Project R

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Ya Pops
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Hee hee, gotta luv Arnie!!!

Im not getting my hopes up but really with todays findings and the 1200 ES amps seemingly running the 7 channels and an extra stereo set (B Stereo Speakers) making 9 units with no problems. It might well be possible to run I believe all the audio stuff from the 3x 1200ES amplifers if using (B Stereo Speakers) mode.

Im going to later try the BKA 300 tactile to see if it gets enough amplification with the 100 watts. Im a bit concerned it might not be enough and the same for the dual rear subs. However, it's not always the wattage that counts but the quality of the amplification and the 1200ES were quite well rated in that respect with multiple awards. Additionally these wont be ran even close to max volume as it would be unbearable with so many audio devices or 2000+ watts and in such close proximity.

This "B Stereo Speaker Mode" got me thinking. What would be the best way to connect everything that it would give more control and options. Their will be times for instance I might not want the full effects of all this running together right?

So what if I connected the following as "B Speakers"

Amp 1
1) Base Platform L&R Subwoofers

Amp 2
1) LFE Dual Rear Subwoofers

Amp 3
1) Base Platform Middle LFE Subwoofer
2) LFE Buttkicker BKA 300

The beauty of this would mean any or all of these could be turned off at the touch of a single switch. So my thinking is with this configuration I could cleverly remove "ALL SUBS" and "ALL LFE" from the surround sound and tactile if desired. Or of course just disable whatever ones I wanted.


Hold up... I then thought about what I can run as the (A Stereo Speakers)
With the ability to just have each amp run in "ONLY Stereo Mode". I could then have more control running only one/all or any combination of these:

Amp 1
L & R Stereo Speakers

Amp 2
L & R Stereo Seat Tactile

Amp 3
L & R Stereo Base Platform Tactile

So does anyone like my way of thinking and the cleverness of this, eh?
Okay nobody likes a smart ass, true but I think this could be friggin excellent way to connect it all...
 
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Behringer Im not too found of...its ok for its price but dont last long at least the DJ equipment doesnt (I used to DJ) why not try Makie or Yamaha or Peavey?
 
tribolik
Behringer Im not too found of...its ok for its price but dont last long at least the DJ equipment doesnt (I used to DJ) why not try Makie or Yamaha or Peavey?
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Sorry to hear you had problems. I have them all purchased already from ebay over the past year. However by far most reports/reviews I read were positive.

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DromeGT
:embarrassed: looks amazing mate can't wait to see the finished goods!
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Guess what, neither can I, thanks for the comment...
Your going to love future updates when it really starts coming together.
 
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Because of your HDMI audio problem, does this mean you could ditch the distribution amps and use the optical splitters and send each amp its own signal?

Not only would that be less boxes needing power but you could wire the speakers in such a way that you could shut down amps when the full effort wasn't required.
 
Hi mate, what you say is true it could be done and appreciate the idea...

However 3 reasons Id still go the MULTICHANNEL route.

1) Upgradable with any new future surround decoding or new primary amplifer upto 7 channels
2) I cant use the Behringer EQs with your option and having that control is desired
3) Only need 1 more distrubution box if using "B Speakers"
 
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Testing with an equaliser has been a very mixed bag. It can enchance some things but I find is then detracting with others. Dont get me wrong I dont want EQ to be constantly tweaking, I want it to allow tweeks but only if the tweaking produces good results.

Im not sure if part of the issue for this previous test is with the Sony speakers lacking in mid range and using multiple mini drivers. I havnt the dual stereo subs connected that are going to be used to work in tandem at filling the midrange frequencies. Previous tests at home on my highly regarded Mission speakers worked quite well with EQ so Im a bit surprised here.

I have a feeling while on a technical level it is possible to use EQ on all 7 channels and in theory is a nice idea. I agree that it is, shall we say a bit over eager and that it may not necessarily be a success.

Sometimes I guess having an idea that can work doesnt always mean that its the best thing to do. More testing will be done to decide the fate of the Behringers. I could end up using them just for the tactile and not speakers if I cant get them working better with the speakers being used. Need to recheck settings on the amplifers and connections.
 
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Mr Latte
Sorry to hear you had problems. I have them all purchased already from ebay over the past year. However by far most reports/reviews I read were positive.

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I didnt have problems because I never bought mid low budget gear for DJing I had a Vextax mixer (3 channels - cost 900 euros) but friends of mine had - besides not being very true to the original frequencies it also didnt last all that long but its been at least 3 years since I last researched the market... and its a diferent type of gear.. also I hope it works out for you... as you already bought them.
 
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I didnt have problems because I never bought mid low budget gear for DJing I had a Vextax mixer (3 channels - cost 900 euros) but friends of mine had - besides not being very true to the original frequencies it also didnt last all that long but its been at least 3 years since I last researched the market... and its a diferent type of gear.. also I hope it works out for you... as you already bought them.
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Yeah, take that Mr Latte, we all know your efforts are always half-assed.:rolleyes:

Scotty
 
scoddee
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Yeah, take that Mr Latte, we all know your efforts are always half-assed.:rolleyes:

Scotty
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Sorry... when I first advised agaisnt the behringer I didnt know that he had allready bought one... but when it comes to sound the diferences between gear are as pronounced (or maybe even more) when it comes to quality as lest say a madcat (200) wheel and a ECCI (+1000 euros) and I was just trying to help him find something in beetwin (the price range) with high quality... never meant to bring him down... and as I said before Im not familiar with that particular gear just the brand...
 
I hear you.....it's just that your post looked ripe for a good needling....so I picked it. It's a habit. :)

Scotty
 
Yeah it sucks the PS3 cannot do 1080p and 7.1ch surround sound with games... kinda a big oversight for Sony. Probably so they could cut costs.
 
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Well I had another go at this on Monday night and discovered what the issue was. For the life of me I couldnt quite understand how it sounded so odd. The simple reason was that I had to recalibrate the volumes between the EQ and the secondary amplifer.

The volumes from whatever setting I had prior to adding the EQ were far too low. Had been messing around as was a friend with settings and it seems this was a simple fix. The output needed increased from the EQ as when it was engaged it was about -10DB to when being bypassed.

Gained good results on the last trial by having a tweak but nothing over aggressive, just creating a different, more punchy or lively sound when compared to bypassing the EQ using the untouched source stereo audio. Thats what I want just the ability to alter the audio not completely change it or worsen it. Yes indeed it is possible to make a hash of it too.

By no means do I make some claim that this cockpit is using the ultimate quality equipment or that it will reach the highest standards ever for a cockpit. It will however offer a very immersive level of surround audio and tactile at a decent level of quality. I have tried to select components that were well reviewed and had good results with the Behringer at home on the home AV system. Thats why 6 were eventually purchased. (one thing leads to another)

Regards using high end DJ equipment or much more expensive EQs their is no need for such on a cockpit and certainly not with the speakers Im using. Besides Im not moving to different locations and dont need the ability to get the best sound out of different enviroments or room acoustics which Id assume are things proper high end DJ EQs allow for.

The Behringer is well enough respected by the community for what it does and more than capable for the basic purpose Im using it for. I have bought and used Sony & Technics Hifi EQ a long time ago for this project but found the extra control in having 31 bands of EQ including more options made the Behringer 3102 a very good or indeed better option. Also the Sony/Technics EQ's were costing the same kind of money approx £60-£90 via ebay.

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I appreciate being pulled up on choices and people having their own opinon on the selections or decisions being made. However this is very much an experimental project so not all decisions made will be good ones and perhaps changes will need to be made or considered along the way. Do indeed speak up and express your own thoughts when you want and I actually enjoy being challenged from a different viewpopint to that of my own.

What I wil do however is be honest when I come across a problem or something that Im not happy with. I have no problems getting things wrong or making poor decisions and then learning from those decisions. Already this project has had many items purchased with the idea of being used but then dropped or changed because of something. No doubt their will be more changes and ideas which may seem good at one time replaced by others.

No doubts their will be lots more head sctratching moments to overcome before this is sorted.


Thanks also for the humour Scotty...
 
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Are there pictures of the whole finished project?
I'm amazed...how much did it all cost so far?
 
Caz
Only in his head ;)
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Yeah and even that is likely to change Caz!

Even though it still has some way to go regards doing the metal frame, monitor and wheel supports. Then also including finishing and lighting.
I want to be able to enjoy FM4 with the triple screens with also audio/tactile up and working for its release.

I still have been very busy at work with long hours so havnt had much free time lately to get the base platform completed.
 
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599GT
Are there pictures of the whole finished project?
I'm amazed...how much did it all cost so far?
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I dont have a deadline for completion and it is mainly held back by needing money to complete it. Their could easily be another £600 required in materials etc to finish it.

Havnt kept track of total costs as the cost isnt important to me. It's a hobby so available funds or as I call (fun money) is put towards it each month and has been for the last 2+ years. Personally I dont see this being completed till early next year.

I have other family/personal expenses and with Christmas looming etc.
The cookie jar is getting low.
 
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As shown elsewhere.

Audio testing has been in flow, nothing exciting but its coming along. The 2nd distrubution box was purchased and arrived. Only have 1 more Aura Pro to order to complete the purchasing of the 14 tactile units.

Looking to get the subs and base platform all connected together soon to enjoy FM4. Even if its not finished I should be able to enjoy the audio and tactile. Just havnt had much free time as working lots at the moment.

"Dolby PrologicIIx - Music" seems to be the best DSP setting as it gives good 7 channel sound but also uses the LFE channel really well.
Its amazing the difference adding the tactile makes and having dual L/R with the LFE tactile. This will of course be further improved with actual subwoofers too as the "audio sound" is still lacking mid to low end.

Music feels so flat and lifeless without the tactile now.

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Keep getting asked so to answer a question. Not taking into account the cockpit build but if all the hardware was purchased new (which in my case it hasnt and I have saved quite an amount doing so) to replicate with similar quality what I will have incorporated (when finished) regards all audio/tactile. The equipment cables including bits n bobs with decent amplification would be an estimated £4500/$6750.

Ive probably spent just over 1/2 that in the 3 years experimenting with this fascination. For those that think that is insane, I wont argue however I wont ask what they spend on cigs or booze over a 3 year period neither. :)
 
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New Hardware / Visuals

The cockpit may not be going far in building but the hardware is collecting rightly.
Having triple screens is nice but most of my playing is likely to be on consoles, so that limits me to 1x 24" screen on 95% of games. Thats what sucks with triple monitor setups on consoles. You get a great experience for those (err few games that support it) and only a small screen experience for the rest.

However this being "Project R" thats just not going to be good enough :)

I mentioned in this thread a few times and on the forums of a new 3D affordable projector due to be released.
Optoma announced their newest "Game Time" projector based on their popular GT720 model waay back in June at E3, their latest model being the GT750. This has increased specs with a really high Lumens making it ideal for living rooms and not just "bat caves". Not much has been released about it since.

Ive really been tempted and took the plunge today ordering one of the first available units in the UK. With seeing so many great looking FM4 images. Besides I recently sold my Panasonic 720P AX 100 projector awaiting this one.

Being a short throw projector it is ideal for "Move/Kinect" as the projector can be in front of the player not behind casting shadows. An example, is obtaining a 100" screen from only a 5FT or approx 60" distance so perfect for small living rooms.

DLP technology is very good for not being effected as bad with the dredded "3d Crosstalk". Something Sonys very own LCD/LED HDTVs suffer from quite badly. Plasma from Panasonic/Samsung havnt faired so bad with 3D it seems. So I will be testing GT5 on this with a 100"+ 3D screen to see how that experience compares to the triple displays.

What makes this projector also appealing is that it will handle HDMI 1.4 3D with no adapters or converters. Lastly it also supports Nvidia 3D vision or can be operated in 2D for super smooth 120FPS gaming.

How much, well I got the Projector and DLP Glasses/Reciever for £610 delivered. Thats amazing value and even better considering my old projector sold for £250. :)
 
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Mr Latte
New Hardware / Visuals

The cockpit may not be going far in building but the hardware is collecting rightly.
Having triple screens is nice but most of my playing is likely to be on consoles, so that limits me to 1x 24" screen on 95% of . Thats what sucks with triple monitor setups on consoles. You get a great experience for those (err few games that support it) and only a small screen experience for the rest.

However this being "Project R" thats just not going to be good enough :)

I mentioned in this thread a few times and on the forums of a new 3D affordable projector due to be released.
Optoma announced their newest "Game Time" projector based on their popular GT720 model waay back in June at E3, their latest model being the GT750. This has increased specs with a really high Lumens making it ideal for living rooms and not just "bat caves". Not much has been released about it since.

Ive really been tempted and took the plunge today ordering one of the first available units in the UK. With seeing so many great looking FM4 images. Besides I recently sold my Panasonic 720P AX 100 projector awaiting this one.

Being a short throw projector it is ideal for "Move/" as the projector can be in front of the player not behind casting shadows. An example, is obtaining a 100" screen from only a 5FT or approx 60" distance so perfect for small living rooms.

DLP technology is very good for not being effected as bad with the dredded "3d Crosstalk". Something Sonys very own LCD/LED HDTVs suffer from quite badly. Plasma from Panasonic/Samsung havnt faired so bad with 3D it seems. So I will be testing GT5 on this with a 100"+ 3D screen to see how that experience compares to the triple displays.

What makes this projector also appealing is that it will handle HDMI 1.4 3D with no adapters or converters. Lastly it also supports Nvidia 3D vision or can be operated in 2D for super smooth 120FPS gaming.

How much, well I got the Projector and DLP Glasses/Reciever for £610 delivered. Thats amazing value and even better considering my old projector sold for £250. :)
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How big a piece of wall will be needed??? I have a wall that can hold a 50" TV would that be big enough?
 
I suspect as always you'll let us know how the projector is when it arrives Mr Latte.

I'll look forward to that, I'm tempted to do something similar myself.

I can relate to the triple screen Issues. I have a PC connected to my screens as well as the PS3, and Xbox as so running eyefinity on the PC I get slightly more titles in triple screen mode.
 
Whay was the name of your old projector and could you reccomend a cheap HD projector :) thanks
 
It should be pretty good Looney, look on youtube for videos/reviews of the previous model the GT720.

amf7, I doubt that model would be that great. Good PJs cost more but I'd recommend buying quality brands.
 
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