PS3 General Discussion

[crooky369]

No, the 360 does better in some of those games... only because the PS3 titles are ports from the 360. Wait a few months, the PS3 will have improved graphics. If only slightly more so than its competitors.

ill believe it when i see it, but i dont care that much with halo 3, gta and forza coming out on the xbox 360.

the graphics were always going to be of a minimal difference so its all about the games really and my personal preference is with the xbox 360 but i fully understand others opnions

 

[Swift]

100% correct, and I totally agree. However, assuming you mostly agree with IGN's ratings like I do, would you rate Tony Hawk 3 (one of my favorite games by the way, Darth Maul FTW) a 9.8/10 again if they decided they wanted to release it on the X360 or PS3, with very few graphical improvements (so it'd look like total crap compared to even Project 8)? I'm not saying that these games aren't fun at all. I'm just asking if they deserve the same ratings if it was rereleased on next-gen consoles with very few, largely unnoticeable differences.

I don't understand this point. It's completely moot. Would you judge an older ZR1 corvette against a new ZO6? No? Why not? Because it's a world of difference in available technology.

Assuming THPS3 had NOT been released in any way up until now: Would it get a 9.8 if was released today with EXACTLY the same game play but current level of graphics. YES! Of course it would because the game is tight.

If they were re-released on a next gen console it would be in some kind of compilation. Something like THPS 1-4. I just picked up the genesis collection for the PS2 and I'm having a good time with it. The graphics a horrid(some from the REALLY old days) but that's not the point. The point is Sonic 2 is still fun, Vectorman 2 was a trip and Shinobi III is the best action based ninja game ever next to the Xbox version of ninja gaiden.

Your and Jedi's arguments are completely illogical. Whether or not you agree with IGN rankings. Explain to me how bringing back say, Soul Calibur for the dreamcast(it got a 10) on the PS3 or Xbox 360 would make the game any less good? As long as they didn't charge new game price for it, what's the problem?

By the way, the only Zelda from older systems on the Gamecube was OoT (and you got it when you preordered Wind Waker, and it had the original game with a slightly higher res, and it had the same game but with the dungeon difficulty cranked up. And it got a 9.

Incorrect. Though it wasn't "sold" there was this release

Zelda Collectors Edition

 

[mvandepas]

my god guys! Give it a rest! This post is turning itno garbage!

Just to stir a bit more I tend to agree with Jeremy Ricci. His principles and foundations for how ratings should be established coincide with my understanding.

Anyway, you guys are just replying to each others posts with extensions to your previous post and its never ending. Person 1 argues, then person 2 argues that point, so person 1 argues a bit more, and so person 2 argues the current point, but apparently person 1 misinterpreted person 2 so person 1 gets all ****ty, but then person tries to reason and then they both acuse each other of being Xbox360 fanboys and.......... give it a rest!

.... as you were.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

urm i think think your wrong

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6162742/p-6.html

I have a PS3, roomie has a 360, you don't.

I have both versions, and without a doubt, the PS3 version looks better, but has a little slow down in certain arena's, and the load times are a tad on the long side.

But, when it's all said and done, the lighting and minor details are better.

 

[Tornado]

I don't understand this point. It's completely moot. Would you judge an older ZR1 corvette against a new ZO6? No? Why not? Because it's a world of difference in available technology.

Well, actually, if you want to bring up cars again, yes. Most car magazines did that exact thing.

Assuming THPS3 had NOT been released in any way up until now: Would it get a 9.8 if was released today with EXACTLY the same game play but current level of graphics. YES! Of course it would because the game is tight.

Is this assuming that none of the other Tony Hawk games after THPS 3 had come out, or no?

If they were re-released on a next gen console it would be in some kind of compilation. Something like THPS 1-4. I just picked up the genesis collection for the PS2 and I'm having a good time with it. The graphics a horrid(some from the REALLY old days) but that's not the point. The point is Sonic 2 is still fun, Vectorman 2 was a trip and Shinobi III is the best action based ninja game ever next to the Xbox version of ninja gaiden.

That proves Duck's point exactly, unintentional though it may have been. If they didn't release games like that in a compilation, they wouldn't sell or get good reviews. One needs only to look at the NES Classic GBA series to understand that, particularly Super Mario Brothers (especially when compared to Super Mario Bros. Deluxe). Hell, the remakes of Lunar and Lunar 2 show it as well, as much as I hate to admit it.

What contemporaries? There is only Fight Night Round 3 on the 360 to base it on, and that is it. There are no other boxing games, let alone fighting games in the same league on PS3. What could they POSSIBLY compare it to, aside from the other version of FNR3, which has fewer features, and does not benefit from the visual improvements of the PS3 version?

I already explained that:

Oh, there is the problem. No, it does not suggest it is worse. It suggests it is, for lack of a better word, "dated," for various reasons. Is the PS3 version better graphically? Yes. Is it better graphically than other PS3 launch titles? No. Is the first person mode a good addition? Sure is. Does that make the game merit any higher of a score? Nope, because adding one or two features to a port or sequel and calling it a day has never done so. Ever. And it never will. Did it deserve to get a lower score? In my opinion, no. Did it deserve a higher score? Nope.

 

[Swift]

Well, actually, if you want to bring up cars again, yes. Most car magazines did that exact thing.

They do for comparative purposes. But not to say, the old one sucked compared to the new one. That's a given. But they will compare what has been improved, much like IGN does with sequels to games.

Is this assuming that none of the other Tony Hawk games after THPS 3 had come out, or no?

Exactly. If the THPS series just got started in 2004 and THPS3 was coming out in say January for PS3 and Xbox 360 then it would get great reviews.

That proves Duck's point exactly, unintentional though it may have been. If they didn't release games like that in a compilation, they wouldn't sell or get good reviews. One needs only to look at the NES Classic GBA series to understand that, particularly Super Mario Brothers (especially when compared to Super Mario Bros. Deluxe). Hell, the remakes of Lunar and Lunar 2 show it as well, as much as I hate to admit it.

Right, but why rank games that have already come out? The only thing that should be taken into consideration is the quality of the port. Outside of that, if the game is intact, it will be as good as it was before.

 

[DuckRacer]

Duck - Your example is retarded, and you should know better. I'm talking about a 10 month gap on two consoles of extremely similar power. You're trying to prove me wrong by using an example of a game that is a generation behind the console you'd wish to release it on. I'm talking 10 months, you're talking nearly 5 years. Huge different Duck, be intelligent here.

I know that. And the ratings reflect that. The 5 year gap caused the rating of Oot on Gamecube to drop by 1.0, even though it has enhancements. The near 1 year gap with FNR3 caused the rating to drop by 0.2. It's the exact same time/score drop ratio at play.

No, the 360 does better in some of those games... only because the PS3 titles are ports from the 360. Wait a few months, the PS3 will have improved graphics. If only slightly more so than its competitors.

Next few months? Seriously doubt it. Maybe in a year when the sports games and such come out. GTA4 will be an interesting comparison too.

I don't understand this point. It's completely moot. Would you judge an older ZR1 corvette against a new ZO6? No? Why not? Because it's a world of difference in available technology.

I would.

Your and Jedi's arguments are completely illogical. Whether or not you agree with IGN rankings. Explain to me how bringing back say, Soul Calibur for the dreamcast(it got a 10) on the PS3 or Xbox 360 would make the game any less good? As long as they didn't charge new game price for it, what's the problem?

Like Pako said...

Story line, game play, replay value are all categories that stand the test of time. Graphics, physics, frame rates are all subjective to current gaming standards, IMO.

The gameplay and such would still be the same, because those things are timeless. Soul Caliber would be worse since the graphics would bring the score down. But that's not implying that it's a bad game. It's probably a killer game even now. But the rating would be slightly lower.

Incorrect. Though it wasn't "sold" there was this release

Zelda Collectors Edition

Okay, thanks for telling me. 👍

*makes memo that another Gamecube Zelda exists*

And as request of mvandepas, let's drop the argument and go back to other PS3 news. I doubt we'll be convincing anyone anytime soon, and vice versa.

So...

I've heard that the new 1.3 firmware update fixes Bluetooth problems, the 1080i-on-old-CRT-HDTVs problem, and it allows background downloading. Is this all true?

 

[McLaren]

Okay Jeremy, here's an analogy.

Zelda: Ocarina of Time got a 10 in IGN. Now, what if the exact same game was released yesterday on the PS2. Do you expect the game to be rated a 10 again?

In this case, it'd be rated an 8-8.5 at most, since it's dated.

Terrible analogy. The reviewers all have different tastes.

IGN could rate it 10 and on the PS2 an 8.
But GS could rate it 8.6 and the PS2 an 9.

It could show that it doesn't depend on how awesome the game is, but the taste of the reveiwer.

 

[Eric.]

Alright guys, enough *****ing over a difference in reviews. We don't want to hear it. Finish it up in PMs if you want.

Edit: Ok, it looks like you have your own specific thread for FNR3. Go there if you'd prefer...

 

[slackbladder]

I've heard that the new 1.3 firmware update fixes Bluetooth problems, the 1080i-on-old-CRT-HDTVs problem, and it allows background downloading. Is this all true?

www.us.playstation.com has the details.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Tekken 5 DR 720p Screens:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061208/tk5.htm

Pretty much Tekken 5 DR (perfect arcade port) in HD. Being a Tekken fan, and since it'll be around $14.99, I'll buy it.

 

[Pako]

Not sure if you guys caught this in the last 1.3 system update:

With system software version 1.30 for the PLASYSTATION®3, the following USB devices are now supported for use with PlayStation 2 format software. Note that the vibration function, force feedback function, and calibration function of these devices are not supported.

Logitech Driving Force USB Steering Wheel
Logitech Driving Force Pro USB Steering Wheel
Logitech Driving Force EX USB Steering Wheel
HORI Flightstick2 USB Flight Stick
Logitech Flight Force USB Flight Stick

 

[FoolKiller]

Not sure if you guys caught this in the last 1.3 system update:

So, the DFP works but what is arguably the coolest function (force feedback) is now missing?

Someone let me know how that affects GT4.

 

[Pako]

So, the DFP works but what is arguably the coolest function (force feedback) is now missing?

Someone let me know how that affects GT4.

I saw that. Make you wonder if Logitech 'suggested' limited compatibility to make way for a new product, but it is a huge step closer to not working at all.

 

[KENJIusa]

New FF Versus XIII Trailer:

http://www.psu.com/node/5835

 

[Robin]

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html

OK..... I just read the big comparison test gamespot did (I do like the stars wars controllers touch!) and they had afew ingame shots of the 360 and ps3 games and how they slighty differ...... whats worring is that they totally slated the PS3 saying that the graphics and sometimes framerate are worse on every title they tested in almost everyway which horrified me, maybe its just gamespot being fanboys but seriously if there is so little difference what justifys the huge cost over the 360 then?? Gamespot did make the point that developers have had a year to get games right on 360 whereas development for PS3 is harder and brand new so it will take sometime to get the good stuff comming out but still, where has all this 'cell is the future', the ps3 is smarter and faster', 'the graphics are unmatched'.......I thought it was physically impossible for something to look worse on something which has more power!!!

Robin

 

[FoolKiller]

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html

OK..... I just read the big comparison test gamespot did (I do like the stars wars controllers touch!) and they had afew ingame shots of the 360 and ps3 games and how they slighty differ...... whats worring is that they totally slated the PS3 saying that the graphics and sometimes framerate are worse on every title they tested in almost everyway which horrified me, maybe its just gamespot being fanboys but seriously if there is so little difference what justifys the huge cost over the 360 then?? Gamespot did make the point that developers have had a year to get games right on 360 whereas development for PS3 is harder and brand new so it will take sometime to get the good stuff comming out but still, where has all this 'cell is the future', the ps3 is smarter and faster', 'the graphics are unmatched'.......I thought it was physically impossible for something to look worse on something which has more power!!!

Robin

If you race an Aveo and a Corvette and the Aveo driver floors it while the Corvette driver rolls at idle speed the Aveo will be faster, not by much but it will. If no one is pushing to get more from their PS3 port, version, whatever and they haven't completely worked out the programming system it won't be better, and can be worse.

More power means nothing unless you utilize it. Plus, as far as I am concerned it is all just advertising until they show me how teh cell is bigger, better, and smarter. Better yet, if it solves my Rubik's Cube and brings a baby doll to life in front of me then I will believe it.

 

[Robin]

If you race an Aveo and a Corvette and the Aveo driver floors it while the Corvette driver rolls at idle speed the Aveo will be faster, not by much but it will. If no one is pushing to get more from their PS3 port, version, whatever and they haven't completely worked out the programming system it won't be better, and can be worse.

Yeah, thats true, but surely Sony would have known this and wont this make the console look stupid to the average person on the street, if someone saw that article on the web and knew the 360 was alot cheaper then they would buy it.....Sony are going to loose to the people who have no allegience to consoles aswell as first time buyers, people go purely on what they can see at that point... they dont think about developers needing more time to perfect programming!

Also its a good point to note that all the games gamespot featured were multiplatform games, which and this point are all basically 360 ports! If you look at games tailor made for the PS3 like resistance then ofcourse they look far more amazing... but as for things like fight night, is that dubbing down of graphics (looks alot worse) to such a large extent really necssary to make it run on PS3 hardware, you would have thought they could have done better with that!

More power means nothing unless you utilize it. Plus, as far as I am concerned it is all just advertising until they show me how teh cell is bigger, better, and smarter. Better yet, if it solves my Rubik's Cube and brings a baby doll to life in front of me then I will believe it.

I do argee, but Sony need to get there act together because apart from the hardcore fans there is little reason at the moment to sway the average buyer into buying a PS3..... which is not a good thing!

Robin

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Yeah, thats true, but surely Sony would have known this and wont this make the console look stupid to the average person on the street, if someone saw that article on the web and knew the 360 was alot cheaper then they would buy it.....Sony are going to loose to the people who have no allegience to consoles aswell as first time buyers, people go purely on what they can see at that point... they dont think about developers needing more time to perfect programming!

Also its a good point to note that all the games gamespot featured were multiplatform games, which and this point are all basically 360 ports! If you look at games tailor made for the PS3 like resistance then ofcourse they look far more amazing... but as for things like fight night, is that dubbing down of graphics (looks alot worse) to such a large extent really necssary to make it run on PS3 hardware, you would have thought they could have done better with that!



I do argee, but Sony need to get there act together because apart from the hardcore fans there is little reason at the moment to sway the average buyer into buying a PS3..... which is not a good thing!

Robin

I own both version of fight night, and the PS3 version looks better. The 360 version has WAY too much blooming, and the contrast is insane, not to mention the PS3 has better facial animations and face ripples.

The PS3 also has better texture work and the minor details (like sweat, tatts, muscles) look better on PS3 as well. However, there are some occasions where slowdown occurs, generally when both fighters are throwing massive amounts of punches, though this RARELY happens. VERY rarely.

edit:

You be the judge:

PS3:

360:

 

[FoolKiller]

Yeah, thats true, but surely Sony would have known this and wont this make the console look stupid to the average person on the street, if someone saw that article on the web and knew the 360 was alot cheaper then they would buy it.....Sony are going to loose to the people who have no allegience to consoles aswell as first time buyers, people go purely on what they can see at that point... they dont think about developers needing more time to perfect programming!

Those who have no allegiance (I believe I may fall under this category as I am getting a Wii and have an Xbox and PS2 currently) will probably buy more than one over time and are possibly waiting for the killer app to buy each. This is why I am waiting for GT5 before I buy a PS3.

And first time gamers are possibly not likely to frequent gaming magazines and review sites---yet. They are mostly drawn in by advertising, which the PS3 seems to be blitzing with, something I find funny considering if I did see something that motivated me I couldn't get it anyway.

Also its a good point to note that all the games gamespot featured were multiplatform games, which and this point are all basically 360 ports! If you look at games tailor made for the PS3 like resistance then ofcourse they look far more amazing... but as for things like fight night, is that dubbing down of graphics (looks alot worse) to such a large extent really necssary to make it run on PS3 hardware, you would have thought they could have done better with that!

Being multiplatform/third-party games mean it isn't Sony's fault, but the developers, who either used these games to learn the new programming system with or were just making their port and getting on to their new game instead of wasting lots of time. The loyalists will buy the PS3 version and the multiplatform gamers will buy whichever version they prefer, if they haven't bought the 360 version already. For example, I am getting Madden for the Wii because it looks like the Wii will be more fun for sports. Were I a loyalist I woudl be getting a PS3 and buying Madden on it, but either way EA still gets my every two-year purchase of a Madden game.

I do argee, but Sony need to get there act together because apart from the hardcore fans there is little reason at the moment to sway the average buyer into buying a PS3..... which is not a good thing!

Honestly, from my perspective there still isn't a killer app out there for any system. Possibly Gears of War on the 360 and possibly Resistance on the PS3 will get everyone's attention, but I have yet to see the game that has everyone going OMFG!?! YOU HAVE TO BUY THIS!!!!!

For Sony that is Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, and arguably God of War (although I disagree). For Xbox that is definitely Halo and maybe Forza. Wii may have the killer app built into the control system so that any game is drastically different, and it can be argued that Zelda is their game, but they still have Mario and Metroid around the corner.

All three systems have a cool factor, but none of them have the coolest factor yet. I have yet to see a game that makes me jump for a specific system, I am just going for the cheapest first to allow me some next gen gaming until GT5 comes out.

 

[MeatyZor]

I would like to add some views on how the PS3 and X360 stack up, from the people who have worked with both systems. The vice president and chief visual officer at Electronic Arts said in an interview that he thinks they have used only about 20% of the PS3's power so far. Ofcourse, when asked if he thinks the PS3 is going to provide better graphics than the 360 he responds that 'there are going to be some differences' although he would not generalize to say better or worse graphics.

The head of technology of Blitz games is a little more reserved in a different interview, saying that basically the PS3 has more CPU power, but the 360 has a slightly more flexible GPU. Regardless, the future of games on both systems looks bright, with the gamer being the biggest winner.

 

[Jedi2016]

I own both version of fight night, and the PS3 version looks better. The 360 version has WAY too much blooming, and the contrast is insane, not to mention the PS3 has better facial animations and face ripples.

The PS3 also has better texture work and the minor details (like sweat, tatts, muscles) look better on PS3 as well. However, there are some occasions where slowdown occurs, generally when both fighters are throwing massive amounts of punches, though this RARELY happens. VERY rarely.

*sigh* Here we go again.

Show me the SAME screen on BOTH systems. Don't go digging for the best PS3 shot and the worst 360 shot to try and make your "point". The demo of FN3 on the 360 looks better than that screen you posted. Gimme a break.

Oh, and for the record.. just because you think it looks better doesn't mean everyone's going to agree with you. I happen to think the 360 version looks better. So do most of the people who have reviewed the game. Let me guess.. we're all wrong?

 

[Pako]

Which is better? Depends on the flavor or mood I'm looking for. Quite frankly, the Wii offers something unique that the 360 and PS3 will fall short, while the 360 and PS3 clearly offers more 'adult' style gaming and graphics. When the 360 came out, I saw no technology advantage over my fire breathing, dual graphics card gaming PC. In fact, it looked worse by comparison. As a result, I skipped the 360 as the few exclusive titles weren't enough for me to purchases the entire system. Then there's the PS3 that exceeded my current graphical expectations and surpassed my PC in terms of graphical quality. Keep in mind that I had a component hookup from the PC to my same HD 60" Sony LCD that the PS3 is on. The PS3 just has new technology and is more than a PC stuffed into a new case with a big X on it. In my opinion of course.

 

[DuckRacer]

www.us.playstation.com has the details.

Thanks for that.

Not sure if you guys caught this in the last 1.3 system update:

Yay! Now, force feedback please...

I'm honestly surprised that they're fixing this stuff this fast. Definitely faster than on the 360.

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html

OK..... I just read the big comparison test gamespot did (I do like the stars wars controllers touch!) and they had afew ingame shots of the 360 and ps3 games and how they slighty differ...... whats worring is that they totally slated the PS3 saying that the graphics and sometimes framerate are worse on every title they tested in almost everyway which horrified me, maybe its just gamespot being fanboys but seriously if there is so little difference what justifys the huge cost over the 360 then?? Gamespot did make the point that developers have had a year to get games right on 360 whereas development for PS3 is harder and brand new so it will take sometime to get the good stuff comming out but still, where has all this 'cell is the future', the ps3 is smarter and faster', 'the graphics are unmatched'.......I thought it was physically impossible for something to look worse on something which has more power!!!

Robin

Pretty much all the "graphics are unmatched" stuff is just PR crap.

It really comes down to the devs. Dev kits for both systems have been out for almost the same time, though the X360 supposedly has some of the best tools for that stuff while the Cell is harder to code for. You can tell this is obvious when NFS Carbon for PS3 has no trees or buildings in the rear view mirror when the X360 does.

Technically, the X360 has a better, more flexible GPU like MeatyZor said, but the Cell has the upper hand when it comes to processing.

And first time gamers are possibly not likely to frequent gaming magazines and review sites---yet. They are mostly drawn in by advertising, which the PS3 seems to be blitzing with, something I find funny considering if I did see something that motivated me I couldn't get it anyway.

Honestly, I think the Wii will absolutely pwn when it comes to this.

Honestly, from my perspective there still isn't a killer app out there for any system. Possibly Gears of War on the 360 and possibly Resistance on the PS3 will get everyone's attention, but I have yet to see the game that has everyone going OMFG!?! YOU HAVE TO BUY THIS!!!!!

If Gears of War, Resistance, and Zelda aren't killer apps, nothing is.

but they still have Mario and Metroid around the corner.

And Super Smash Bros Brawl.

My only problem with the Wii is that there really aren't any titles I want to try for 2007. Sure, there's Metroid, Mario, and SSBB, but that's it. Compared to my lists for the X360 and even the PS3, it's abysmal.

Oh, and for the record.. just because you think it looks better doesn't mean everyone's going to agree with you. I happen to think the 360 version looks better. So do most of the people who have reviewed the game. Let me guess.. we're all wrong?

Personally, I think the character models look better (though it really isn't all that noticeable in motion) and the lighting looks better in the PS3 version. The background (banners, etc) look 3d on the X360 version and nearly 2d on the PS3.

 

[DuckRacer]

Which is better? Depends on the flavor or mood I'm looking for. Quite frankly, the Wii offers something unique that the 360 and PS3 will fall short, while the 360 and PS3 clearly offers more 'adult' style gaming and graphics. When the 360 came out, I saw no technology advantage over my fire breathing, dual graphics card gaming PC. In fact, it looked worse by comparison. As a result, I skipped the 360 as the few exclusive titles weren't enough for me to purchases the entire system. Then there's the PS3 that exceeded my current graphical expectations and surpassed my PC in terms of graphical quality. Keep in mind that I had a component hookup from the PC to my same HD 60" Sony LCD that the PS3 is on. The PS3 just has new technology and is more than a PC stuffed into a new case with a big X on it. In my opinion of course.

Dual graphics cards? Daaamn. How much did that thing cost you?!?

I'd think if you had that kind of a PC that everything would look unimpressive.

 

[KENJIusa]

I don't care about the score, but here are ALL the screen shots taken from 360 version and PS3 version by IGN. Unless my eyes are playing with me, The fighters in PS3 have much more details than those in 360 version there.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748455/imgs_1.html

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/766/766603/imgs_1.html

 

[G.T]

I don't care about the score, but here are ALL the screen shots taken from 360 version and PS3 version by IGN. Unless my eyes are playing with me, The fighters in PS3 have much more details than those in 360 version there.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748455/imgs_1.html

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/766/766603/imgs_1.html

Yeah, those shots of the PS3 version are mightly impressive. Not surprising, as they have had time to improve on it after the release on the 360. I just think that because FNR 3 has had more time to be developed onto the PS3, detail has increased as a result. If you were to release it again on the 360, it would have progressed even more, etc, etc.

I predict that the consoles will be evenly matched, bettering in different areas than each other - some may like the 360 more due to the way thier games are developed, and some may prefer the PS3's. Like with Resistance at the moment - the snow is the best that anyone has ever seen, and has 40 players online, yet it is lacking in texture detail in areas, but with Gears of War on the 360, it has masses of detail and lighting like I have never seen before. Because of that I think GoW is the best looking console game to date by quite a margin.

It isn't helped by that the titles on the PS3 at the moment are launch titles, so I need to wait and see what the real-deal is like before I can make an overall impression on the PS3's graphics - and to even play on a PS3 myself, of course. Then there is the factor of not having a 1080p HDTV, which would make a difference to visuals too. Things get ever so complicated...

So, I just think that we shouldn't argue over what is the better looking console , as, clearly from some of the screenshots and variaty of TVs and kit we own, is better to some people and worse for others than the 360. It will be interesting to see what will be happening over the next few years, that's for sure, as it seems as it won't be as clear as a differnece between the Xbox and PS2 of old...

 

[opendriver]

Well, I went to my local EBgames and they had a PS3 there on display. I saw the guy infront of me was playing motorstorm. He sucked it and was leaning with the car( like most people getting into a game) once he was done he walked away and I stated to play. The physics of the game seem like a combination of GT4 and NFS. I was about 3 minutes through the game before I realized that it looked amazing on the Sony Bravia LCD TV. Everything was going smoothly and I was in heaven. Until, the screen goes black. Well, I look down @ the PS3 and see that there ar NO VENT HOLES IN THE DISPLAY CASE.I look over to the EB employs and say "hey theres no vent holes here" they reply " we cant touch that display" I say to them " you think someone playing this PS3 and then overheatingit cauing it to crash it going to want to buy a PS3?"

They didnt anwser and I walked out, I was going to say PWND but they would have overheard me saying it



Oh well, thats my experince with it, im sure the people that have a PS3 at there house have a different set-up with more airflow. I still love the PS3 and im still going to get one

 

[Pako]

Not sure about EBgames, but the displays at BestBuy have a PS3 displayed behind a Plexiglas case that isn't even real. The guts are inside the base of the display case. The demo display has just enough hardware to play the preloaded games.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Well, I went to my local EBgames and they had a PS3 there on display. I saw the guy infront of me was playing motorstorm. He sucked it and was leaning with the car( like most people getting into a game) once he was done he walked away and I stated to play. The physics of the game seem like a combination of GT4 and NFS. I was about 3 minutes through the game before I realized that it looked amazing on the Sony Bravia LCD TV. Everything was going smoothly and I was in heaven. Until, the screen goes black. Well, I look down @ the PS3 and see that there ar NO VENT HOLES IN THE DISPLAY CASE.I look over to the EB employs and say "hey theres no vent holes here" they reply " we cant touch that display" I say to them " you think someone playing this PS3 and then overheatingit cauing it to crash it going to want to buy a PS3?"

They didnt anwser and I walked out, I was going to say PWND but they would have overheard me saying it



Oh well, thats my experince with it, im sure the people that have a PS3 at there house have a different set-up with more airflow. I still love the PS3 and im still going to get one

The crash is caused by the bad software build of Motorstorm, not the PS3 overheating. The PS3 you saw in the glass isn't real, and it's actually in the metal stand, with about 3 fans pumping out air. You should have been able to hear them...