Project R

  • Thread starter Mr Latte
  • 929 comments
  • 153,624 views
Status
Not open for further replies.
I like the joystick idea, but I would say leave a space where the handbrake should be (CS Handbrake not too far off), and mount the joystick somewhere easy to reach, but not in the way of any possible future peripherals.


Bummer about the amp... Hopefully you can get it replaced?



;)
 
I like the joystick idea, but I would say leave a space where the handbrake should be (CS Handbrake not too far off), and mount the joystick somewhere easy to reach, but not in the way of any possible future peripherals.


Bummer about the amp... Hopefully you can get it replaced?



;)

Well it will either be built into the dash but prefer in my mind to place it on the right hand side of the seat. Means just simple reach, hey presto. Being UK if/when Fanatec do a decent shifter and possible handbrake those will go on the left hand side of the seat.
 
Last edited:
Well it will either be built into the dash but prefer in my mind to place it on the right hand side of the seat. Means just simple reach, hey presto. Being UK if/when Fanatec do a decent shifter and possible handbrake those will go on the left hand side of the seat.

Sounds perfect. Can't wait to see it.



;)
 
Update: Joystick Benifits

Ive had this idea of using a joystick for multi purpose benifits for sometime but thought Id share my ideas with you guys now rather than later.

Had a quick go with this when I got home.
Firstly no problems using this joystick in menus with it acting along with the PWTS as controller input 1. Also unlike the Fanatec wheels this particular joystick has a "PS" button which is handy.

So anyways loaded up GT5 went into pad settings and had a wee swap around.
Im mostly a paddle shifter person. However I sometimes enjoy using simple sequential.

What I done was to basically have the joystick act as:
1) A sequential shifter with d-pad up/down.
2) Look left/right with d-pad left/right


The benifit of this is that its quite easy to drive with one hand on the wheel and change gears. Now if you fancy a quick look with the gearstick already in your hand for changing gears its very simple and comfier to move the joystick left/right with the joystick D-Pad. đź‘Ť
Just try changing gear and look left right using a normal wheel, you cant really do it as easy or instantly. Of course the player can still race with using the wheels paddles or indeed shifter. Having this joystick option is just an extra tool some of you may benifit from or enjoy.

Yes if headtracking is as good as we imagine this might not be that great then but its still going to be good if not using incar view (HT only to work with that) and Id assume if like me maybe you want to view or analysing replays and looking left/right etc.

Have to say this works a treat, very easy to change down gear and quickly glance left/right in one hand, great perhaps for braking into corners or keepin an eye on a rival. For you DF-GT owners this could also be a handy option for using the joystick as a sequential gear change just beside your seat rather than one on the wheel. Furthermore this does not interfere with the D-Pad on the wheel.


Hope its a useful tip some of you can enjoy!

(Photos to be added)
.
.
.
.
.
 
Last edited:
I did a "similar" thing to your joystick idea, instead I dismantled a DS3 contoller and hardwired buttons to it, I originaly had it mounted to a G25 providing extra buttons, I now have it working a home made sequential shifter because I hate the feel of the G25 shifter, I even managed to fit a small thumb button to the shifter, I use it to switch on and off the ghost or sometimes rear view when online.

The cool thing with GT5P is that you can assign the DS3 as controller 1 and have as many buttons as a DS3 has, positioned anywhere you like and also have the buttons on the G25, just hope they keep this way of working for GT5.
 
I did a "similar" thing to your joystick idea, instead I dismantled a DS3 contoller and hardwired buttons to it, I originaly had it mounted to a G25 providing extra buttons, I now have it working a home made sequential shifter because I hate the feel of the G25 shifter, I even managed to fit a small thumb button to the shifter, I use it to switch on and off the ghost or sometimes rear view when online.

The cool thing with GT5P is that you can assign the DS3 as controller 1 and have as many buttons as a DS3 has, positioned anywhere you like and also have the buttons on the G25, just hope they keep this way of working for GT5.

Yes indeed I remember a longtime ago the G25 with DS3 attached with blutac/sticky putty. I then used the analogue sticks for more accurate or full analogue looking right/left. It was handy on the wheel. Nice to hear you doing a bit of modding too mate.
 
Last edited:
Not on the same scale as you I'm afraid !

Mine are strictly functional (thats my excuse !) They aren't pretty, but they work well. Trouble is I design as I build, so by the time I have perfected the design I can't be bothered making a better looking version.

Must say, I am a little worried by the fact that you can't use sequential shifter with the G27 in Prologue, I was going to go the DFGT route when my G25 packs in, and us it with the G25 pedals, but since the G27 seems to be dropping in price (ÂŁ229.00 at the minute) I was considering one instead.

Guess I'll have to wait till GT5 appears to make a decision on that one.

Quite fancy the idea of the 3 monitor thing, but I assume it won't work online, but again, I guess no one knows for sure.
 
Update: Joystick Benifits

Ive had this idea of using a joystick for multi purpose benifits for sometime but thought Id share my ideas with you guys now rather than later.

Had a quick go with this when I got home.
Firstly no problems using this joystick in menus with it acting along with the PWTS as controller input 1. Also unlike the Fanatec wheels this particular joystick has a "PS" button which is handy.

So anyways loaded up GT5 went into pad settings and had a wee swap around.
Im mostly a paddle shifter person. However I sometimes enjoy using simple sequential.

What I done was to basically have the joystick act as:
1) A sequential shifter with d-pad up/down.
2) Look left/right with d-pad left/right


The benifit of this is that its quite easy to drive with one hand on the wheel and change gears. Now if you fancy a quick look with the gearstick already in your hand for changing gears its very simple and comfier to move the joystick left/right with the joystick D-Pad. đź‘Ť
Just try changing gear and look left right using a normal wheel, you cant really do it as easy or instantly. Of course the player can still prace with using the wheels paddles or indeed shifter. Having this joystick option is just an extra tool some of you may benifit from or enjoy.

Yes if headtracking is as good as we imagine this might not be that great then but its still going to be good if not using incar view (HT only to work with that) and Id assume if like me maybe you want to view or analysing replays and looking left/right etc.

Have to say this works a treat, very easy to change down gear and quickly glance left/right in one hand, great perhaps for braking into corners or keepin an eye on a rival. For you DF-GT owners this could also be a handy option for using the joystick as a sequential gear change just beside your seat rather than one on the wheel. Furthermore this does not interfere with the D-Pad on the wheel.


Hope its a useful tip some of you can enjoy!

(Photos to be added)
.
.
.
.
.

What model Joystick are you using, AV8R or T-flight? Or is there another stick out there with a PS button?

Edit: Nevermind, I read your earlier post where you mentioned it was a fighting stick, though now I'm wondering if one of the flight sticks would still be useful in such an application.
 
Last edited:
What model Joystick are you using, AV8R or T-flight? Or is there another stick out there with a PS button?

Edit: Nevermind, I read your earlier post where you mentioned it was a fighting stick, though now I'm wondering if one of the flight sticks would still be useful in such an application.

Their is nothing stopping someone doing this and modding a joystick. Improvements could be made like adding a proper gearshift handle and building or postioning the buttons into a new layout if desired. Like Ive said before it would be nice to see more peoples cockpits on GTP feature more of their own initative or creativity than just copy previous or popular designs.
During this thread Id like to put forward or discuss other peoples ideas in seeing as a community what we can come up with, besides its fun too. Im certainly looking to take this aspect further but hope it lets some of you get creative as well.

Could be that other joysticks out their are better in feel, this feels a bit loose, maybe all fighting sticks do, as Im not sure? This model "BlazePS3ARCADE" does have clicky micro switching however so it sounds a bit like the Fanatec sequential shifter or indeed the one on the DF-GT but that doesnt bother me.

Oh and this idea came to me while I was doing previous testing, looking at using a DFGT wheel, sawing the rim and base off it and just use just the centre of the wheel for its controls. The DFGT however will not respond in GT5P when a PWTS (maybe other wheels too) is already connected. Probably as the game registers both devices as wheels yet is fine with 1x wheel /1x controller combination. Flight sticks could possibly be a good direction to look at as well.
 
Last edited:
I did alot of searching trying to find an actual sequential shifter, like the ones in GT cars, couldn't find a thing, so I had to make my own, I'm quite pleased with the way it turned out although if I found a real one I'd swap it in a heartbeat, anyone any ideas where such a unit could be found?

From what I've seen the are quite simple devices, although I'm not sure if the "feel" you would get would be the same if it wasn't connected to an actual gearbox, and I haven't got room for one of those !

Was also considering making some sort of rally tybe paddle shifter, you know the "push-pull" paddles which just require the slightest touch to shift, again it's quite hard to get ideas on how these things are designed in real life.
 
03.jpg
Arcade style and layout joystick and button.
Compatible with PS2, PS3, and PC USB.
Support button re-mapping and Macro functions.
Turbo function with different speed settings
Metal base with plastic outershell and smooth corners being protective to players' wrists.


This a fighting stick called a Mayflash, it's cheap and could well be an easy mod for a gearshift.
I really have no idea though. :sly:
 
View attachment 72859


This a fighting stick called a Mayflash, it's cheap and could well be an easy mod for a gearshift.
I really have no idea though. :sly:

Important
Dont forget the "PS" button this allows the controller to be set as "Input 1" when also using a wheel. You need to be able to do this to get the joystick to work within GT5 races. If not the joystick will only function in game menus. "PS" button is needed and many joysticks aint got one.
 
Last edited:
Sample pictures of some audio testing being done at home with GT5P for the seating.
This wont be the final positioning of the Buttkicker but is a good relation to the position of how both the 12" subs will be situated behind the seat.
Testing only incorporated one subwoofer at this time and without it in the appropiate housing which would increase the bass. Ive left some comments at the bottom but cant give a fill indicator of just how good the performance will be when both 12" are included and in thier bass box unit built onto the cockpit base.

The wheel and pedals are on the Fanatec wheelstand.
Seat itself is just on a temporary box and bit of wood. (yeah real high tech solution, lol)

XPlod subwoofers were chosen as these got decent reviews/look great are not badly priced and of course the Sony branding will fit in nicely with PS3 and GT theme.

Determining the differences in game from using:

1) Only Subwoofer audio bass
2) Only Buttkicer transducer bass
3) Combined


xbyfzt.jpg



sxds7q.jpg


w2ety1.jpg


2cdv3p5.jpg


30wmlxj.jpg


2nujg9w.jpg


uslg9.jpg


A combined solution has improvements over either optiion on its own.
Mainly a Buttkicker has a really low end kick and rumble, it can produce a deeper, harder effect than a subwoofer, more intense. The disadvantage of this is that well some sounds dont trigger the Buttkicker properely.
Of course with the subwoofer its the opposite. The subwoofer doesnt reach as low or as deep but still produces a pleasing amount of feedback. The advantage of the subwoofer is that some of the more low-mid range in bass frequencies do produce viibration feedback the Buttkicker has very little effect with.

Therefore with both combined you get the harder hitting effects and the wider range of frequencies and more detail a subwoofer provides. Although early testing this has been very promising.
Any of you sim frame guys considering adding subwoofers or Buttkickers dont be afraid to ask questions.
 
Last edited:
Alright have added some images of the Blaze Joystick...

This is currently available on a popular auction site for ÂŁ20 BARGIN!
Buttons feel quite good and for the price this cant really be faulted.
I liked the Sony colour coding on this particular model for the buttons.

Example of possible positioning at the bottom. I can see me doing some form of mod for this to implement it into the cockpit.
I may consider rotating this 90 degrees to sit alongside the seat and have it resting on a support.


24y3gqs.jpg


o0e05k.jpg


15mk1vs.jpg


2l9ir7.jpg


ae2v6f.jpg
 
Last edited:
(Why the hell didn't I think of using this instead of building a crappy one from wood and aluminium !!!!!!!!!!)
 
Last edited:
FANATEC WHEEL CLAMP

This arrived after a long, long, long, long time, well about 5 months in total...
I suggest to anyone interested to order while stocks are available.

Okay so why the heck buy a wheel clamp used for a desk in a d.i.y cockpit?
The answer is simple:

A) Sturdy
B) Change wheel angle
C) Change wheel height
D) Remove or attach in seconds
E) Possibility to allow simple changing of G25-PWTS
F) Can be fully removed allowing cockpit to function for general PC workstation usage...

Trying to implement a design into an actual cockpit to allow all of the above without this "table clamp" would require a lot more work, make the cockpit more complicated than it needs to be.
This is just another idea I had come up with to take a different route than some other sim frames but find a simple answer in an already available purchase.

How Is it?
Even though Ive not properly mounted it yet its simplicistic, heavy and easily attached.
The level of paintwork finish on mine isnt that great, some areas of paint/finish could be better. Also noticed that the plate the wheel attaches too on this one I have received is not completely centred/square, off a slight amount but likely wont be noticed.


* I intend to add the G25 to this plate as well. Please note this does NOT come with the holes predrilled for G25/G27. Also the Logitechs screw clamps will NOT attach to the plate of this as shown below. The only way to mount a Logitech G25/27 to this would be to drill mounting holes for it. I can update you guys later if any further problems become aparent.
DR had asked earlier for lots of photos, you got it....


x4kfva.jpg

The Fanatec gear mount


11ijx4k.jpg

Simply tightens on


1pj8r7.jpg

Just like this


108haw8.jpg

Feels secure and wont budge



rsvlt4.jpg

The locking bolt/knob for attaching


ei3zoh.jpg

You can lock this in place in a matter of seconds


dwcndw.jpg

This would fit to very thick desks if required


vrvs5w.jpg

Plent of scope for various depths in mounting are possible


dylhug.jpg

Rubber stopper helps it secure and reduce rattling or vibrations from wheels FFB


8w06ro.jpg

Same knob as the wheel stand uses


10mr88l.jpg

Maximium fully extended distance for attaching to a very thick desk or mount


5ue236.jpg

This is the distance between wheel atachment and tightening bolt.


2qlbj0n.jpg

4x Predrilled holes for Fanatec wheels
Notice there are no predrilled holes for Logitech


174guf.jpg

Close Up of holes


2eq565h.jpg

Wheel mounting plate simply allows wheel to pivot for various wheel angle


vrt0yw.jpg

Its simple to set to the angle and then tighten the nut & bolt


35l7s7c.jpg

Quick, easy and locks dead tight


a0w7x5.jpg

The mounting plate just fits perfectly in between the G25/G27 fastening clamps.


rtdrfd.jpg

Notice the RED LINE is the mounting plate



2woad21.jpg

Close up look. Only way to mount is to drill new holes as clamps cant attach


ofrite.jpg

The RED LINE is the mounting plate
The GREEN LINE is the G25
 
Last edited:
Okay last of the updates for a while...
Plenty their for any queries and a few posts on questions or comments.

Here is some teaser photos from testing done last week of the "Monitor & PS3 Supports"
As mentioned before these will be stylish chrome, cables will be hidden as best possible and the PS3 will be vertical on the purchased stand behind the monitor.

This was only done to see how the PS3 stand would fit onto the chrome fittings.


mx0pdj.jpg

Just a glimpse for now...
Side view. Monitor will attach to the left upright, facing left. PS3 on vertical stand facing right.


21ou5q0.jpg

This is only part of the metal components.
Dual 32mm chrome metal bars will support this section and be approx 4 FT high.
Cables will be placed inside the 32mm tubing where possible.


27zm2iv.jpg

The ironboard wont be part of the final build :)


2e0v4oh.jpg

Front view


ouw309.jpg

The PS3 Stand lights up white at the bottom, looks nice, particulary in the dark!
Ive purchased 3x of these. 1 for each PS3 behind each monitor.
 
Last edited:
Thanks for the photos. đź‘Ť

The Table Clamp looks the business.

The finish on your shifter adapter does look quite different to mine. Mine looks flawless. I'd suggest sending it back for a replacement, but you and I both know how long that could potentially take. I'm still waiting on my second Shifter Adapter order (ordered a few months back). Fortunately, it will be easy to paint.

The adapter really makes for a solid mounting point.



;)
 
Fortunately, it will be easy to paint.

The adapter really makes for a solid mounting point.
;)

No problems doing the photos, you helped me before just returning the favour.

I had looked at your own cockpit and a few others that used a slanted table mount for wheels. Noticed Chillicokes doesnt seem to have that and well tbh I can live without it too but I like the idea of having the option.

It became aparent to me that rather than build a cockpit that allowed an adjustable angle and height positioning of the wheel. "Timppaq's" is an example of how that can become a lot of work in materials and design of the cockpit. The "Fanatec Table Clamp" would allow the same things to be achieved.
Height can be changed within the 3" or 8cm its clamp allows (photo above) and the angle altered to a desired taste. Additionally what better solution to quickly remove a wheel from a cockpit and swap it over. This means no trying to undo its bolts if hardmounted to an actual cockpit. That was a major bonus factor for me.

I may even decide to consider purchasing a 2nd one of these "Wheel Clamps" modified with the G25 mounting holes. This would then allow instant swapping with no hassle at all in having to undo the hardmounts for each wheel. What you reckon? It was hard to really determine how good this would be from seeing the photos/videos used in a cockpit but now that Ive got to see it in my own hands this is definately looking to be a good solution.


* Arranging to send the faulty amp back

* Claim made for non delivery of previous purchased Passat Lights

* Purchased a Momo Wheel last night for ÂŁ50 - I think its the same as Chillicokes "MOMO RACE" for G25

* 2x PASSAT rear lights ordered from new suppliers

* Alternative Amplifier ordered for Buttkickers

* Wood to be purchased this week for base
 
Last edited:
The use of the wheel clamp is well founded as there is one available for the Fanatec wheel đź‘Ť I assume that it's 110% rigid, because if it's not it can ruin the experience for those who prefer the wheel to be practically welded to the table.

Nice to see the project going forwards đź‘Ť :cheers:

edit,

ah, of course it can be modded for G25.. in that case it could be an alternative, but not in my case as it doesnt have the range of vertical adjustment that I will need in my rig. But I surely wait eagerly for the comments how it is.. đź‘Ť
 
Theirs no movement in the wheel clamp thats for sure
Its got a massive big hinge to support it and weld solid.

In many ways though as like any project goes into phyisical construction Im sure I will come across new ideas or indeed some things will need changed. Having the 3" of wheel height should be enough to get a comfortable setting between the different wheels. Fanatec do sit quite a bit higher than Logitech and Ive not forgotten to take into account the full size wheel rim for the modded G25.

The seat also allows about 3" of height adjustment with its own brackets so I shouldnt have an issue but then again Im building this to suit me and not a range of people. Indeed your requirements may differ friend. Looking at the clamp this morning I think it might even be possible to mount the "wheel" mini Buttkicker onto the bottom/underside where the tightening handle is. Being metal it will really let the effect travel around the wheel and be felt in the wheel rim, ahhh nice but thats all for later...

Going now today as off to order the wood for the base, this could cost quite a bit as wanting it precut close to what I need. Also with the base being more than 4ft wide, actually 5ft I cant get away with singular big sheets, damn... This then means going with 2x 24" and 1x12" wide sheets to cover the 60" wide I need. That will then require extra internal support in 2"x4" timber to be needed. Have my wee sketches done on old fashioned paper. Im not one for these fancy 3D drawings you can do mate, wish I could though.


It Pays To Shop Around For Components
Brackets for the oval surround were ordered today as well.
I couldnt believe some companies were charging in excess of ÂŁ5 each and considering I need about 20 of them not a chance. Finally I got them delivered by one other company for ÂŁ1.50 each inc del and the delivery cost as much as the brackets did for my region, crazy but it pays to search online for best deals.
 
Last edited:
Wood for the Base ordered :)
Finally at last, relief......
Cost ÂŁ133.00 cut to requested sizes, screws and delivery.
Soon then it will be time to start building this jigsaw of a project
(err yes we are 5 pages in after all)

Wood:
18mm MDF top
2"x4" Timber frame in between
9mm MDF bottom

Hard to believe but the base complete is slightly bigger in floorspace than a UK sized Kingsize bed. :crazy:
 
Last edited:
This thought occurred to me while reading another thread - do you plan to include a UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply)?

Why would I need one mate?
Are they not more to ensure no data loss for PCs to have backup power?

------------------------------


PASSAT rear lights turned up today....đź‘Ž
Having a closer inspection I dont think I can use them because of how the bulb/reflector is moulded and cant be swapped.
May have to just resell these, grrrrrrrrr. One of those things you think will be okay but dont know till you can fully see it for real. Now need to find alternatives. Maybe something more basic and less hassle/cost as its not a big factor.

Has nobody considered brake lights before just as a style/theme addition to their cockpit?
 
Last edited:
Why would I need one mate?
Are they not more to ensure no data loss for PCs to have backup power?

You have obviously never been 7 hours into an 8 hour endurance race for 200 a-spec points, leading by 16 seconds, and everything suddenly goes dark. The ultimate cockpit needs a UPS.
 
You have obviously never been 7 hours into an 8 hour endurance race for 200 a-spec points, leading by 16 seconds, and everything suddenly goes dark. The ultimate cockpit needs a UPS.

Oh damn thats gotta make you mad.
As mentioned at the start Im really not a hardcore player like that. Some people may find it hard to believe yet that doesnt mean I dont want to enjoy my racing games in a great way though!

Appreciate you mentioning it although Id be curious as how many people do buy those?
 
Last edited:
I found this store online that sells rear lights. I'm not too sure about these lights but they might be useful to you.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest Posts

Back