PS3 General Discussion

[Robin]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4908

Heres some pictures of the PS3 taken apart if anyone is interested, the quality seems really high with lots of nice copper heatpipes and a huge 160mm fan..... they say the noise is comparable to the slimline PS2.... which I played on once and I didnt even hear anything! I love the way the PS2 chipsets are totally separate from the rest of the motherboard, I suppose the only way of getting backwards compatability was to literally bolt a ps2 onto it on the inside! All in all seems really solid and well laid out for the best airflow.....

Robin

 

[Robin]

I own both version of fight night, and the PS3 version looks better. The 360 version has WAY too much blooming, and the contrast is insane, not to mention the PS3 has better facial animations and face ripples.

The PS3 also has better texture work and the minor details (like sweat, tatts, muscles) look better on PS3 as well. However, there are some occasions where slowdown occurs, generally when both fighters are throwing massive amounts of punches, though this RARELY happens. VERY rarely.

Hmmm, Gamespot must have seriously just chosen the best and worst screen shots because they make out that it totally sucks on PS3 but ofcourse I going to believe someone who has the game on both systems over some website.

About the blooming and contrast, sometimes that can be a good thing to create a slightly surreal atmosphere, like if you want it situation to be intense or scary then having things like overbright can be the best thing to make you feel more immersed in the game, however these types of effects are more suited to FPS and RPG's which are more fictional rather than a sports sim but I get your point.

Those who have no allegiance (I believe I may fall under this category as I am getting a Wii and have an Xbox and PS2 currently) will probably buy more than one over time and are possibly waiting for the killer app to buy each. This is why I am waiting for GT5 before I buy a PS3.

I think that is why the Wii will be so successful, its fun, available and cheap! It will be able to keep someone occupied till a system like the PS3 gets a game thats realy worth buying it to play, or till the price comes down. Sony need more 'killer app's' as you say to get the sales rolling, If it had lanched with like MGS and GT5 can you imagine the hype and amount of sales that would have generated, although resistance has been doing quite well for the PS3 so far.

And first time gamers are possibly not likely to frequent gaming magazines and review sites---yet. They are mostly drawn in by advertising, which the PS3 seems to be blitzing with, something I find funny considering if I did see something that motivated me I couldn't get it anyway.

You make a good point, but I think the PS3 advertising campaign if scaring people more than convinsing people to go out and buy one! Sony are selling it as though its like a Voodo machine or runs on black magic!

Being multiplatform/third-party games mean it isn't Sony's fault, but the developers, who either used these games to learn the new programming system with or were just making their port and getting on to their new game instead of wasting lots of time. The loyalists will buy the PS3 version and the multiplatform gamers will buy whichever version they prefer, if they haven't bought the 360 version already. For example, I am getting Madden for the Wii because it looks like the Wii will be more fun for sports. Were I a loyalist I woudl be getting a PS3 and buying Madden on it, but either way EA still gets my every two-year purchase of a Madden game.

I wish that they would make more of an effort with multiplatform games though! with more and more being available on all systems and the 360 and PS3 being so close in terms of power its very tempting to not bother and port eveything! People like EA will always win because they get your money, whatever system you buy but thats not an excuse to be lazy!

It really comes down to the devs. Dev kits for both systems have been out for almost the same time, though the X360 supposedly has some of the best tools for that stuff while the Cell is harder to code for. You can tell this is obvious when NFS Carbon for PS3 has no trees or buildings in the rear view mirror when the X360 does.

Technically, the X360 has a better, more flexible GPU like MeatyZor said, but the Cell has the upper hand when it comes to processing.

Then Sony should have built a computer! I cant believe that they have missed the whole point of this... its ment to be the most amazing GAMING system ever and we find that its better at running powerpoint! Yes I know Sony said they didnt want it to just be a console but still a flexible GPU... duh whould have been the first thing they should have thought of! I just hope that first party developers know how to code it to gets its full potential, like PD.

Robin

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Sony need more 'killer app's' as you say to get the sales rolling, If it had lanched with like MGS and GT5 can you imagine the hype and amount of sales that would have generated, although resistance has been doing quite well for the PS3 so far.

Uh.... last I checked... every PS3 Sony has made so far has sold. Their problem isn't in any lack of demmand for the PS3. Sony's problem is that their production is currently unable to keep up with demand.

The top selling game for the month was Final Fantasy XII for the PS2, followed by Gears of War for Xbox 360, and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess for Nintendo Wii. The titles captured 3.8, 3.4, and 1.7 percent of all games sold respectively.

Playstation 2 captured 32 percent of all sales, followed by Xbox 360 at 19 percent. PC games came in third at 10 percent and Nintendo DS at 10 percent. Xbox and Gameboy Advance at 6 percent each rounded out the top five.

Shortages of Sony's next-generation Playstation 3 may have helped out sales of Sony's other platforms, the Playstation 2, and Playstation Portable. The Japanese electronics maker expected 400,000 Playstation 3 consoles to sell in the U.S., however NPD reported that only 196,000 were shipped.

"As a result of the PS3's constrained supply, it appears people are looking toward other Sony products to purchase this holiday season.” Todd Mitchell, research analyst for Kaufman Bros. said.

The first full week of the holiday shopping season starting on November 26 saw a spike in game sales for Playstation systems compared to the previous week. PS2 game sales rose 117 percent and PSP sales shot up 281 percent, he noted. The PS2 sold 664,000 game units putting it in first place among all consoles.

Sony has been delivering additional Playstation 3 units since its launch and insists it is on target to ship 1 million by the end of the year.

 

[Silverzone]

My Wal Mart has actually had a 20 gig unit sitting on the shelf all week now. I am shocked.

 

[Jedi2016]

Hmmm, Gamespot must have seriously just chosen the best and worst screen shots because they make out that it totally sucks on PS3 but ofcourse I going to believe someone who has the game on both systems over some website.

The best comparison I saw was over at IGN. They recorded a video of the same two fighters, the same location, the same match, and put them in a video side-by-side.

The PS3 had some fancier lighting effects, but the 360 had better lighting. The lighting on the PS3 just looked too "flat".. no sense of depth, like everything was super illuminated, something that next-gen games should NOT have. That's a last-gen thing.

The other big thing I noticed was the lack of motion blur. That was one of the things that really sold this game, and they removed it. Why? Jeremy will tell you it looks better without it. What do the rest of you think?

 

[DuckRacer]

The best comparison I saw was over at IGN. They recorded a video of the same two fighters, the same location, the same match, and put them in a video side-by-side.

The PS3 had some fancier lighting effects, but the 360 had better lighting. The lighting on the PS3 just looked too "flat".. no sense of depth, like everything was super illuminated, something that next-gen games should NOT have. That's a last-gen thing.

The other big thing I noticed was the lack of motion blur. That was one of the things that really sold this game, and they removed it. Why? Jeremy will tell you it looks better without it. What do the rest of you think?

Could you link me to the video? I tried searching for it on Google (and IGN of course) but I'm having no luck.

 

[Robin]

My Wal Mart has actually had a 20 gig unit sitting on the shelf all week now. I am shocked.

I think its because you guys love the chrome over in the US!

But seriously I wouldnt really want the 'tardier' version to be honest, I would want the full package!

 

[Jedi2016]

Could you link me to the video? I tried searching for it on Google (and IGN of course) but I'm having no luck.

It's an Insider thing, not sure if you've got that or not:

http://insider.ign.com/videos/articles/749/749649p1.html

 

[DuckRacer]

It's an Insider thing, not sure if you've got that or not:

http://insider.ign.com/videos/articles/749/749649p1.html

Nope, don't have Insider, I'm cheap.

EDIT: Could you upload the video to RapidShare?

 

[Jedi2016]

It's a REALLY big file.. 230MB.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

The best comparison I saw was over at IGN. They recorded a video of the same two fighters, the same location, the same match, and put them in a video side-by-side.

The PS3 had some fancier lighting effects, but the 360 had better lighting. The lighting on the PS3 just looked too "flat".. no sense of depth, like everything was super illuminated, something that next-gen games should NOT have. That's a last-gen thing.

The other big thing I noticed was the lack of motion blur. That was one of the things that really sold this game, and they removed it. Why? Jeremy will tell you it looks better without it. What do the rest of you think?

They removed motion blur because it didn't do anything for the game. With the removal of motion blur we gained better muscle detail (tendons, flexing, skin textures) and we also gained better facial animations (ripples from punches, mouth movement, etc).

Again, you don't own a PS3, nor have you played the game personally on both systems. Watching a trailer from a website that is compressed won't do you any good. Until you see both games running in 720p from a direct source, you have absolutely no place to talk.

As for the lighting,that is your opinion, and your opinion only. I'd love to resort to screen shots here, but you'll just go on some tangent and whine about how I'm being "choicey". You can choose whatever you like, but the chances of you finding a 360 screen with the level of muscle and texture detail as well as character definition in comparison to the PS3 is zero.

 

[Jedi2016]

Told you that's what he'd say.

 

[McLaren]

Told you that's what he'd say.

And you know he's right.

I got a bud who managed to buy a PS3 and after we compared NBA Live '07, it was no choice what looked better. Sony's. He was so impressed, that he took the PS3 game back, and bought the HD version. No competition.

 

[Jedi2016]

And you know he's right.

Do I now? That's some very impressive, if totally inaccurate, mind reading going on there, McL.

Motion blur adds nothing to the game, huh? So I guess that little thing called "realism" doesn't matter anymore, does it? Ever pause a DVD when something's moving? No? Try it sometime, I think you'll be surprised by what you see.

I think the reason they removed it was much simpler.. they couldn't get the game to run worth a damn with it turned on, because EA's programmers probably couldn't program a frikkin' calculator if left to their own devices.

There's a lot of people that disagree with you on that one.. a lot more developers are adding motion blur to games, because it belongs there. It's been missing for far too long, and it's about damn time we got it. I welcome it with open arms.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Do I now? That's some very impressive, if totally inaccurate, mind reading going on there, McL.

Motion blur adds nothing to the game, huh? So I guess that little thing called "realism" doesn't matter anymore, does it? Ever pause a DVD when something's moving? No? Try it sometime, I think you'll be surprised by what you see.

I think the reason they removed it was much simpler.. they couldn't get the game to run worth a damn with it turned on, because EA's programmers probably couldn't program a frikkin' calculator if left to their own devices.

There's a lot of people that disagree with you on that one.. a lot more developers are adding motion blur to games, because it belongs there. It's been missing for far too long, and it's about damn time we got it. I welcome it with open arms.

I will agree with you on thing, most of those games used to compare the 360 to the PS3 looked better on the 360. But, I bet that was by design.

It seems the PS3 version of the games look too washed out with contrast and brightness. This was a trade off, because it would both expose and hide details over the 360 version. In short, I didn't like it.

Next, some 360 games had MORE detail than the PS3 version, and vice versa. Look at Madden on PS3; it looks like crap compared to the 360 version. Look at the jersey details. Mesh could be seen on the 360 version, but not on the PS3. Also, look at the helmet details and other jersey details. Big differences.

Again, in defense of the PS3, I'm sure these games were made for the 360, then modified to work with the PS3 with minimal effort, a la EASucks.

 

[KENJIusa]

When I have my PS3, I'll limit myself from buying games that are made for 360 then port to the PS3, most of those games stink like *******

 

[Solid Fro]

If they look like **** on PS3, imagine what they look like on 360. I've notice on the EA ports, there is a terrible amount of aliasing. Although Fight Night looks amazing close up in 1080p. I've been clawing my way through Call of Duty 3 all night. In my opinion, it's the best game to use the SIXAXIS controller. If a Nazi jumps you from behind, you have to shake him off violently. You can also throw a punch to knock him out, you really have to throw the controller in the same fashion of throwing a punch, it really felt like I was doing it.

Damn Nazi scum.

 

[DuckRacer]

If they look like **** on PS3, imagine what they look like on 360. I've notice on the EA ports, there is a terrible amount of aliasing.

They probably look better on the 360 since the PS3 versions are ports. 💡

I've been clawing my way through Call of Duty 3 all night. In my opinion, it's the best game to use the SIXAXIS controller. If a Nazi jumps you from behind, you have to shake him off violently. You can also throw a punch to knock him out, you really have to throw the controller in the same fashion of throwing a punch, it really felt like I was doing it.

Damn Nazi scum.

Nice. When I played it on my 360, those parts where you're wrestling with the Nazis and you have to repeatedly press the trigger buttons seemed unrealistic, and this looks like one way where the Sixaxis excels. 👍

Btw, did you miss the rumble? And do you think swapping rumble with motion tech was a good idea?

 

[LaBounti]

EA could have used the sixaxis to move your body around in the "Get In the Ring" mode of FNR3 . It beats hold down a button to bob and weave.

 

[Solid Lifters]

LOL! I just saw this, and had a good laugh. Maybe you will too.

 

[DuckRacer]

EA could have used the sixaxis to move your body around in the "Get In the Ring" mode of FNR3 . It beats hold down a button to bob and weave.

Yeah, the bob 'n weave thing in Wii Sports Boxing is pretty sweet.

Hopefully EA will put that feature in FNR4.

 

[KENJIusa]

Virtua Fighter 5 will be out in Japan on Feb 10, expect US version shortly after that.

I really am looking forward to this game, I miss my Aoi

 

[Solid Fro]

They probably look better on the 360 since the PS3 versions are ports. 💡



Nice. When I played it on my 360, those parts where you're wrestling with the Nazis and you have to repeatedly press the trigger buttons seemed unrealistic, and this looks like one way where the Sixaxis excels. 👍

Btw, did you miss the rumble? And do you think swapping rumble with motion tech was a good idea?

To be honest, I didn't realize rumble was missing most of the time. In a way, the motion sensor creates it's own sense of "rumble" of moving the controller in different ways. I've never yelled out "****ing crout" in a WWII game and had soreness from the sudden acceleration of my arm. Rumble can never re-create that. Although, I think games like Metal Gear Solid will miss rumble quite a lot.

 

[Pako]

LOL! I just saw this, and had a good laugh. Maybe you will too.

Were those number including Japans release as well?

That is quite humorous.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Were those number including Japans release as well?

That is quite humorous.

It was for Japan and NA. One million for each. They didn't quite make it.

Oh, and for you, or any other PS3 owner, is there a way to post a game save file that others can download? For example, if I have a game save from MGS3 will everything unlocked, can I store it on my PS3 or memory card, save it to a website location for others to download? Basically, sharing files with other PS3 owners.

 

[Omnis]

LOL! I just saw this, and had a good laugh. Maybe you will too.

What they don't tell you is that those figures are units of lies.

 

[Solid Lifters]

What they don't tell you is that those figures are units of lies.

Or pieces of hate-mail they plan to get for the horrible launch.

 

[Pako]

It was for Japan and NA. One million for each. They didn't quite make it.

Oh, and for you, or any other PS3 owner, is there a way to post a game save file that others can download? For example, if I have a game save from MGS3 will everything unlocked, can I store it on my PS3 or memory card, save it to a website location for others to download? Basically, sharing files with other PS3 owners.

Yes you can. This will show the directory structure. I had to delete the two png files that were graphic files of the game Ultimate Alliance as it added 500kb to the file size.

 

[DuckRacer]

Oh, and for you, or any other PS3 owner, is there a way to post a game save file that others can download? For example, if I have a game save from MGS3 will everything unlocked, can I store it on my PS3 or memory card, save it to a website location for others to download? Basically, sharing files with other PS3 owners.

I would think so. Since the PS3 can write files to SD Cards and such, I'd expect it to work like the MAX Drive on the PS2.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Yes you can. This will show the directory structure. I had to delete the two png files that were graphic files of the game Ultimate Alliance as it added 500kb to the file size.

Awesome. So, anybody with a PS3 can download that file and have a copy of your game file? That's cool!