Project R
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The design I had in mind was similar to the Battle Gear 4 one shown. Personally I really liked it particulary seeing it in person.
2" chrome tubing is a no,no you cant get fittings for it like I can the 1.25" so would need to be specially made or have the metal bended. It would look superb though a bit like the VR3 I agree.
My plans are for two canted uprights at the ends of the triple monitors to go in towards and above the seat. Same as the Battle Gear idea but wider for 3 screens. My monitors in the middle will be overlapped so its only approx 1cm border between the screens. The design is more complicated as I also want the ability to move the monitors back/forward approx 24" range. This is to enable covering them with a projection screen about 60" - 65" when pushed as far back as possible yet be able to also have them up close in triple screen mode.
I have several ideas drawn out and like always when its going up I tend to get more creative or ideas along the way but appreciate ideas some of you can put forward or show other cockpits that did similar.
As for lighting it will play a part to really set it off at times.
2" chrome tubing is a no,no you cant get fittings for it like I can the 1.25" so would need to be specially made or have the metal bended. It would look superb though a bit like the VR3 I agree.
My plans are for two canted uprights at the ends of the triple monitors to go in towards and above the seat. Same as the Battle Gear idea but wider for 3 screens. My monitors in the middle will be overlapped so its only approx 1cm border between the screens. The design is more complicated as I also want the ability to move the monitors back/forward approx 24" range. This is to enable covering them with a projection screen about 60" - 65" when pushed as far back as possible yet be able to also have them up close in triple screen mode.
I have several ideas drawn out and like always when its going up I tend to get more creative or ideas along the way but appreciate ideas some of you can put forward or show other cockpits that did similar.
As for lighting it will play a part to really set it off at times.
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Didnt get to do the work I was planning to do this weekend.
Spent about 2 hours pondering over some ideas and ordered more bits n pieces.
Bit of a U-Turn as decided to change the way the bottom layers of MDF will connect to the base. Instead of 3x horizontal runs. Im going to change this and have a single board cut now for the centre part which is under the 3 subs. It will be better with no issues of gaps and can be done with the Fatmat better. The rear section under the twin LFE subs will then be another single board like used at the front. This will also get done with the fatmat.
So more fatmat is ordered that should be enough to allow the base to be completed. Ive made a promise to myself to have the cockpit audio/tactile tested within the next 3 weeks. Going to leave getting the perspex that finishes the base to later. Worried in buying it, fitting while still working at other things and it get badly marked.
I could well be needing distrubution boxes for taking the 7 Channel PRE-OUTS from the primary 7.1 decoded signal. With using multiple speakers/subs/tactile on the same channels I need a way of turning a single channel output into multiple outputs and ensure no loss of signal or drop of quality.
Something like this and 3 will be needed so another £150 (gulp).
Also bought some new lights that I hope can be used. Really just want the brake lights working for that arcade unit feel as mentioned before. Bulbs etc will need sorted and will need a bit of help with these I reckon.
Spent about 2 hours pondering over some ideas and ordered more bits n pieces.
Bit of a U-Turn as decided to change the way the bottom layers of MDF will connect to the base. Instead of 3x horizontal runs. Im going to change this and have a single board cut now for the centre part which is under the 3 subs. It will be better with no issues of gaps and can be done with the Fatmat better. The rear section under the twin LFE subs will then be another single board like used at the front. This will also get done with the fatmat.
So more fatmat is ordered that should be enough to allow the base to be completed. Ive made a promise to myself to have the cockpit audio/tactile tested within the next 3 weeks. Going to leave getting the perspex that finishes the base to later. Worried in buying it, fitting while still working at other things and it get badly marked.
I could well be needing distrubution boxes for taking the 7 Channel PRE-OUTS from the primary 7.1 decoded signal. With using multiple speakers/subs/tactile on the same channels I need a way of turning a single channel output into multiple outputs and ensure no loss of signal or drop of quality.
Something like this and 3 will be needed so another £150 (gulp).
Also bought some new lights that I hope can be used. Really just want the brake lights working for that arcade unit feel as mentioned before. Bulbs etc will need sorted and will need a bit of help with these I reckon.
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Mr Latte
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Ordered one of those distrubution boxes:
Need to be certain it all is possible and this will allow some testing.
With the crazy setup configuration I want. I need to have multiple feeds of the same channel. So while a normal 7.1 surround setup has one set of stereo speakers/connections. I will need to create 5x sets of stereo channels that have already been decoded and outputted via PRE-OUTS of the primary decoder/amplifer used.
1x L/R for Speakers
1x L/R for Pedal Tactile
1x L/R for Base Tactile
1x L/R for Seat Tactile
1x L/R for Base Subwoofers
Having big ideas is one thing, making it all work is another
Other channels also need duplicated but the Stereo L/R is the biggest challenge.
Need to be certain it all is possible and this will allow some testing.
With the crazy setup configuration I want. I need to have multiple feeds of the same channel. So while a normal 7.1 surround setup has one set of stereo speakers/connections. I will need to create 5x sets of stereo channels that have already been decoded and outputted via PRE-OUTS of the primary decoder/amplifer used.
1x L/R for Speakers
1x L/R for Pedal Tactile
1x L/R for Base Tactile
1x L/R for Seat Tactile
1x L/R for Base Subwoofers
Having big ideas is one thing, making it all work is another
Other channels also need duplicated but the Stereo L/R is the biggest challenge.
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Just found this product that will take a TOSLink and duplicate it; this gives us more than just 2 digital outputs from the PS3:
http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/multi.php?mycode=DT12B
http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/multi.php?mycode=DT12B
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Will you be providing an on off switch with your brake lights?
Might be better than having them hardwired so to speak.
For those times when you don't want the police around accusing you of soliciting or being a man of the night.
Might be better than having them hardwired so to speak.
For those times when you don't want the police around accusing you of soliciting or being a man of the night.
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I have bought a couple of switches a long time ago so it could be suitable. Will take a photo, show it sometime later.
Nice thinking and thanks, but I believe the PS3 only supports the higher quality uncomprssed PCM audio via HDMI. I want 7.1 decoding for the speakers and know PS3 drops to 5.1 mode via multichannel ouput. So thats part the issue I cant use TOS. To start with though I may have to use BITSTREAM on the Sony 1200 ES as it has an issue I believe with PCM over HDMI. However Id like to be able to use the PCM configuration later for best possible quality. I could opt for a different AV Amp later with no such HDMI/PCM issue to use as the decoder and PRE-OUT.
Whats your thoughts guys?. Will PCM be much better than BITSTREAM for games? Particulary taking into account BASS and low end for the subwoofers and tactile?
Id like that option, will get some help/advice from some people that have done such for their own rigs. Greeze used good lighting effects on his IIRC. Where the cockpit is going nobody will be seeing anything dodgy and I can play this as loud as I can take it, which is a good thing.
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Mr LatteI have bought a couple of switches a long time ago so it could be suitable. Will take a photo, show it sometime later.
Nice thinking and thanks, but I believe the PS3 only supports the higher quality uncomprssed PCM audio via HDMI. I want 7.1 decoding for the speakers and know PS3 drops to 5.1 mode via multichannel ouput. So thats part the issue I cant use TOS. To start with though I may have to use BITSTREAM on the Sony 1200 ES as it has an issue I believe with PCM over HDMI. However Id like to be able to use the PCM configuration later for best possible quality. I could opt for a different AV Amp later with no such HDMI/PCM issue to use as the decoder and PRE-OUT.
Whats your thoughts guys?. Will PCM be much better than BITSTREAM for games? Particulary taking into account BASS and low end for the subwoofers and tactile?
Id like that option, will get some help/advice from some people that have done such for their own rigs. Greeze used good lighting effects on his IIRC. Where the cockpit is going nobody will be seeing anything dodgy and I can play this as loud as I can take it, which is a good thing.
I'm pretty sure PCM and bitstream are the same thing. With PCM the ps3 decodes the audio and with bitstream the receiver decodes the audio.
I am confused by your PCM /Bitsream statements.
I thought that PCM only does stereo, and Bitsream mulit channel?
You are right that the HDMI only offers 7.1, optical does 5.1; I did not know that.
Ahh, its LPCM that does multi-channel; as to which sounds better that will come down to which has the best processor; a £250 PS3 or a £XXX AV receiver.
Found this on another forum:
1. If you have a PS3 Slim...it does not matter. Bitstream (allow the PS3 to pass the audio to the receiver and allow the receiver to decode) or LInear PCM (allow the PS3 to decode and send the audio to the receiver)...it doesn't matter. It is the same exact audio. The only difference is which piece of equipment is decoding. Once you volume match...it is the same exact sound.
2. If you have a PS3 Fat...it does matter. Bitstream will NOT pass HD audio on to the reciever for decoding. Your only option is Linear PCM and that is perfectly fine. Once again, you get the same exact sound. Many receivers allow you to apply additional effects/processing when bitstreamin, but not always when using Linear PCM. (see my next paragraph)
I thought that PCM only does stereo, and Bitsream mulit channel?
You are right that the HDMI only offers 7.1, optical does 5.1; I did not know that.
Ahh, its LPCM that does multi-channel; as to which sounds better that will come down to which has the best processor; a £250 PS3 or a £XXX AV receiver.
Found this on another forum:
1. If you have a PS3 Slim...it does not matter. Bitstream (allow the PS3 to pass the audio to the receiver and allow the receiver to decode) or LInear PCM (allow the PS3 to decode and send the audio to the receiver)...it doesn't matter. It is the same exact audio. The only difference is which piece of equipment is decoding. Once you volume match...it is the same exact sound.
2. If you have a PS3 Fat...it does matter. Bitstream will NOT pass HD audio on to the reciever for decoding. Your only option is Linear PCM and that is perfectly fine. Once again, you get the same exact sound. Many receivers allow you to apply additional effects/processing when bitstreamin, but not always when using Linear PCM. (see my next paragraph)
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My thinking was for some games that aparently use uncompressed 7.1 audio.
So it outputs at the higher bitrate.
Not all games have this but aparently some do on PS3.
Rubber flooring arrived...
This will cover the centre section for the seat and subwoofers.
So it outputs at the higher bitrate.
Not all games have this but aparently some do on PS3.
Rubber flooring arrived...
This will cover the centre section for the seat and subwoofers.
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Mr Latte
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Some good work and great ideas being done using switches and lighting with.
This current ongoing build.
Id be willing to pay someone to help build a lighting/switch/control box to my spec for the cockpit.
If anyones interested please send me a PM.
Waiting for those car lights to arrive yet, will post a pic when they do lads.
Im shattered this week with work and was in the business to 4am the other night.
This current ongoing build.
Id be willing to pay someone to help build a lighting/switch/control box to my spec for the cockpit.
If anyones interested please send me a PM.
Waiting for those car lights to arrive yet, will post a pic when they do lads.
Im shattered this week with work and was in the business to 4am the other night.
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I've never tried a brake light indoors. They don't seem too bright outside on a real car.
Indoors I would imagine it would light up your room lol.
Anyway sounds like your building up a decent man cave.
Maybe install traffic lights on your door to admit family etc. Lol.
Indoors I would imagine it would light up your room lol.
Anyway sounds like your building up a decent man cave.
Maybe install traffic lights on your door to admit family etc. Lol.
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edgley hit it on the nose with this one 👍 I was just about to go look it up until I saw his post. I have both Slim and Fat PS3's, I have never tried Bitstream on my slim to my receiver I have always utilized Linear PCM. As most of you know I have an Onkyo 805 with a excellent processor but have never utiliized it because of the PS3. I may have to experiment with Bitstream/Linear PCM and see if there is any difference particularly in the Tactile arena.
Latte, I had to redo all my settings over again due to an electrical storm a few weeks back. I had reset my Onkyo because I originally thought I had an HDMI issue due to the storm. Ultimately it was the TV as it was showing just green and purple in color, I guess the yellow gun had glitched? I unplugged the TV and plugged it back in and the colors came back in. Unfortunately all my settings on the receiver where gone and had to be redone. I had also blown a fuse in my subwoofer due to the storm and replaced it. This week I used the Audissey mic for the built in EQ on the Onkyo to dial everything back in. Wow I wish the storm would have happened sooner, The BK and the two clarkes are working in harmony together. I ran some remote races in GT5 so I could redial them back in and make some credits for everyone at the same time! As far as Battlefield they are far more responsive than before in fact I had to turn down the master volume in the game to better control them. I will test bitstream and see if it is better or worse and let you know. Looks like Project R is coming along:tup:
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Hi guys, so Friday again eh... Going to chill out after a long week. Hit the cinema to see Final Destination 5 tonight. Were did August goto, cant believe it is almost September.
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PS3 with the BD-ROM has some games that utilise LOSSLESS audio. I think RESISTANCE 1 on PS3 was one of the first games to utilise it having over 20GB of data for the audio on the BD-ROM. PS3 is the only platform to offer it. I believe it is similar to outputting a movie in HD audio rather than traditional DTS/DOLBY having a bit rate that is much higher. Their will be lists around the net showing which games perhaps utilise the higher quality samples and output mode. However even though a LOSSLESS 7.1 soundtrack may be encoded it may not always produce 7.1.
Many of us apply a secondary DSP setting to our audio to expand this to the full seven speakers. All this might not be a big factor for many or a noticable difference, to those with the appropriate AV equipment it could be a bonus though.
JS, keep me posted on your messing around comparing etc.
Im not sure if it will be much benefit on the speakers Im using on this cockpit, however with tactile and subs it will be interesting to know if you find any differences?
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Lights Arrived !!!
Good news is that these include the bulbs and cabling. Many lights taken from cars/dismantles sold on ebay do not come with the bulb holders and bulbs.
Will I need to get an adapter to plug into these lights? Or simply just cut the plug off and figure out what way each light needs wired to run from a mains powered 12V adapter. Some feedback on what you guys reckon or ideas?
I dont care what anyone says in how stupid having lights may be, (lol) Yes it is a bit silly but I think these will look superb with the chrome frame and black base even when not on. Having the brake lights help light up the room might just add a sense of extra drama/atmosphere. Lets see how it goes. It will be easy to mount them and they will feature in below a curved rear wing/flooring part at either side of the dual subwoofer box.
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PS3 with the BD-ROM has some games that utilise LOSSLESS audio. I think RESISTANCE 1 on PS3 was one of the first games to utilise it having over 20GB of data for the audio on the BD-ROM. PS3 is the only platform to offer it. I believe it is similar to outputting a movie in HD audio rather than traditional DTS/DOLBY having a bit rate that is much higher. Their will be lists around the net showing which games perhaps utilise the higher quality samples and output mode. However even though a LOSSLESS 7.1 soundtrack may be encoded it may not always produce 7.1.
Many of us apply a secondary DSP setting to our audio to expand this to the full seven speakers. All this might not be a big factor for many or a noticable difference, to those with the appropriate AV equipment it could be a bonus though.
JS, keep me posted on your messing around comparing etc.
Im not sure if it will be much benefit on the speakers Im using on this cockpit, however with tactile and subs it will be interesting to know if you find any differences?
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Lights Arrived !!!
Good news is that these include the bulbs and cabling. Many lights taken from cars/dismantles sold on ebay do not come with the bulb holders and bulbs.
Will I need to get an adapter to plug into these lights? Or simply just cut the plug off and figure out what way each light needs wired to run from a mains powered 12V adapter. Some feedback on what you guys reckon or ideas?
I dont care what anyone says in how stupid having lights may be, (lol) Yes it is a bit silly but I think these will look superb with the chrome frame and black base even when not on. Having the brake lights help light up the room might just add a sense of extra drama/atmosphere. Lets see how it goes. It will be easy to mount them and they will feature in below a curved rear wing/flooring part at either side of the dual subwoofer box.
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Mr Latte
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Hi, they are standard 32mm round tube shop fittings.
Prices vary on the net so worth shopping around but most shop fitting/suppliers will stock them in 25mm and 32mm sizes.
Prices can vary from £3.00 - £10 each for some of the fittings.
The 32mm tubing comes in 3 metre lengths. It will cost between £8-£10 per length.
* Prices Before VAT
(Whats shown above was only testing / it wont be the final build)
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Ordered one of these.
This one lights up. With some help I plan to use this to power on/off some devices.
I plan to replace the centre button on this panel (bought last year) with this nicer looking "Engine Start"
The missle switches can be used to turn on/off cockpit lighting.
This one lights up. With some help I plan to use this to power on/off some devices.
I plan to replace the centre button on this panel (bought last year) with this nicer looking "Engine Start"
The missle switches can be used to turn on/off cockpit lighting.
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I think you need a G force equip!
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I have t500 pedals inverted. Was hoping a real brake mod was for coming for those. Also have G25 and Clubsport pedals I could use/modify but like the look of CSR ELITE pedals.
The cockpit will incorporate the exchange of different wheels and pedals for future proofing and minimal fuss/hassle.
The cockpit will incorporate the exchange of different wheels and pedals for future proofing and minimal fuss/hassle.
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While I still have the base laying upside down ready for doing the speaker cables and power cables. Which of course need installed before putting on the new single piece underneath 20mm MDF board.
I was messing around with some chrome cuttings and getting an idea how part of the cockpit frame layout will go.
Its only a sneak peek, not final by any means and might be hard to get an idea whats going on. Anyways, the side tubing section will be double barrell as mentioned before not single tubing as shown here. It will connect also to the floor section for which in turn connects to the seat sections and pedal sections. I didnt want just two sets of side tubing with a seat in the middle and a shelf for a wheel. Instead wanting a bit of flair in the shape, styling and something different to other cockpits I've seen.
The upper front mount for the wheel and monitor supports isnt shown here which will incorporate a different angle extending from the front of the Subaru wing to represent a bonnet type shape. In that their will be the "Escourt Cossie" air ducts shown at the beginning of the thread for more car styling. The monitor and front sections will be challenging to do. However I'm going to enjoy this part of the build when it comes to it. When you start building it up you can be creative and try other ideas you necessarily wouldnt of thought of before.
I was messing around with some chrome cuttings and getting an idea how part of the cockpit frame layout will go.
Its only a sneak peek, not final by any means and might be hard to get an idea whats going on. Anyways, the side tubing section will be double barrell as mentioned before not single tubing as shown here. It will connect also to the floor section for which in turn connects to the seat sections and pedal sections. I didnt want just two sets of side tubing with a seat in the middle and a shelf for a wheel. Instead wanting a bit of flair in the shape, styling and something different to other cockpits I've seen.
The upper front mount for the wheel and monitor supports isnt shown here which will incorporate a different angle extending from the front of the Subaru wing to represent a bonnet type shape. In that their will be the "Escourt Cossie" air ducts shown at the beginning of the thread for more car styling. The monitor and front sections will be challenging to do. However I'm going to enjoy this part of the build when it comes to it. When you start building it up you can be creative and try other ideas you necessarily wouldnt of thought of before.
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Are you going to be using those buttons for your actual cockpit or in GT5?
Like hooking it up to an old controller, etc.
Like hooking it up to an old controller, etc.
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Originally I had planned to have some form of buttons or D-Pad for PS3/X360 usage incorporated.
Now I believe I will just use switches for some lights and powering on some things like the monitors.
My thoughts at the moment are to do my own templates and designs for "iwavit" by Think Optics using the ipad to control them.
In theory their is no problem having the ipad function for PS3/X360 and PC control in menus etc. I would like to have game specific screens with nice artwork done for each game as that would look really nice too. It is also possible to have multiple devices controlled from one screen. So if I wanted to be able to control room lighting, displays, amplifers etc the remote command for those can be learned and programmed if desired.
Ipad will feature heavily for entertainment too with plans to possibly upgrade to ipad3 next year and use the wireless features to have the screen output on one of the monitors and use a blutooth keyboard when wanted. Tablets are becoming really cool devices and as this is also a cockpit for general entertainment it could be really useful.
Now I believe I will just use switches for some lights and powering on some things like the monitors.
My thoughts at the moment are to do my own templates and designs for "iwavit" by Think Optics using the ipad to control them.
In theory their is no problem having the ipad function for PS3/X360 and PC control in menus etc. I would like to have game specific screens with nice artwork done for each game as that would look really nice too. It is also possible to have multiple devices controlled from one screen. So if I wanted to be able to control room lighting, displays, amplifers etc the remote command for those can be learned and programmed if desired.
Ipad will feature heavily for entertainment too with plans to possibly upgrade to ipad3 next year and use the wireless features to have the screen output on one of the monitors and use a blutooth keyboard when wanted. Tablets are becoming really cool devices and as this is also a cockpit for general entertainment it could be really useful.
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