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All to do with Marketing, the 5p's (Promotion, Place, Price, Product and Packaging).
Ahh, the good old days of GCSE Business Studies!
All to do with Marketing, the 5p's (Promotion, Place, Price, Product and Packaging).
360 outselling the PS3?
Technically, there is no comparison. PS3 is better, this isn't fanboy post either. I'd given up on PS3s because of the price, brought a 360 and it lasted 30-40 minutes before dying. You get what you pay for in most industries, next gen consoles are no different.
The 360 has 23.37 million units sold worldwide while the PS3 has 19.46 million units sold worldwide.
RobinAhh, the good old days of GCSE Business Studies!
The problem with those figures is that the 360 had a year head start so its not a comparison over the same amount of time available to sell. As a result ofcourse the PS3 figure would be lower because it would take some crazy selling to make up an extra years worth of numbers.
Robin.
Not completely dismissing the 360, it's a decent machine, but they work in different ways. Both are sold in different ways too. Sony had to remove some features to cut costs, MS sell machines with and without some of the features. The 360 is good, but I know what I would/did spend my money on. Things like PSN being free, people say XBL is better, I can't say, never used it, but would I want to keep spending £40 a year for on-line gaming? No, I wouldn't. It's not a huge part of my gaming experience. I use PSN infrequently for online gaming. Mainly for having my tag for the WRS and occasionally for playing GTA IV, so for me PSN being free is an advantage, as I wouldn't use a paid service. The wi-fi bit of the PS3 is another great addition too. So simple to set-up, practically noob proof.
I think it's a shame that because you disagree with someone's opinion you put them on the ignore list. For me, I'm as much interest, if not more so, with the people whose opinion differs from mine.
I had no intentions to ever belittle you, Joey, if it came across like that, then apologies.
I didn't assume anything! I looked in Game (a major UK games retailer), and compared the prices:
The differences in pricing stark - the 360 is clearly the most economical system.
But, I think that this is to do with M$'s strategy. Playstation is a bigger brand in Europe than in the US, and vice versa for the 360. So whilst Sony is trying to woo the US market, I think that M$ is doing the exact same thing in Europe.
Still??? Read the above response... your facts are wrong.Even though it costs to get online with the 360, it is STILL outselling the PS3, so what does that tell you?
I agree with you 100% on this, and it is the main reason for my exasperation! How can a vastly superior system be lagging in sales compared to a (once) shoddily made system? The PS3 is the ONLY true next-gen console, it has power and promise, but its the promise that gets my goat, I want the promise, not the hype!
The problem with those figures is that the 360 had a year head start so its not a comparison over the same amount of time available to sell. As a result of course the PS3 figure would be lower because it would take some crazy selling to make up an extra years worth of numbers.
Robin.
The Sony cheerleaders on this site are a bit ridiculous, yes I fully agree the PS3 is the better system in many ways but to completely dismiss anything 360 is just, well, lame. This is sad too, because many of the people that do this I once respected, now they just enter the ignore list.
What you and perhaps a small handful of others would apparently have us believe is that because the total worldwide units is more and because the last few weeks the 360 has outsold the PS3, that it's doom and gloom for the PS3... yet that only tells one small fraction of the story... not to mention the simple fact that the 360 had a nearly 10 million unit head start... of which it has lost quite a bit of ground because despite the recent sales jump in 360s, it's still well below the PS3's over all sales rate.
I agree! I though I was a fanboy, but compared to some here, I feel like a casual gamer! Even though I've owned every Playsation from day one, and probably spent upwards of £10K on Sony products over the years!
I know I have bashed M$, but to tell you the truth, my orginal Xbox gets more play than my PS3. I like a few things that M$ have done with the 360, but fear of the RRoD has put me off that system. All these Sony delays are making me serioulsy re-consider that descision though.
Like I have said previously, I have faith in Sony's vision, but waiting for that vision to become reality is getting on my nerves. I might as well get a 360 and Forza 2, because it seems now that GT5 (the reason I brought my PS3 in the first place), has been delayed yet again!
The Sony cheerleaders on this site are a bit ridiculous, yes I fully agree the PS3 is the better system in many ways but to completely dismiss anything 360 is just, well, lame. This is sad too, because many of the people that do this I once respected, now they just enter the ignore list.
Who is being belittled and how? If they say things that are untrue or exaggerated, and someone posts facts that show that to be true... if they feel belittled for that so be it, but that's on them to change not those that correct their misleading or false info.I think it's a shame to constantly belittle people because they don't prefer the PS3. I almost feel like I can't post anything concerning the 360 in the console debate without either being called a fanboy or told how much the 360 sucks or even worse having numerous people blow it so far out of proportion that it becomes laughable (look at the last page or two).
I'm not attacking you Joey, I'm only posting facts related to the topic.
On a personal level, I very much appreciate your participation and reading your opinions about things, especially when you are sharing facts that help clarify a discussion. 👍
The only thing ridiculous is your gross exaggerations - enough already!
Who here has ever completely dismissed the 360? Be specific, other wise your either lying or grossly exaggerating!
Heck, I have on countless times come to its defense when people have posted false facts about the 360.
How are you being belittled? If you say things that are untrue or exaggerated, and someone posts facts that show that to be true... if you feel belittled for that so be it, but that's on you to change not them.
The problem Joey is some people post things that are either misleading, exaggerated or simply not true, and when actual facts are then brought up they react negatively, accused of being attacked.
What's laughable, nay tragic, is to dismiss facts, or ignore those that do not support your personal opinion/preference based on a personal bias... doing so is how I would define a fanboy.
..just look at every EA game made in the past few years. All rushed and for the most part all worse then what they should have been.
Just the ones they make. Dead Space is a pretty good game. I do agree, though. I've retired from pc gaming even though i have a gaming laptop. I'd rather spend my cash buying games and not worrying about upgrading my system. Plus consoles offer more good games IMO. My PC DX9, is used heavily for emulation and classics. My Laptop DX10, for everything else +emus.
I wouldn't call D-N a cheerleader, hes more like its agent. You know, the one who only gives you the facts, dismissing false claims or subjects taken out of context or ignoring more meaningful facts. A cheerleader just chants/rants about being "number one" regardless of the score.
Are you really sure you want me to go back and quote every post you made that was untrue or misleading in this thread and in the 360 threads? Seriously, is that really what you want me to do, or shall we let sleeping dogs rest?What have I posted that is untrue or misleading?
It is a fact that the 360 has sold more unit worldwide, which I even posted a link to a source for. It is a fact that the PS3 does not come with any means to have it do High Def out of the box. It is a fact the PS3 does not come with a headset. These are all of the claims I have made, which none of are untrue, misleading, or false.
Frankly I feel belittled when you or any other member tells me I'm posting things that are untrue when they are not. I admitted I misread FoolKillers first post and I will admit when I am wrong most of the time.
Again, this is more of the same misleading posts from you. There are bundles at retail stores that include HDMI cable, there are retail stores that do not charge as hefty of a premium as you have suggested earlier, and besides all that you say quite clearly "you are going to pay a hefty premium on a HDMI cable"... when in fact any wise consumer knows to shop around for the best price. If not, that's their problem, and has nothing to do with the PS3.However misreading that post still doesn't change the fact that the PS3 can't do HD out of the box, that if you are buying a PS3 at a retail store you are going to pay a hefty premium on a HDMI cable, and that it does not include a headset.
Maybe they feel they are? And that is against the AUP
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But they are profoundly different, and that
I also don't get all the complaining about Home... show me anything like it at all on any other console... and it's bloody free. Seriously, I swear some people just get off complaining, regardless of how ridiculous they are being.
Can we please leave this argument now, for the benefit of the whole site. I use to like seeing this thread pop up in my GTPlanet subscriptions, it usually meant that someone had found good news about the Playstation or related products. But this row has gone on way too long, I think I'm speaking on behalf of the majority of people when I say can we please just leave it now, no one needs to have the final post on the matter.
Are you really sure you want me to go back and quote every post you made that was untrue or misleading in this thread and in the 360 threads? Seriously, is that really what you want me to do, or shall we let sleeping dogs rest?
First of all it most certainly is misleading when you fail to mention the same is true for all but the Elite model 360, and that there is no HDMI cable or headset that comes with the other 360s, and fail to mention the fact that the majority of 360s sold do not even have an HDMi output, let alone a cable for one.
It is also VERY misleading to suggest that just because someone buys a console at a retail store they will buy an HDMI cable there. It is also VERY misleadiing to suggest that the cable will cost $100. I know Best Buy sells them for as little as $50 and Fry's sells them as low as $25. But that's all besides the point. Many people buy consoles at Amazon, and they sell HDMI cable for just $1.78 - so yes it was terribly misleading on your part.
They should have a TV ad where someone goes to purchase a 360 and the guy in the store asks if they want to download add-ons and games, then if they want it hooked up WiFi, and offers them an XBL one year pre-paid card, then rings them up to a tune of $449. The person then glances over and sees a PS3 for $399 and asks how much extra the add-ons for it are and he says, "You don't need any."
you still need an HDMI cable (as much as $100 if you are at some electronic stores)
It was also misleading to suggest there are no bundles from retailers for PS3s that include HDMI. One Google search proves that is not the case.
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just look at every EA game made in the past few years. All rushed and for the most part all worse then what they should have been.
First of all it most certainly is misleading when you fail to mention the same is true for all but the Elite model 360, and that there is no HDMI cable or headset that comes with the other 360s
Can I just ask a question:
Can you play any PS3 games on you PSP on Remote Play? If so, what ones?
That's good to know. That must have changed recently, but unfortunately it's still only the wired headset. I believe the wireless set still lists for $60.The 360 Pro comes with a headset too 👍
The prices in the US seem a bit more balanced than in the UK having read this thread, in the UK a 360 Pro is much cheaper than the basic PS3 to get HD online gaming. But then the 360 doesn't come with a Blu Ray player.
I'll have to check it out... did you make sure to list all the games for the PS3 that are rendered in 1080p? Are there still no games available on the 360 that are rendered in 1080p? Keep in mind, rendered means the graphics were created in 1080p, not simply scaled up to 1080p and outputted, there's a huge difference between the two.I did a price comparison to get HD online gaming in the 360 forum if anyone wants to see the difference (I used in store prices, not online, as there are so many online bundles a comparison would be impossible)
The 360 Pro comes with a headset too 👍
The prices in the US seem a bit more balanced than in the UK having read this thread, in the UK a 360 Pro is much cheaper than the basic PS3 to get HD online gaming. But then the 360 doesn't come with a Blu Ray player.
I did a price comparison to get HD online gaming in the 360 forum if anyone wants to see the difference (I used in store prices, not online, as there are so many online bundles a comparison would be impossible)