PS3 General Discussion

[Joey D]

Joey, i know you can't see this, but please stop thinking people are attacking you simply because they disagree with you.

I didn't say I was being attacked, I said words were being put into my mouth to change what my original point was. Someone can disagree with me all the like but I expect them to at least read what I wrote and do it in a respectful manner. Trying to make me sound like a PS3-hating-360-fanboy is a bit uncalled for.

This whole thing would have been avoided if a couple posters would have realised I was talking solely about the PS3 not including a headset or HDMI cable, nothing more nothing less.

And yes I can see that, and I'm a little annoyed that you are insinuating I can't.

 

[TB]

I personally have never seen a HDMI for $5 and I would probably go for something costing slightly more than that (yes I know it makes little to no difference).

monoprice is your friend - $4.74 USD. I have two of them and they work flawlessly.

Edit:

And yes I can see that, and I'm a little annoyed that you are insinuating I can't.

I think he is assuming that you have him on your ignore list.

 

[Robin]

I don't think the PS3 is the cheapest Blu-ray player any more, doing a quick Google shopping search brought up Blu-ray players under $200 now. However, I still believe the PS3 is the only updateable Blu-ray player on the market, but I don't know that for sure.

Ok, maybe not cheapest but 'best' interms of the quality for the price and the fact you can update it... well, you know what I mean.

Maybe for some people. I have many more non-forum sourced friends with PS3's than i do who own 360's. With the fairly limited amount of PS3 games around it also means that those PS3 friends generally have a large amount of the same games that i have too.

Its the opposite with me, hadly any of my mates have PS3's and they all sight the same three reasons...

1. Its too expensive..
2. Its got no good games (or rather it hasnt got Gears )...
3. No one has one, everyone has a 360 so its better for online...

Al this reminds me of the PS3 public display of affection video contest winning entry (not available on youtube anymore)...it was exactly the advert Sony need to put on the TV period!

Robin.

 

[Touring Mars]

Thus far, I have failed to persuade anyone to buy a PS3... three mates who recently bought consoles went for the Xbox 360 (a previous Xbox owner), the Wii (first console ever, just had a kid) and another got a 360 ages ago but recently replaced it with a Wii. That said, I'm not all that unhappy about it, since now we have all three between us, and we probably wouldn't be playing online games against each other much anyway...

 

[GT4 genius]

I've convinced a few, although MGS4 help hugely with one and another liked what he seen on my PS3 and kind of understood that the 360 would cost extra. Although I still see people everyday saying how cheap the Xbox 360 is but with no real idea of all the costs, but they're still buying 360s for their kids and husbands or whatever. And when you mention blu-ray to most people you're met with a blank expression, the either dont know what it is or think that normal dvds are at perfect quality and dont want any better.

 

[LaBounti]

My Friends dont make as much as me so they scrape up change and hustle their way to owning a 360 arcade system. So convincing my friends is a waste of time. My brother just got a Ps3 after waiting 2 years . I honestly would pay $600 to buy a launch 60GB system if mine were to fail,( *Knock on wood ). I sold my 360 for $150 a year ago and only once did i think about getting another one until i remembered why i sold id in the first place, Xbox Live. I also do not like the wireless controller and changing/charging batteries for it. Dual Shock is easily a better value than the 360 controller. $54 and you dont need to buy anything else.

Wi Fi is the only way for me to get internet right now and i never though i would use until last may. I do miss Project Gotham 3 and Test Drive. Forza 2 is overrated imo, not a fan of gaining levels to buy cars. Track list was pitiful for a high profile racing game.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I didn't say I was being attacked, I said words were being put into my mouth to change what my original point was. Someone can disagree with me all the like but I expect them to at least read what I wrote and do it in a respectful manner. Trying to make me sound like a PS3-hating-360-fanboy is a bit uncalled for.

This whole thing would have been avoided if a couple posters would have realised I was talking solely about the PS3 not including a headset or HDMI cable, nothing more nothing less.

But Joey your original point was wrong, as you failed to realize that it was the arcade version that was being compared... if you had at least read what FK wrote you would have known it was the arcade 360 which DOESNT come with an HDMI cable or a headset... thus you would have prevented this "whole thing"... so why are you blaming "a couple posters" for simply pointing out your mistake and posting actual facts?

And I don't know what "couple posters" you are reffering to and I certainly was not putting any words in your mouth. I quoted you directly, and used your own words and logic to show that not only what you posted was incorrect, but that it downplayed the differences by not telling the whole story, and saying the comparison was seriously biased, when in fact the actual facts and figures show the cost difference on an apples to apples comparison can easily be far greater than what Sony even listed, even when compared to any of the 360 models, including the Elite.

I'm not attacking you Joey, I'm only posting facts related to the topic.

On a personal level, I very much appreciate your participation and reading your opinions about things, especially when you are sharing facts that help clarify a discussion. 👍

 

[Scaff]

I don't think the PS3 is the cheapest Blu-ray player any more, doing a quick Google shopping search brought up Blu-ray players under $200 now. However, I still believe the PS3 is the only updateable Blu-ray player on the market, but I don't know that for sure.

Nope plenty of BR players can be updated these days, any machine that is Profile 2.0 out of the box will be and a lot of the more recent Profile 1.1 player can be updated as well (many to Profile 2.0).

What the PS3 is (in BR player terms) is one of the most fully featured and fastest loading players on the market, pleanty are (as you say) cheaper. However a good number of those cheaper ones are a lot slower to load films and most are Profile 1.1.

Thus far, I have failed to persuade anyone to buy a PS3... three mates who recently bought consoles went for the Xbox 360 (a previous Xbox owner), the Wii (first console ever, just had a kid) and another got a 360 ages ago but recently replaced it with a Wii. That said, I'm not all that unhappy about it, since now we have all three between us, and we probably wouldn't be playing online games against each other much anyway...

I've so far managed to convince four friends to get PS3's, all without a great deal of trying; and like The Cracker I actually have more friends with PS3's than 360's.


Regards

Scaff

 

[FoolKiller]

Wow, it sparked off a debate that I think got a bit too argumentative.

First, let me say that for my needs (cable modem in a completely other room) this chart specifically describes my situation when I look at getting a 360. My options are WiFi adapter or drill holes to run probably 50ft of cables, probably closer to 100ft if I want to keep it hidden.

Now to address the conversation going on. I have been looking at 360s and this info is based off of my regional observations.

That's not exactly true since you need to buy an HDMI cable and a headset for the PS3 so you do need to purchase extra add ons. And since we are talking about a store you would easily be looking at a pretty hefty price to get an HDMI cable.

You can also argue not everyone needs WiFi, but in my case, I do. And as I believe someone else said the Arcade does not have a headset either. The Arcade starter kit (or whatever its called) comes with a headset, hard drive, and XBL card, if I remember correctly.

On the same token, you do not need HDMI or headset for PS3. But if you did the difference is that it does not require proprietary Sony made products that are over-priced. The 360 does (with the exception of, locally, hard to find WiFi adapters - and HDMI cables, of course). So, it could be assumed that most consumers who know the information provided in this chart would also know enough to look for deals on headsets and HDMI cables. And if they have a PS2 USB headset, that still works. Heck, most any USB camera with a mic will work, including the 360 webcam. Bluetooth is a bonus, not a requirement.

Also, there are now three games bundled with headsets: SOCOM, Warhawk, and Endwar. Endwar is the only bundle priced above $60. So, for people like me the headset comes along at the usual standard game price. I got the Warhawk bundle and did not even flinch at the cost difference from the stand-alone title, because it was no more than a usual game price.

@FoolKiller: Finally Sony are publicising these facts, I've been saying this to my friends who are considering consoles for ages now, although your right they need to get this information into an add campaign, ideally before Christmas but its a bit late for that now!

A bit of advertising this info would help counter the "Now for just $199" ads the 360 has out.

As the article admits, the chart is pretty biased: nobody would spec out that Xbox 360 configuration starting with an Arcade set.

So, what do we start with? A 60GB pro? OK, $299, plus $100 WiFi adapter, plus $50 Internet. $449. Still the same price. See, this works just fine because the price difference between the Arcade and other models is basically just the cost of the add-on hard drive. Whether you start with a hard drive or add a hard drive your end cost will be the same.

And before someone brings up the $20 coupon deal: the new Arcades come with internal memory, and a friend of mine recently discovered that negates the coupon deal, as it is for models with no internal memory.

I think it's pretty stupid how they make the Wii have a 'Not Available' Hard Drive when:

A) It has built in Flash Memory
B) Can take SD Cards.

Does 512MB count any more? I have 4 times that on my keyring. That's like saying the Commodore 64 had internal storage and a floppy drive you had to buy separately.

And the PS3 can read any USB drive, including ones that hold more than 2GB (the Wii's SD card limit). Does that count too?

Also, what do they mean by 'Limited' Online Gaming Service for the Wii? As far as I'm aware it's no more limited than the PS3, in that it's only limited by the game maker.

The first online game I had for my Wii came out a year after I had my Wii. It is limited in the same way PS3 trophy and in-game music support is limited.


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But if you got a Wii, add me. My user name is.....oh wait....61...no. Shoot, I'll have to go find my 16 digit friend code. You need to get yours too, because it only works if we both go through this convoluted process.

If I wanted to do data entry I would still be working the job my uncle gave me at his engineering firm when I was 16.
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Still though the arcade is a royal joke. If you've done minimal research, such as typing in "Xbox 360 Arcade" into Google, you will see it's a bad buy. Sony is rather thick if they think they should be comparing the two. I mean I can make anything look good if I compare the top of line X to the bottom of the barrel Y.

Which is top of the line? These are both entry level systems. This is apples to apples, and is the same comparison Microsoft keeps making when they say that the Arcade is half the price of the cheapest PS3. And as I pointed out earlier in this post, an upgraded 360 model also has the upgraded price of the add-on. There would be little, if any, price difference if this was based on better models.

All I'm saying is that for a salesmen to say you need nothing else besides what comes in the PS3's box is false, because at the very least you need an HDMI cable to use the system to it's abilities.

Sony isn't saying that either, as both systems could be taken home as is. What this is doing is countering the Microsoft comments regarding the Arcade being half the price of the cheapest PS3 by showing that the price difference is built-in to the PS3 at a better value than an equivalent 360 would be.


I admit that the HDMI Output - Not available in earlier models is pointless. Sony should add in BC and force feedback to the chart if they want to discuss added and lost features.

It's a terribly biased press release.

Um, yeah. That is what marketing does. But none of it is untrue.

Yeah it seems the release is slightly over the top and im sure the prices are RRP (you can get a 360 in the real world for less than that!).

Uh, if it isn't based on MSRP, or whatever then what are they supposed to base it on? Every sale is different. Every bundle different. I could easily say that with a PlayStation or Sony Style credit card you can get a PS3 for $150 (or could before Christmas).

Here is a stupid question (or possibly a brilliant idea)...

Has anyone thought about creating an online multiplayer game for the PS3 that can be played through the web browser? The browser supports Flash now, so it wouldn't be too hard to create some sort of Flash game that could be played in that way.

I'm thinking RPGs here, but there could also be other types of games similar to those on the PSN network that could be created. Obviously the game in question isn't going to be Killzone or GT5, but there is scope to create some great games if there was the will, because there is certainly the way!

What do you guys think?

None multiplayer that I know of but what about these:
http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/games/recent/month/Playstation 3/flash/

Oh, and a site devoted solely to it is in development.
http://ps3flashgames.com/

Minor factual correction: The PS3 browser always supported Flash (at least since I bought mine), it just got an upgrade recently.

These sites have been out for the Wii and PS3 browser based games from the beginning. It's just that people don't see the point.

And with a keyboard and mouse connected then it likely doesn't even need to be designed for the PS3. But outside of social networking sites (Home?) I don't know of many multiplayer Flash games.

The Wii's inbuilt memory is 512mb which is very limiting (particulalry since the realease of the Wii store and Wiiware).

It does take SD cards, but games can't be played directly off them, you need to transfer them to and from the internal memory and quite frankly its a PITA.

They are working on a fix for this as Rock Band and Guitar Hero need to allow the DLC to work properly, and the Wii Ware issue you mentioned has been raised for a while now.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/02/nintendos-wii-storage-solution-load-from-sd-cards-coming-spri/

The number of games that support on-line games is tiny, the fiunctionality of those that do is very poor, friends codes are totaly unfriendly, chat is limited to one title (and that comes bundeled with the mic - which sits on top of your TV).

You can buy the mic separately for general non-in-game chat.

I don't think the PS3 is the cheapest Blu-ray player any more, doing a quick Google shopping search brought up Blu-ray players under $200 now.

It isn't now, but it is the cheapest comparable BD player with BD 2.0 and live Internet connection, complete with BD Live capabilities.

However, I still believe the PS3 is the only updateable Blu-ray player on the market, but I don't know that for sure.

No, some do connect via Ethernet, and my in-laws recently had to update their firmware and it was done via a handy USB port, via thumb drive, in the back.

And it looks like Giantbomb agrees, although they appear to prefer a delicious ham sandwich over all consoles.
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/26/855758-xboxisfornerds.png

 

[hamstrings]

And before someone brings up the $20 coupon deal: the new Arcades come with internal memory, and a friend of mine recently discovered that negates the coupon deal, as it is for models with no internal memory.

The Arcades get their own special deal. $29 gets you a refurb 20 GB drive and three months of Live Gold. My main beef with the chart is that the audience that the Arcade model caters to would not try to match a PS3 as closely as possible, including the 100 GB hard drive upgrade. The savvy could even roll their own wireless-wired bridge for $60. The Arcade is meant to be more accessible, much like the original 20 GB PS3.

Sure, you could do the drive upgrade, but you would be out the other stuff that comes with the regular unit: a headset, a networking cable, and a component output cable.

As I understand it from people's opinions on the net about paying for Xbox Live Gold, that $50 gets an improved multiplayer experience over the PS3. I still see great potential in Home, but I don't hear about people feeling ripped off by annual subscriptions to Gold to get what we're getting "for free".

I learned a lot about the Xbox 360 as a result of you posting that chart though. 👍

 

[FoolKiller]

My main beef with the chart is that the audience that the Arcade model caters to would not try to match a PS3 as closely as possible, including the 100 GB hard drive upgrade. The savvy could even roll their own wireless-wired bridge for $60. The Arcade is meant to be more accessible, much like the original 20 GB PS3.

Right, what you actually need determines which is the better value. And I will admit to being utterly amazed at the number of people with wired Internet connections in their living room, or who have a dedicated game room.

Me, I am a tech geek, and at $600 I still think my PS3 was a better deal than the 360 Arcade now.

As I understand it from people's opinions on the net about paying for Xbox Live Gold, that $50 gets an improved multiplayer experience over the PS3.

Which I don't get. I have played on both and I don't see the difference. If I get a 360 I will spend many days debating with myself over the cost of Gold.

I learned a lot about the Xbox 360 as a result of you posting that chart though. 👍

Which one, the official one or the Giant Bomb one?

 

[hamstrings]

The official one

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I don't hear about people feeling ripped off by annual subscriptions to Gold to get what we're getting "for free".

If you checked out any of the official and unofficial Xbox 360 forums you would find countless threads complaining about the cost and occasionally even the service.

Just read what Cesar Berardini (chief editor at Team Xbox) has to say on the subject... and that was nearly two years ago when PSN was still in its infancy:

• AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH

Let alone all the other serious technical issues that have and continue to plague millions of 360s.

None of this goes without saying that despite all this, a properly working 360 provides for some excellent gaming experiences, and XBL does allow for audio chat between friends playing different games. PSN currently only allows for text messages between friends while playing different games.


Going back to doing a proper apples to apples comparison though:

So, it looks like Sony is laying out some truth in a press release.


Too bad no one will notice.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/07/playstation-press-release-breaks-down-the-real-price-of-consoles

PlayStation press release breaks down the real price of consoles
Posted Jan 7th 2009 9:30PM by Andrew Yoon
Filed under: News

SCEA has just sent out a press release detailing what readers of this blog already know. Although PS3 is an expensive machine, it's a better value than the other competing systems. In a press release called "Keeping Entertainment Simple," the company showed this chart showing all the things you get in the PS3 that you can't in other systems. Yes, it's a biased chart, but it's the kind of information that SCEA should spread in the first place. Imagine if they put this info in a retail store? Perhaps more consumers would think kindly of Sony's black box.

They should have a TV ad where someone goes to purchase a 360 and the guy in the store asks if they want to download add-ons and games, then if they want it hooked up WiFi, and offers them an XBL one year pre-paid card, then rings them up to a tune of $449. The person then glances over and sees a PS3 for $399 and asks how much extra the add-ons for it are and he says, "You don't need any."

In the interest of clarity, I thought I would start a far more detailed comparison chart between all five current models of PS3s and 360s. Interestingly enough, an equally equipped Arcade 360 is actually a slightly better deal than an Elite, or at worst case, just about the same value.

However, all the 360 models equally equipped to match PS3 models also equally equipped not only are nearly twice the cost of the PS3, and that's not even including the cost of XBL for every account and for the length of time they subscribe to it, but even then, as seen in this spreadsheet, they still lack a tremendous amount of features available on the PS3.

 

[FoolKiller]

D-N, I may be wrong, but I think the 360 can access multi-regional accounts and the camera may have a mic.

I have heard people say they have extra silver XBL acounts for other regions, and others say they use the 360 camera as a microphone on the PS3.

I haven't investigated myself, so this is purely word-of-mouth.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

D-N, I may be wrong, but I think the 360 can access multi-regional accounts. I have heard people say they have extra silver XBL acounts for other regions,

If true, this is news to me, and if so I'll be glad to remove that. If we can get come type of confirmation of this that would be great. Also, how many Silver accounts are you allowed to have on a 360?

the camera may have a mic, others say they use the 360 camera as a microphone on the PS3.

If so, MS doesn't list it in the description, features, or specs. Come to think of it, unlike the PS Eye, I don't belive it has a zoom lens either.

• Official Listing
• Wiki Listing

There is also no sign of any mic on it:

The array of mics on the PS Eye are easy to spot...

 

[ChadSpeed]

I've convinced a few, although MGS4 help hugely with one and another liked what he seen on my PS3 and kind of understood that the 360 would cost extra. Although I still see people everyday saying how cheap the Xbox 360 is but with no real idea of all the costs, but they're still buying 360s for their kids and husbands or whatever. And when you mention blu-ray to most people you're met with a blank expression, the either dont know what it is or think that normal dvds are at perfect quality and dont want any better.

I know the 360 cost $50 for the XBL sub, but that is really the only thing most gamers need to purchase after buying a Pro or Elite. On second thought I did have to buy some cat5 cable to run to it, but also did that for the PS3. So overall you end up spending $50 a year forever on the 360 and $0 on the PS3. That in itself is a great argument for the PS3.

However with Blu-Ray, its still not a must have for EVERYONE, like DVD still is. I only buy BR now but still enjoy the occasional HD DL movie on my 360. This area is a bit closer but still Sony has an advantage here too.

I recently told my Brother in-law, that wanted to buy either a PS3 or a 360 for the family room, that if he was going to get into online gaming like his brother is than go with a 360, but if not the PS3 will give him better use of his HDTV and he can play online/surf the net for free.

I love all 3 of my consoles, but all for different reasons, they are all fun. One is great at online, the other has killer titles like GT and MGS, and the other is fun for the family.👍

 

[magburner]

So, it looks like Sony is laying out some truth in a press release.

Too bad no one will notice.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/07/playstation-press-release-breaks-down-the-real-price-of-consoles

Yes too bad no one will notice, because this is not the first time Sony have tried this stunt. Check out this remarkably similar comparison from 2006:

Sony claims Xbox 360 requires HD DVD, etc., thus costs $700

Sony need to stop this kind of nonsense propaganda, its inaccurate and pointless. These are the kind of tricks I expect M$ to pull, not Sony. Besides, none of those add-ons are mandatory to play 360 games. They are mandatory for the purpose of this pointless comparison, but not for playing games.

None multiplayer that I know of but what about these:
http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/games/recent/month/Playstation 3/flash/

Oh, and a site devoted solely to it is in development.
http://ps3flashgames.com/

Thanks for the link to the PS3 flash games site, I will keep an eye on that! 👍

Now this is what I'm talking about! Killzone HD trailer My faith is almost restored, just deliver it as promised on the date promised and I'll be the loyal fanboy I always was! 👍

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

And when you mention blu-ray to most people you're met with a blank expression, the either dont know what it is or think that normal dvds are at perfect quality and dont want any better.

Although similar sentiment was expressed by doubters when DVD first came out... and as pointed out by FK recently, Blu-ray sales have far surpassed what many had predicted due to the cost, limited titles, similarities to DVD, and the lack of HDTVs in the majority of consumer's homes. However, that has changed quite a lot in just the last couple years.

It is time to put any doubters oin Blu-Ray's acceptance rate to rest. It has been faster than DVD.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/06/blu-rays-first-two-years-outpaces-dvds/

Blu-ray's first two years outpaces DVD's
by Ben Drawbaugh, posted Jan 6th 2009 at 2:13PM

The success of DVD is the kind that consumer electronics manufactures dreamed of, and now after two years after the introduction of Blu-ray, it appears to be gaining steam even faster -- and during the worst economic crisis of our time. According to Richard Greenfield of Pali Capital, in two years there were about 1.2 million DVD players sold, whereas Blu-ray stand-alone player sales are estimated to be at 2.5 million -- no this doesn't include PS3s which are expected to be at 8 million. Of course choosing between a $129 DVD upconverter and a $199 Blu-ray player isn't that hard of a choice, but paying 30 percent more for a movie is. The news here isn't bad for Blu-ray either as it has managed to almost double its market share of the top 20 titles in the past six months. We have a feeling the members on the panel at the BDA press conference this Thursday at 7pm EST -- which we'll be covering live -- will have a few things to smile about.

In fact, this recent heated topic about the true cost of these consoles and the importance and cost of HDMI cable makes me recall the many posts in this thread, and especially in the 360 forum on GTP about how they strongly felt that it was a waste of money for Sony to include an HDMI output, and were perfectly happy that their 360 did not come with one... and MS pretty much felt the same way.

Fast forward a couple years and now they chastise Sony for not including a $5 HDMI cable, but gladly mention the fact that the Elite 360 has one included.

More importantly I see the same names now talking about how great HDMI is. Makes you feel bad for those that bought one of the 15 million or more 360s that didn't even come with any digital video output, let alone HDMI.

 

[ChadSpeed]

If so, MS doesn't list it in the description, features, or specs. Come to think of it, unlike the PS Eye, I don't belive it has a zoom lens either.

It does have a zoom lens DN. Nothing special but cool for making your in game character in RB6.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

It does have a zoom lens DN. Nothing special but cool for making your in game character in RB6.

Good to know, thanks! 👍

Besides, none of those add-ons are mandatory to play 360 games. They are mandatory for the purpose of this pointless comparison, but not for playing games.

That's incorrect. Many people want to play games online, and plan to do so for at least three or more years. That alone makes the 360 more expensive. Add on the fact that many people do not have a modem in the same room as their console, and do not want to buy and run a long Ethernet cable through their house. Thus, they have to buy a $100 WiFi adapter. Add to the fact that many people may need a larger HDD to store games they download from XBL among other things.

So again,

The truth is though, unless you don't want to ever play online, play games or movies on Blu-ray, browse the web, use your console as a full featured multi-media device, use more than 256MB of disc space, replace your HDD with any 3rd party HDD, use Bluetooth, headsets, use WiFi, use a premium wheel like the G25... then yes, the $200 360 arcade is a great value, and it's great that MS at least gives that as an option. 👍

However, based on MS's and Sony's own numbers of those who are paying for XBL and using PSN, and downloading games, content, and movies, clearly many do want to play online, and yes, even use their consoles for more than just playing games.

So clearly these comparisons are meaningful, just not to you.

 

[magburner]

However, based on MS's and Sony's own numbers of those who are paying for XBL and using PSN, and downloading games, content, and movies, clearly many do want to play online, and yes, even use their consoles for more than just playing games.

I agree with you on that one. My PS3 is more often used as a media server rather than a games console.

So clearly these comparisons are meaningful, just not to you.

Me, and the 27 million 360 fanboys then. Also, these prices are only relevant in the US, in the UK, its totally different. The PS3 is Clearly more expensive than the 360. Even the 360 Elite with all the gubbins (hdd, headset, hdmi, wireless controller, 2x games) is still around £30 cheaper than a stock PS3 40GB! Maybe us Brits are subsidising the 'big sell' in the US!

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Also, these prices are only relevant in the US, in the UK, its totally different.

No, they are relevant to the UK as well. Don't just assume something, go ahead and look up the exact figures from Amazon UK or from Microsoft and you'll quite clearly see that even there, apples to apples, the 360 is significantly more expensive.

The PS3 is Clearly more expensive than the 360.

Only if you don't play online or buy any of the items listed before to come close to matching what the PS3 offers for free.

Even the 360 Elite with all the gubbins (hdd, headset, hdmi, wireless controller, 2x games) is still around £30 cheaper than a stock PS3 40GB!

And just one year of XBL for £40 wipes that out.

And even the mighty Elite still won't play Blu-ray movies, browse the web, among many other things. And game related, if you want to charge your controller while playing, that's another £15.

 

[LaBounti]

Hey the PS3 still has built in Wi-Fi, Bluray and the 2 games are what now? Lego Indian Jones and Kung Fu Panda? Well in the U.S. it is. Oh yeah there aren't 27million Xbox fanboys I'm sure more than 60% are not fanboys and many are Arcade SKu's. Also Micrsoft counts the systems they replace. And I'm pretty sure the RROD has killed off 5% or less of the shipped 360's. They dont subtract from their sales when a few million systems break.

 

[Sureboss]

My view is simple on 360 vs PS3. I brought a 360 first, because it was cheaper. It lasted 30 minutes before dying. Got refund, 18 months later, buy PS3. No signs of wear after what must be about 60-70 hours use. The fact MS sell the 360 without the things that take it up to a PS3 helps the 360 sales, a lot of people don't realise the difference.

 

[Paulie]

Does anyone know when the pre-paid PSN cards will be coming to Australia? I really need a method of paying for DLC but without pre-paid PSN cards I have nothing. If nobody knows, does anybody know how I can get in contact with Sony's Playstation division?

 

[Dead_Poetic]

Guys, my ps3 died last night!!! The yellow light. I just dont get how anything could be wrong with it, I was just playing guitar hero, perfectly fine no freeze ups or anything and then it just cut off. I always keep it ventilated and plugged into a surge protector. I really don't see how anything could really be wrong with it, but its gone for sure.

 

[hamstrings]

Call Sony, especially if it's still under warranty. Remember to be firm but polite.

 

[BroncosXR8]

Yeah mine died a week ago. Not the yellow light though.
I have a thread in the PS3 forum here that explain what I did and what sonyare doing for me. Mine was a good experience (so far, I dont have it back yet).

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=113427

 

[magburner]

No, they are relevant to the UK as well. Don't just assume something, go ahead and look up the exact figures from Amazon UK or from Microsoft and you'll quite clearly see that even there, apples to apples, the 360 is significantly more expensive.

I didn't assume anything! I looked in Game (a major UK games retailer), and compared the prices:

Xbox 360 bundles

PS3 bundles

The differences in pricing stark - the 360 is clearly the most economical system. But, I think that this is to do with M$'s strategy. Playstation is a bigger brand in Europe than in the US, and vice versa for the 360. So whilst Sony is trying to woo the US market, I think that M$ is doing the exact same thing in Europe.

And just one year of XBL for £40 wipes that out.

Even though it costs to get online with the 360, it is STILL outselling the PS3, so what does that tell you?

And even the mighty Elite still won't play Blu-ray movies, browse the web, among many other things. And game related, if you want to charge your controller while playing, that's another £15.

I agree with you 100% on this, and it is the main reason for my exasperation! How can a vastly superior system be lagging in sales compared to a (once) shoddily made system? The PS3 is the ONLY true next-gen console, it has power and promise, but its the promise that gets my goat, I want the promise, not the hype!

Instead of doing M$ tricks, Sony should be going about it the situation in a different way. The new features in Home are much needed, and this years games releases are definite system sellers (Killzone 2 being the one to watch). I understand Sony's position about getting everything perfect, and its a very good position to be in, but whislt they are lining everything up, the rest of the market is flying off in the distance. I have faith in the final victory, but at the moment, it seems a little ambiguous, and a long way off!

I've also bitten the bullet and invested another £600 in the PS3. I brought a couple of games over the Christmas period, and I've just ordered a Hi-def monitor, maybe that will spark my interest in the PS3 again because I am really looking forward to playing games in Hi-def (something I have not done since I got the PS3 at launch!)

Guys, my ps3 died last night!!! The yellow light. I just dont get how anything could be wrong with it, I was just playing guitar hero, perfectly fine no freeze ups or anything and then it just cut off. I always keep it ventilated and plugged into a surge protector. I really don't see how anything could really be wrong with it, but its gone for sure.

I'm om my second PS3 myself. The first died a horrible death after showing a BSoD - I thought BSoDs were M$ line of expertise!

 

[Sureboss]

360 outselling the PS3?

There's a big reason why MS have drastically cut cost and have made many features optional extras. It's because customers don't do product research. All to do with Marketing, the 5p's (Promotion, Place, Price, Product and Packaging). Given the economic climate as well, people see the price and go for it because of that.

Technically, there is no comparison. PS3 is better, this isn't fanboy post either. I'd given up on PS3s because of the price, brought a 360 and it lasted 30-40 minutes before dying. You get what you pay for in most industries, next gen consoles are no different.