricated votes and being propped up by the big companies.
Mitt Romney has called Russia the US' #1 geopolitical foe. Medvedev is not amused
Medveded advised Romney to 'use his head'. Wishful thinking. Ironic that Romney is pandering to the classic conception of Russian corruption when he is running for office on the back of fabricated votes and being propped up by the big companies.
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american politics range from centre right to the far right
they are all is very elitist
the rich minority control american society and use thier wealth and power to keep the status quo which shows how corrupt the system is, it tramples on the hard working americans and gives a bad name for them to the rest of the world, they are also manipulated by the clever elite into being fooled by voting for them because of national pride is a myth
also the wikileaks scandal just shows that the US puts it's supposed national security above it's idealogy of freedom and liberty and will deal with murderous, corrupt dictators just for self interest and turns a blind eye to the attrocities of the regimes
they are all is very elitist
the rich minority control american society and use thier wealth and power to keep the status quo which shows how corrupt the system is, it tramples on the hard working americans and gives a bad name for them to the rest of the world, they are also manipulated by the clever elite into being fooled by voting for them because of national pride is a myth
also the wikileaks scandal just shows that the US puts it's supposed national security above it's idealogy of freedom and liberty and will deal with murderous, corrupt dictators just for self interest and turns a blind eye to the attrocities of the regimes
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Except that you'd find, if you really wanted to look, that we actually have socialist programs that rival Europe. We spend gobs of money on socialized medical care, food handouts, money handouts (to young people and seniors alike) and housing handouts, and we have some of the highest corporate tax rates around. We also have a very "progressive" tax structure designed to soak the rich, almost the entire lower half of earners in America pay zero federal income tax.
Sound like center right to far right to you?
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You can't think of the political spectrum as a line. It leads to a lot of confusion because of the limited spectrum. A Nolan chart describes it better.
Nearly all of our current and past politicans are centrists. They waver around a bit from left to right, but in terms of "liberal" vs. "conservative" they're pretty much in the middle with respect to people throughout history.
But "liberal" or "conservative" doesn't count for much in term's of the person's attitude toward government power. For that you must read the chart up and down, from "libertarian" which promotes limited government as we *should* have in the States, to "statist" which supports total power like fascists.
While most of our politicans are centrists, they're also on the south end of the spectrum, generally favoring an increase in government power. Our Republican party tends to lean right, toward economic freedom, but also more strongly toward totalitarianism than Democrats, whereas Democrats shy away from economic freedom in favor of social freedom, while also leaning toward totalitarianism to a lesser degree.
The point to take from that is that both our political parties are full of power-hungry morons. Ron Paul and people like him place on the complete opposite side of the scale; they're very close to the top, favoring economic freedom and social freedom equally and to a high degree. They're not at the tippy top (that's where anarchists are) because libertarians still favor the "correct" amount of government, just enough to protect rights and uphold justice, etc. The government only steps in when people make bad decisions, unlike a Democratic or Republican regime where the government simply doesn't allow people to make decisions at all.
Nearly all of our current and past politicans are centrists. They waver around a bit from left to right, but in terms of "liberal" vs. "conservative" they're pretty much in the middle with respect to people throughout history.
But "liberal" or "conservative" doesn't count for much in term's of the person's attitude toward government power. For that you must read the chart up and down, from "libertarian" which promotes limited government as we *should* have in the States, to "statist" which supports total power like fascists.
While most of our politicans are centrists, they're also on the south end of the spectrum, generally favoring an increase in government power. Our Republican party tends to lean right, toward economic freedom, but also more strongly toward totalitarianism than Democrats, whereas Democrats shy away from economic freedom in favor of social freedom, while also leaning toward totalitarianism to a lesser degree.
The point to take from that is that both our political parties are full of power-hungry morons. Ron Paul and people like him place on the complete opposite side of the scale; they're very close to the top, favoring economic freedom and social freedom equally and to a high degree. They're not at the tippy top (that's where anarchists are) because libertarians still favor the "correct" amount of government, just enough to protect rights and uphold justice, etc. The government only steps in when people make bad decisions, unlike a Democratic or Republican regime where the government simply doesn't allow people to make decisions at all.
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If you know they think there are only two things say fiscally conservative, socially liberal. It is not exact, but it prevents them from thinking the wrong thing about you on most issues. If they still don't get it, just say you think a man should be able to be rich without facing lots of taxes while he marries his gay lover.
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Interesting about that Nolan Chart. I took the survey here and fell in the dead center. I guess I'm not completely liberal or conservative, but rather like to decide certain issues as they come. I almost wish government was more like that in a way. Less opposing parties, less black and white sides, and more focusing on issues as they come.
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