Project R

[scoddee]

... For those that think that is insane, I wont argue however I wont ask what they spend on cigs or booze over a 3 year period neither.

How long have you been waiting to get that off your chest ? Don't hat(t)e Mr Latte. As usual I'm following your project with admiration (jealousy) and interest. 👍

Scotty

 

[scoddee]

hows this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HD-Projec...tronics_Video_Electronics&hash=item3368b0dad8


??

640 by 480 native rez. 👎

Scotty

 

[amf7]

I missed that LOL

 

[Mr Latte]

How long have you been waiting to get that off your chest ? Don't hat(t)e Mr Latte. As usual I'm following your project with admiration (jealousy) and interest. 👍

Scotty

Thanks Scoddee, I guess Ive decided why should I feel guilty spending the amount of money on this over a long time when others waste theirs in other ways that suit them. Still I know the haters will hate and people will criticise or contest if I am sane or just crazy.

An area of the shop store approx 12x9 FT will be used for this setup. The beauty of the projector is that it should be possible to have it sitting above the roll cage over my head projecting a 100"-120" image within I expect what will be approx 6Ft from a wall. Thats a BIG screen for that distance back. The triple monitors will be devised that they can easily be lifted off to allow the projector to operate. Ive also read that for 3D to really look impressive even 50"/60" 3DTVs just dont do it justice. The big screen combined with the audio/tactile should offer a superb gaming experience.

Im still working the cable management in my head for whats required.

 

[Tesla]

This has to be the best cockpits I've read about. It's incredible looking through the progress that you've made on it. When do you plan to finish it? And when you do tire of racing, what do you plan to do with it?

 

[ilonioum]

Mr. Latte, after you told me about the "Project R" yesterday I read through the whole thread today, took me 9 hours of reading I feel just like we were friends for last couple of years and I know what you are up to.
You already know that I'm planning to build a new cockpit, but compared to what you are doing my plans are... can't compare really. Lot of respect and must admit we all are living similar lives. Wife, a kid, business and passion for racing games and a need for such projects that can keep us busy and bring us joy along with that

I have a few questions for you regarding the new rig I'm planning to build but only if you have time

All the best my friend!

 

[Mr Latte]

Hi guys, thanks for the kind words. I take some pleasure in knowing some are enjoying this "project" or can relate to it.
Nice to see other members have similar passion.

Well perhaps we do these things because of the inner child still within us? I feel part of my reasons in doing this are not just for the interest in racing games but partly also as ecapasim from daily life/stress/worries. Ive always been a techy type into AV technology and have a creative mindset.

ilonioum, by all means any help I can offer I will, so go ahead with any questions you want.
Ive been to your lovely country and seen the famous wall of Nicosia. Had friends once that were stationed at the top of the Troodus Mountain many years ago. Now thats a winding and scary road trip!

 

[ilonioum]

Hi guys, thanks for the kind words. I take some pleasure in knowing some are enjoying this "project" or can relate to it.
Nice to see other members have similar passion.

Well perhaps we do these things because of the inner child still within us? I feel part of my reasons in doing this are not just for the interest in racing games but partly also as ecapasim from daily life/stress/worries. Ive always been a techy type into AV technology and have a creative mindset.

ilonioum, by all means any help I can offer I will, so go ahead with any questions you want.
Ive been to your lovely country and seen the famous wall of Nicosia. Had friends once that were stationed at the top of the Troodus Mountain many years ago. Now thats a winding and scary road trip!

If you decide to visit our sunny island again please do let me know as would be a great pleasure to meet you in person

and thank you for helping me!

Now, I would like to add some Clark Synthesis and Buttkickers or/and Aura Pro to my new setup. The rig is going to be the classic stile (VisionRacer, Playseat etc) but custom made. It will be made for CSR Elite, CSS and CSP.

The question is how many and which tactile units would you suggest for this type of a rig and which AMP/EQ? Which would be points you would install those tactile units at?

I hope I'm not asking for too much

Thanks again!

 

[Mr Latte]

What I recommend you do is consider buying one of each.
This way you can test to determine if you have your own personal preference.

Id say the Aura Pro offer great value and perform really well for gaming. Not that bad with music neither. Im no expert by any means but Id say the Clarke produce more detail with good timing, a little less low end smack though and thats why I used them for surround channels. The Buttkickers (mini LFE Model) produce more wallop but with less finesse and the Aura Pro are kinda in between but dont have the same level of detail in tactile with say music material.

The larger Buttkicker BKA 300 is good for a stronger sensation and combines well with using smaller ones for directional tactile. When adding multiple units you will find that the volume doesnt have to be ran that high on these.

Look for 4ohm amplification or switching and 100W should be more than adequete. Ive yet to test the BKA 300 on seperate amplification although its own amplifer is aparently 300w. Its timing in some material can become a little off, say a few ms in lag, nothing major but dectable to the expereinced user.

Adding EQ is something to do later for more control.
Stick with amplifer volumes in the beginning. Look for amplifers that are reviewed to have decent amplification. Few now have 4ohm switching. I have ran at home several tactile units via a 6/8ohm amplifer with no issues and moderate volumes. However you do that at your own risk to the amplifer if indeed you do not use a model with 4ohms.

A really good cockpit should have L/R tactile on the seat, LFE tactile below the seat and at least one tactile on the pedal section.
That produces a really immersive experience and like night n day compared to say a single Buttkicker Gamer experience. Adding more tactile to additional surround channels etc just takes it all a notch further.

Start with getting at least 3 units then you can experiment with having stereo and testing other channels like "Centre" / "Surround" and placing them on your cockpit in the apppropriate positions. Sending tactile to your feet when also getting tactile in the seat helps increase the immersion and many games you feel your engine and the exhaust in the pedals (using centre channel decoding) if closely following a car in front.

 

[Mr Latte]

If enough people ask I will consider doing a detailed beginners guide on tactile and the different models/brands I have tested.
Please to anyone reading this if interested just send me a PM if youd like to see such done.

 

[ilonioum]

If enough people ask I will consider doing a detailed beginners guide on tactile and the different models/brands I have tested.
Please to anyone reading this if interested just send me a PM if youd like to see such done.

Thank you for your detailed reply, it is really helpful and helps to put all bits and pieces together. Where do you suggest to order all these, considering that I also live in EU and VAT will apply if imported from abroad.

As for the beginners guide - that would be fantastic, especially considering that most of that guide is already here in this thread, but apparently not everybody would go through the whole thread as I did today

 

[sandboxgod]

New Hardware / Visuals

The cockpit may not be going far in building but the hardware is collecting rightly.
Having triple screens is nice but most of my playing is likely to be on consoles, so that limits me to 1x 24" screen on 95% of games. Thats what sucks with triple monitor setups on consoles. You get a great experience for those (err few games that support it) and only a small screen experience for the rest.

However this being "Project R" thats just not going to be good enough

I mentioned in this thread a few times and on the forums of a new 3D affordable projector due to be released.
Optoma announced their newest "Game Time" projector based on their popular GT720 model waay back in June at E3, their latest model being the GT750. This has increased specs with a really high Lumens making it ideal for living rooms and not just "bat caves". Not much has been released about it since.

Ive really been tempted and took the plunge today ordering one of the first available units in the UK. With seeing so many great looking FM4 images. Besides I recently sold my Panasonic 720P AX 100 projector awaiting this one.

Being a short throw projector it is ideal for "Move/Kinect" as the projector can be in front of the player not behind casting shadows. An example, is obtaining a 100" screen from only a 5FT or approx 60" distance so perfect for small living rooms.

DLP technology is very good for not being effected as bad with the dredded "3d Crosstalk". Something Sonys very own LCD/LED HDTVs suffer from quite badly. Plasma from Panasonic/Samsung havnt faired so bad with 3D it seems. So I will be testing GT5 on this with a 100"+ 3D screen to see how that experience compares to the triple displays.

What makes this projector also appealing is that it will handle HDMI 1.4 3D with no adapters or converters. Lastly it also supports Nvidia 3D vision or can be operated in 2D for super smooth 120FPS gaming.

How much, well I got the Projector and DLP Glasses/Reciever for £610 delivered. Thats amazing value and even better considering my old projector sold for £250.

do tell more when you get this projector. Sounds pretty awesome

[quick edit] Wait- FM 4 isn't 3d capable is it? Just making sure I didnt miss something [edit2] nvm, I see what you meant

 

[Mr Latte]

Well its been dispatched.

FM4 isnt 3D which I think is a shame however Halo Anniversary Edition will be and GOW 3 is. Of course then their are the several PS3 titles already out including Crysis 2 and I think the last COD was. Also several more new ones due in the coming year including Sonic Generations.

The beauty is having the option, if the 3D is indeed poorly implemented in some games or not that amazing theirs always the ability to play in 2D on a still huge impressive screen. Its also so light and easily portable.

This project isnt just a racing frame/cockpit but a complete gaming entertainment solution, hence why the cockpit will be built around the hardware. 3D projection was one such hole that needed filled and has been of my list of must have's 💡

 

[amf7]

Do but kickers actually work on PS3? or are you planning on using them for PC only?

 

[Mr Latte]

Do but kickers actually work on PS3? or are you planning on using them for PC only?

They work with anything that produces audio.
Im not for using PC, well not in the short term future.

When its done your only a cheap flight away from me ya know.
Being a Mclaren fan your welcome.

PM me on where your from.

 

[amf7]

They work with anything that produces audio.
Im not for using PC, well not in the short term future.

When its done your only a cheap flight away from me ya know.
Being a Mclaren fan your welcome.

PM me on where your from.

Cool that would be great.. a few years away though LOL

 

[edgley]

ilonioum,
www.partsexpress.com is one place to get the kickers from.
They dispatch very quickly, using FedEx.

You will get hit for the charges, but there is nothing much one can do about that, unless a Chinese supplier could be found.

 

[ilonioum]

ilonioum,
www.partsexpress.com is one place to get the kickers from.
They dispatch very quickly, using FedEx.

You will get hit for the charges, but there is nothing much one can do about that, unless a Chinese supplier could be found.

Thank you, I have also submitted an international dealer application to Clark Synthesis, so soon I will be selling those tactile units in Europe and have the benefit to use them on my rig off course.

 

[Mr Latte]

Sorry I assumed youd of seen links to "Parts Express" as ive linked them several times in the past.

 

[ilonioum]

Sorry I assumed youd of seen links to "Parts Express" as ive linked them several times in the past.

I did mate, you are right. I have contacted Clark Synthetics though and now I'm their International Distributor I have an online shop and do some distribution.

 

[Mr Latte]

I did mate, you are right. I have contacted Clark Synthetics though and now I'm their International Distributor I have an online shop and do some distribution.

Good news.

Does that allow you though to sell the T209 model which I think is a special for "Parts Express". The T209 is approx 1/2 the price of the "Silver" but has maybe 2/3rd the performance which is more than adequete for cockpits.

Silver, Gold, Platinium all seem to have better specs but they are the same size which maybe limits to a degree the benefits on instalations for single seats or chairs. Large sofas or platforms may benefit more from those models covering a wider area with a more pronounced tactile performance. However at prices that do become quite expensive id think the market for them is more limited.

Keep us informed...

 

[ilonioum]

Good news.

Does that allow you though to sell the T209 model which I think is a special for "Parts Express". The T209 is approx 1/2 the price of the "Silver" but has maybe 2/3rd the performance which is more than adequete for cockpits.

Silver, Gold, Platinium all seem to have better specs but they are the same size which maybe limits to a degree the benefits on instalations for single seats or chairs. Large sofas or platforms may benefit more from those models covering a wider area with a more pronounced tactile performance. However at prices that do become quite expensive id think the market for them is more limited.

Keep us informed...

You are absolutely right, the T209 seems to be exclusive (left from the old stock) for Part Express. I can buy the silvers for roughly 100 bucks + delivery for my own use but not sure if they are worth it.

 

[Mr Latte]

I know some guys say that even the Platnium doesnt have the strongest low end compared to a similar priced Buttkicker. Then again I think the Clarke Tactile would appeal more to the music enthausiast or home cinema fan that doesnt mind paying that bit more.

The Clarkes do have a much wider frequency response than Buttkicker, yet strangely IIRC the frequency response is the same for the T209 model as it is for say the Platnium. For me the problem with that is you could buy a T209 and like I did match it with audible subwoofers to probably get a better allround effect at a similar pricepoint and also benefiting with the audible BASS improving as well as the tactile response. Alternatively buying a Buttkicker for LFE duties as it has better low end performance. I didnt end up with different models/brands by chance you see but by their own abilities with my own testing and experiences with my own installation configuration. I guess personal preference was a lot to do with it also.


You could always consider Crowson Tactile.
How about these for a mere $926

Honestly the Aura Pro is great for its price althought the Clarke T209 comes with great mounting options included and it is the only Clarke Model I believe that can also be installed vertically. Something to take note of.

The Mobsim Cockpit (French) is available with a Clarke Tactile Platnium model.
I do not know of any other cockpit brand that offer Clarke Tactile as an option.

 

[ilonioum]

I know some guys say that even the Platnium doesnt have the strongest low end compared to a similar priced Buttkicker. Then again I think the Clarke Tactile would appeal more to the music enthausiast or home cinema fan that doesnt mind paying that bit more.

The Clarkes do have a much wider frequency response than Buttkicker, yet strangely IIRC the frequency response is the same for the T209 model as it is for say the Platnium. For me the problem with that is you could buy a T209 and like I did match it with audible subwoofers to probably get a better allround effect at a similar pricepoint and also benefiting with the audible BASS improving as well as the tactile response. Alternatively buying a Buttkicker for LFE duties as it has better low end performance. I didnt end up with different models/brands by chance you see but by their own abilities with my own testing and experiences with my own installation configuration. I guess personal preference was a lot to do with it also.


You could always consider Crowson Tactile.
How about these for a mere $926

Honestly the Aura Pro is great for its price althought the Clarke T209 comes with great mounting options included and it is the only Clarke Model I believe that can also be installed vertically. Something to take note of.

I believe I will buy 2 Clarks for the cockpit and place them vertically on the sides of the seat as you did, 1 Buttkicker for the underneath of the seat not directly to the seat thou as you suggested, 1 Aura or a small buttkicker at the pedal area. I also think whether i should get 2 more to place at the sides of the seat, got totally confused now

 

[ilonioum]

one more thing, do you think I can do without the BKA 300 or it is better to get it. I'm asking because it is 300 BP + delivery and that is a lot just for 1 buttkicker and I cannot find any second hand online

 

[Mr Latte]

Will try to take the bka300 to the shop to try it on the SONY AMP. I'm not sure if their will be much difference compared to its own amp. For 300 watts it doesn't feel like that so maybe they use rather generous power ratings.

You could fit 2x mini LFE under your knees for L/R and use the Clarkes as surrounds like ive done.

 

[ilonioum]

Will try to take the bka300 to the shop to try it on the SONY AMP. I'm not sure if their will be much difference compared to its own amp. For 300 watts it doesn't feel like that so maybe they use rather generous power ratings.

You could fit 2x mini LFE under your knees for L/R and use the Clarkes as surrounds like ive done.

will be expecting for your feedback on this and some photos of your beauty, if possible. Cheers!

 

[ilonioum]

Will try to take the bka300 to the shop to try it on the SONY AMP. I'm not sure if their will be much difference compared to its own amp. For 300 watts it doesn't feel like that so maybe they use rather generous power ratings.

You could fit 2x mini LFE under your knees for L/R and use the Clarkes as surrounds like ive done.

would you sell me one of your Sony amps?

 

[Mr Latte]

PM me as I think the forums have rules or a community market.

 

[Mr Latte]

Toy Time

It arrived...

The room for the cockpit isnt ready yet of course but ive tested what seems to be the position I would be placing this from a wall. Im considering a 120" motorised screen (£110+) and the remote for it can be programmed into the ipad/iphone.

The quality seems pretty good from early test on a bad wall. Hasnt the same sharpness or detail as an old 1080p Panasonic AX2000 I once owned but then again that was a £2000 projector at the time.

A 120" motorised screen 3D projector setup for under £730 is pretty damn good I reckon.

This guy seems impressed with GOW3 in 3D anyways so Im really hyped to properly try out a few games in 3D on such a large screen.