PS3 General Discussion

[FoolKiller]

I suggest taking a look at Gamesradar or Computer & Video Games forums then, more than enough fanboys of all flavours on those two sites alone.

As well as the comments section on Joystiq.com or even YouTube.



Anyway, I think the point has been long proven that both systems have their own exclusives with varying degrees of quality. I mean, for every few good exclusives there is a bad one on both systems. Or in some cases, an undeserved flop.

Even the best of the best games aren't wthout flaws. My three favorite PS3 games are GT5P, MGS4, and LBP. I can make lists of issues for each. Uncharted nearly makes that list too and I clearly remember jumping through a wall, repeatedly.

On the same token I can go to town on Halo, Forza or Gears of War games.

At the end of the day it is all about preference.

 

[Giancarlo]

Once again, it really only exposes that person's own limits and perhaps bias when their personal subjective opinions are often so different from the vast majority.

Are you a fascist?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Are you a fascist?

Really? That's where you want to go with this?

And the answer is no.

There are flavors of ice cream that I don't like, but I suspect, based on sales, I am among the minority in that regard. I also know for a fact that there are films that I don't like that are considered master pieces by the majority of critics. It's perfectly fine and normal to have a minority opinion, especially a subjective one. However, just as it is with my subjective opinions about ice cream flavors and films, it says more about me than it does the quality of the ice cream and films, especially as it pertains to everyone else.

Capice???



BTW: If this keeps up, I'm afraid I'm going to have to follow Joey's lead and use the GTPlanet ignore feature to block your posts from showing up... or however it works, as you would also be the first person I will have ever used that with.

 

[Giancarlo]

Really? That's where you want to go with this?

And the answer is no.

If this keeps up, I'm afraid I'm going to have to follow Joey's lead and use the GTPlanet ignore feature to block your posts from showing up... or however it works, as you would also be the first person I will have ever used that with.

You're judging me again... I know what fascism is, maybe you might not. I'm not calling you names.

Fascism is an authoritarian or totalitarian nationalist ideology, which is primarily concerned with notions of decline or decadence, and which seeks to solve such problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth, exalting the nation or race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength and purity. Fascists typically seek to form a mass movement of militants who are willing to engage in violence against their perceived enemies. Fascism opposes international socialism, communism, conservatism, democracy, individualism, liberalism, materialism, pacifism, laissez faire, and political pluralism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

According to my understanding (which no, unfortunately might not be fact) of that article, and your post i quoted in my previous post, you find it strange when people deviate from the majority. You also blame bias and personal problems - someone's "own limits" - for such occurrences.

You can add me to your ignore list, that's fine, that's your personal choice just as it was Joey's. I can do nothing to change that. However, i would like to respectfully let you know that - in this case - i find that extremely childish. The fact of the matter is that i'm having a simple discussion with you, trying to defend myself from your wild claims that i apparently have no idea what i write about here. In addition, i am in no way am i violating the TOS for this website. There is no true basis for you to block me. I haven't even used any sarcasm against you. I've only used it against Jeremy, because i need to match up with his own abnormally high levels.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I know what fascism is, maybe you might not. I'm not calling you names.

Sure.

There are flavors of ice cream that I don't like, but I suspect, based on sales, I am among the minority in that regard. I also know for a fact that there are films that I don't like that are considered master pieces by the majority of critics. It's perfectly fine and normal to have a minority opinion, especially a subjective one. However, just as it is with my subjective opinions about ice cream flavors and films, it says more about me than it does the quality of the ice cream and films, especially as it pertains to everyone else.

Capice???

Moving on...

So a couple of days ago, i've put a 320 gig HDD in my PS3 and now im very happy

Depending on how Christmas goes I will be doing that shortly. If I get games to keep me entertained then my usual gaming budget will go toward this. I'm also hoping someone snags me the external drive I want that will be large enough to back up my current drive, and then use it as a back up for my new drive.

Well i seen some External drives of 1TB under 100 Euros 👍

I upgraded my PS3's HDD to a 320GB drive back in June, and we are already reaching its limit... and that's with two additional 500GB external drives.

The problem we have is that we really prefer the PS3's interface and sorting & organizing options for content that's on the internal HD over that of the external drives, as well as our other media devices.

So my latest consideration is using something like this, which would allow me to replace the HDD with a 1TB or larger HD. The only downside is that it would mean it's not built in, but then again, we already have external drives, so for us, it's no big deal.

The advantage of this though is that I am I not limited to just 2.5" drives, which are limited in storage capacity and are also a good deal more expensive.

 

[FoolKiller]

I upgraded my PS3's HDD to a 320GB drive back in June, and we are already reaching its limit... and that's with two additional 500GB external drives.

I have to ask: With what? My PC has a TV Tuner/video recorder and that combined with my external drive and PS3 still hasn't exceeded 320GB. And that's with me still holding the entire John Adams mini series in raw video format on my hard drive. Granted it is SD raw video, but still.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I have to ask: With what? My PC has a TV Tuner/video recorder and that combined with my external drive and PS3 still hasn't exceeded 320GB. And that's with me still holding the entire John Adams mini series in raw video format on my hard drive. Granted it is SD raw video, but still.

We also have four Scientific Atlanta 8300HD DVRs (one for my office, one for our bedroom, one for our theater room, and another in the family room), each comes with a 160GB internal HDD, and three have an additional 500GB external drive... So together that's over 2TB of DVR space, and all four are always kept at about 90% full... as we never have time to watch most, but we like the ability to record things that interst us, and have them available for a while in the event that we do find we have some time.

If... and I do mean, if, as it would take some time to do it, I tried to put all my DVDs on hard drives, I would need over 20TB of disc storage.

We already have one 500MB drive that's about 75% full of music, not including a vast collection of SACD and CDs... Which if copied on a hard drive without compromising the audio quality, would take up a tremendous amount of disc space.

Then we have a 500GB external drive which has all our family photos and home movies, which is also nearly full.

Then we have yet another 500GB drive which I use to store a lot of content I have downloaded from the PSN stores, like wallpapers, music, musci videos, movie and game trailers, etc. In addition, I also use it to store downloaded movies, TV shows, documentaries, internet videos, music videos etc.

So I am definitely not short on content that could easily eat up massive amounts of disc space.

 

[Appie]

We also have four Scientific Atlanta 8300HD DVRs (one for my office, one for our bedroom, one for our theater room, and another in the family room), each comes with a 160GB internal HDD, and three have an additional 500GB external drive... So together that's over 2TB of DVR space, and all four are always kept at about 90% full... as we never have time to watch most, but we like the ability to record things that interst us, and have them available for a while in the event that we do find we have some time.

If... and I do mean, if, as it would take some time to do it, I tried to put all my DVDs on hard drives, I would need over 20TB of disc storage.

We already have one 500MB drive that's about 75% full of music, not including a vast collection of SACD and CDs... Which if copied on a hard drive without compromising the audio quality, would take up a tremendous amount of disc space.

Then we have a 500GB external drive which has all our family photos and home movies, which is also nearly full.

Then we have yet another 500GB drive which I use to store a lot of content I have downloaded from the PSN stores, like wallpapers, music, musci videos, movie and game trailers, etc. In addition, I also use it to store downloaded movies, TV shows, documentaries, internet videos, music videos etc.

So I am definitely not short on content that could easily eat up massive amounts of disc space.

Talk about having Space.....

 

[Scaff]

I'm sorry you have an issue with it, in my opinion there is quite a bit of untrue statements concerning the 360 and it's games on this site. Yes they may be opinions, in fact I would almost certainly say they are but sometime it is difficult to separate fact from opinion. However, one only needs to look back a few posts to see that the claim the 360 only has one good game is false as D-N proved a few posts back as well. That is the sort of stuff I am talking about.

They are either opinions or statments. If they are statements of fact they should be supported by evidence to back the statement up (a precident that has been long established here), if you see a statement of fact that doesn't ring true and want it addressed then ask for proof. If none is forthcoming then the report button is your friend.

However an opinion, as long as it keeps within the AUP, is something a member is free to express, and you are just as free to agree or disagree with.

It's not just on consoles either, it's on cars, politics, religion, etc.

Discussions on differeing points of view and opinion is exactly what makes GT Planet the place that it is. I for one am exteremly glad that this is the case, and very proud of the members ability to have they differeing view points and opinion, while repecting others.

A quote for you that many a member would do well with keeping in mind .......

I may detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

...and while not aimed specifically at you, it does illustrates my point about opinions. You are not always meant to agree with them, and if you don't then state you own opinion.

Ah, but you forget that I said the design flaw is the reason you need to take extra care of your system. I've taken care of my system and it's done fine with only my stupidity breaking it. My PS3 on the other hand died without explanation. Although this does not make me go around saying all PS3's are unreliable. I guess I just got a bad one.

I took great care to check before making that post and can assure you that while you did come to accept this design flaw, that was not your original standpoint on it. As has already been said I find you open nature on the whole PS3/360 discusion to be a great example, and have no desire to drag the whole issue back up, but your original view was one that (and it was expressed as an opinion) the issue was cause by user abuse.


Regards

Scaff

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Well I decided to buy my PS3 some Chritmas gifts:

PS3 Real Trigger Kit

Travel Bag Advance For PS3

Xecuter HDXT PS3 Hard Drive Xtender




I am still trying to decide what drive to replace my current internal 320GB HDD with.

I am currently leaning towards one of these (price includes tax & shipping):

• $100 Samsung HD103UJ Spinpoint F1
  • 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 32MB Cache
  
  
• $105 Western Digital WD10EACS Caviar Green
  • 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache
  
  
• $110 Seagate ST31000333AS Barracuda
  • 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 32MB Cache
  
  
• $130 Seagate ST31500341AS Barracuda
  • 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 32MB Cache

I'm open for suggestions. The best value is certainly the 1.5TB Barracuda drive from Seagate, but I'm tempted to stick with Western Digital as I have a great track record with their drives, and I know they are very quiet drives, which I like. I'm definitely weary of Samsung drives, as I have heard iffy things about them in the past... but a $100 is certainly a great price for a 1TB drive w/32MB cache. 👍

 

[Moglet]

I got Motorstorm recently to see what all the fuss was about. I've played about 1/2 way through the tickets and it's just....crap!

The vehicles, although varied, all seem to have one weakness; they all have a ridiculously high center of gravity which causes them to topple at the slightest hint of a bump. The AI appears to have unlimited boost to be able to pull away from me all the damn time, and why are the routes for the slower vehicles no shorter than those for the faster ones? It makes no sense! There's me, forced into a truck by the game being overtaken on higher ridges by motorbikes who get a route of equal length!

Then there's been times where I've been reset to an area that I cannot get out of, forcing me to restart the race, and other times when I try to ram the AI but they won't budge, yet they tap me and off I fly into a rock.

I don't see what all the fuss was about when it came out? Was it just because it had fancy looking mud? Is Pacific Rift any better?

 

[ceiling_fan]

Pacific Rift is better, especially track design. Handling is still oversensitive but not as bad.

 

[FoolKiller]

I got Motorstorm recently to see what all the fuss was about. I've played about 1/2 way through the tickets and it's just....crap!

The vehicles, although varied, all seem to have one weakness; they all have a ridiculously high center of gravity which causes them to topple at the slightest hint of a bump. The AI appears to have unlimited boost to be able to pull away from me all the damn time, and why are the routes for the slower vehicles no shorter than those for the faster ones? It makes no sense! There's me, forced into a truck by the game being overtaken on higher ridges by motorbikes who get a route of equal length!

Then there's been times where I've been reset to an area that I cannot get out of, forcing me to restart the race, and other times when I try to ram the AI but they won't budge, yet they tap me and off I fly into a rock.

I don't see what all the fuss was about when it came out? Was it just because it had fancy looking mud? Is Pacific Rift any better?

I have my own issues with Motorstorm, but oddly none of them are the things you listed. I think you need to remember that most average gamers prefer an arcade racer.

If you want something a tad more on the realistic side I suggest DiRT. I love that game and it is realistic enough to not constantly remind me that I am playing an arcade racer.

 

[Moglet]

I have my own issues with Motorstorm, but oddly none of them are the things you listed. I think you need to remember that most average gamers prefer an arcade racer.

If you want something a tad more on the realistic side I suggest DiRT. I love that game and it is realistic enough to not constantly remind me that I am playing an arcade racer.

I do quite like DiRT 👍
I know it's supposed to be arcadey and that's fair enough because I enjoy that sometimes (GTI Club+ is my current favourite racer!) but I just think that for how much it was hyped (especially by my friends) it lacks a proper finish. It's almost like a small demo game produced to show off the new mud and track designs.

I might trade it in for a bit of money off DiRT after all.
Out of interest, what are your issues with it?

 

[FoolKiller]

Out of interest, what are your issues with it?

Round about the third or fourth tier (it's been a year so I can't remember exactly) the AI decided actually racing wasn't the key to beating me. No, teaming up so that it was me vs 15 AI was. So, a guy all the way up front would completely turn around and head at me head-on, all other cars moving out of his way, and destroy me.

The game is supposed to be a racer, not a destruction derby. Racing is the goal, destruction is a means to that goal. But when one character, which is supposed to be only working for himself, takes himself out of the race just so that I can't win, and someone else can, it is no longer the game I signed up for. I signed up to race against a group of individual AI's not a hive mind.

I could have tried out the online, but I will never give a game the time of day if complaints about singleplayer are answered by, "But the multiplayer is awesome" (looking at you Halo, yeah all three of you). If you are creating a multiplayer game then do it like Warhawk. Don't throw in a contrived or broken singleplayer experience just to justify an extra $20 at the shop.



Hmm, that was a rant. So, I really have one issue, but it is a pet peeve of mine when it comes to games.

 

[Solid Fro]

Travel Bag Advance For PS3

I am also looking for a travel bag for my PS3. I'm just tired of playing Rock Band on last gen systems at friend houses. Hell, I'll just bring my PS3 and all of my DLC with me. I saw this one at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000K12Z9I/?tag=gtplanet-20

Looks pretty sweet. I can be metrosexual and a nerd all at the same time.

 

[ceiling_fan]

Has anybody downloaded the trailer for Bayonetta? Hilarious and cringeworthy at the same time... especially 35 seconds in.

@FooKilla: Motorstorm 1 had awful online. M2 seemed okay, except the person in first place always won by 30 seconds or so.

 

[FoolKiller]

@FooKilla: Motorstorm 1 had awful online. M2 seemed okay, except the person in first place always won by 30 seconds or so.

Well, when I first voiced my issues I was answered, in this thread, with tales of the great online. Of course, to me that answer means an instant rejection of the game.

I'm sorry, but if game developers are going to sacrifice things like story and AI so that the Big Pictureless online can be good then we can put an end to the games as art debate right now. Micro goals, with no story, in a small match/race/whatever is not art.

 

[harrytuttle]

Talk about having Space.....

If you've grown up with PC's, you tend to be a bit of a hoarder for digital media. Especially as you've seen storage prices drop from $1,000/GB to $100/TB. Honestly, it's ridiculous. And yet the current buzz is all about streaming media with no permanent storage. No matter what your bandwidth, once everyone starts doing that, the usable transfer rate will plummet like a stone. I say: upgrade your HDD and rip, store, and copy all you can. You may not get the chance later.

 

[Azuremen]

If you've grown up with PC's, you tend to be a bit of a hoarder for digital media. Especially as you've seen storage prices drop from $1,000/GB to $100/TB. Honestly, it's ridiculous. And yet the current buzz is all about streaming media with no permanent storage. No matter what your bandwidth, once everyone starts doing that, the usable transfer rate will plummet like a stone. I say: upgrade your HDD and rip, store, and copy all you can. You may not get the chance later.

Bingo. I have tons of storage I've filled and I just go buy more when I can now. I do stream stuff to the PS3, but that is from my desktop. I've got about 400 gigs of media on this computer at the moment, and then there is my external and the other computer as well.

 

[Robin]

Ive decided to go the simple, USB external route for my PS3 and keep the stock 60GB inside... that should be enough for now for stuff which can't go on an external (like demos and such).

Anyone know if you can have those XMB motion thumbnail icons for videos on an external? Like I preprogram them and they show up everytime I connect my external?

Robin

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Ive decided to go the simple, USB external route for my PS3 and keep the stock 60GB inside... that should be enough for now for stuff which can't go on an external (like demos and such).

Anyone know if you can have those XMB motion thumbnail icons for videos on an external? Like I preprogram them and they show up everytime I connect my external?

Those are part of Sony's operating system, and only work for video stored on the internal drive - the same is true for the folder icons with the preview pic of what's inside. The reason external drives have to be formatted to FAT32 is so that both the PS3 and other devices can read the data on them... but it comes at a cost. Not only does it take longer for the PS3 to find files on an external USB drive than on the internal SATA drive, but you also won't have any of the sorting option like, of which there are no many for each type of content, photos, music, and videos. You can't even re-name a file from an external drive without connecting it to a PC and changing it there. You also lose a USB slot for every external hard drive you add.

That said, there are some distinct advantages to using an external drive as well, perhaps no more so that the convenience of simply disconnecting them from the PS3 and taking them where ever you like and connecting them to other devices so you can have access to that content.

These are all reasons why I now use all three methods of viewing content on my PS3 (HDD, external HDs, and DLNA sharing). 👍

 

[Robin]

Those are part of Sony's operating system, and only work for video stored on the internal drive - the same is true for the folder icons with the preview pic of what's inside.

Thats a pity but I guess it makes sense, oh well no big loss. I also have 4 USB slots which is more than enough for what I plug into the PS3. I just hate the way Sony did put a USB out the back, its so annoying and seeing as the concept PS3 had it it just doesnt make sense!

That said, there are some distinct advantages to using an external drive as well, perhaps no more so that the convenience of simply disconnecting them from the PS3 and taking them where ever you like and connecting them to other devices so you can have access to that content.

Thats why I wanted USB, because I want to also use it with my PC and be able to quickly take it anywhere and use it. Like if I go over to a mates to get stuff its way more likely (a given) he is going to have USB rather than esata or something!

Robin.

 

[TB]

Thats why I wanted USB, because I want to also use it with my PC and be able to quickly take it anywhere and use it.

I was more upset that I can put things on the PS3 over the wireless from my laptop but going the other way was a pain. I believe I've seen that PS3 Video 9 can do it, but have never looked into it more than that. Being able to just plug in a USB drive to either the laptop or PS3 is the perfect solution for me.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Thats a pity but I guess it makes sense, oh well no big loss. I also have 4 USB slots which is more than enough for what I plug into the PS3. I just hate the way Sony did put a USB out the back, its so annoying and seeing as the concept PS3 had it it just doesnt make sense!

It wasn't the lack of sense... but rather the large amount of cents.

With so many people complaining and criticizing Sony over the cost of the PS3, long before it ever came out, they had no choice but to leave off some of the nice little extras that while you and I may have really enjoyed, like rear USB ports, and dual HDMI outputs. The reality is that those things cost money, and they are already losing a ridiculous amount of money on every unit they sell in the first place.

Personally speaking though, I always wish they had offered, in addition to the original 20GB & 60GB PS3, but a third one that would be fully loaded with all the inputs and outputs originally conceived. That way those of us that would have found those features very useful and willing to pay for it would be happy, and those griping over the cost could have a stripped down version.

If you have an issue with the lack of those inputs though, take it up with all the early critics that said the PS3 was going to be too expensive.

 

[.star.]

Thats a pity but I guess it makes sense, oh well no big loss. I also have 4 USB slots which is more than enough for what I plug into the PS3. I just hate the way Sony did put a USB out the back, its so annoying and seeing as the concept PS3 had it it just doesnt make sense

Robin.

i have a 60gig......... wtf theres a usb in the back? and i do miss the 4 usb plugs in the front of the newer models. i understand maybe getting rid of card readers and the like but why get rid of the other slots that can be used to plug in an external hdd, charge another controller, and whatever u may use the other for.

 

[TB]

It should read "I just hate the way Sony didn't put a USB out the back".

You can open it up and add one, though.

 

[Robin]

It should read "I just hate the way Sony didn't put a USB out the back".

You can open it up and add one, though.

Yeah ive seen that before, nice mod but I wouldnt not want to hack open my PS3 to do it. I wish they could have some ultra thin gloss black usb strip to plug into the front and fold at right angle round the side of the PS3 (that way it would be hardly noticeable).

It wasn't the lack of sense... but rather the large amount of cents.

I wasnt talking about the dual HDMI ports or the built in ethernet router seen on the concept. I just meant just moving 1 or 2 USB ports to the back from the front. That would have cost NOTHING to do!

Robin.

 

[Sureboss]

I presume I can use my PS3 to back up college work files on? Simple transfer via USB stick would work?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I wasnt talking about the dual HDMI ports or the built in ethernet router seen on the concept.

Right, but you were talking about the original PS3 design concept, which had those as well, and I mentioned them because these were additional features I had hoped to have, just like you expressed the hope of having the USB ports on the back.

I just meant just moving 1 or 2 USB ports to the back from the front. That would have cost NOTHING to do!

Everything costs money, including placing pairs of USB ports on the opposite side of the case from each other, especially when you are talking about millions of units and critics complaining about the cost of everything. I'm certainly not disagreeing with you that it would have been nice. And for purely selfish reasons I would have much preferred to have two or even four ports in the rear due to my specific set-up.

However, I would also definitely want at least a couple in the front for things like the Buzz controllers, Singstar microphones, USB thumb drives, and other USB attachment that I wouldn't necessarily want connected all the time... which is likely the opinion of most users, which is why the decisions was made to keep them in the front.


And on that note...

You can open it up and add one, though.

That's awesome! I have never seen that before. I may very well have to give that a shot. Thanks for posting it! 👍

I have been tempted to run a USB extension port out to the rear of my PS3, as I already have more than 8 different devices that I connect to our PS3, some which I would just as well have connected at all times, like the two external hard drives, PS Eye, USB dongle for the wireless keyboard, and at least one USB charging cable to use for any of the controllers and BT headsets that are running low.

We also use a USB port for the dongle that communicates with the Buzz! Quiz controllers, and we also use the Singstar microphones quite often which need a USB port, but I don't keep them plugged in all the time. I also will use a USB thumb drive on occasions to quickly view or transfer files.

Frankly, if the PS3 had 8 ports I could easily fill them up.

I presume I can use my PS3 to back up college work files on? Simple transfer via USB stick would work?

What do you mean by "files"? Databases? Spread sheets? Documents? Then no. At least not with the XMB sysytem software. Now perhaps you could if you installed Yellow Dog Linux, but why would you even want to copy such documents to a PS3? If you are only looking for a hard drive to back up files from your PC, why not just use a simple cheap external hard drive? If the files don't take up much space, you could even just use a $10 thumb drive.

However, if you are planning on installing Yellow Dog Linux, here are some helpful links:

• Official Instructions found in Sony's System Software User's Guide
• Pako's Guide and Experiences Installing and using Yellow Dog Linux