Sorry GT4 genius, but clearly not everyone is ready to move on, and facts apparently still need to be cleared up...
I am talking about here and now as I thought we have left that in the past. I really don't want to get into a well you said this a year ago argument, and I won't, but if you feel you must do it.
No I don't need to, that's why I asked first.
Wait not mentioning something is misleading?
When the thing not mentioned is very specific to the argument you are making, then absolutely yes, it is misleading, very much so. By leaving out so much pertinent information, and being so non specific, you are most definitely misleading.
For instance, if I didn't know any better, based on your original comment, I would think all 360s come with HDMI cable and that headsets are "needed", and I might not even know that it's possible to buy a wireless Bluetooth headset for the PS3 for under $20, or that I could get an even longer HDMI cable for less than $10.. and that's all without having to hunt down some special sale.
- The fact is ONLY the Elite comes with an HDMI cable, and at only 2 meters, for many people that's simply not going to be long enough - and more importantly it very clearly said Arcade version in the comparison you seemed so bent on dismissing as extremely biased... despite the fact that they don't even account for the cost of a Blu-ray player and multiple years of XBL.... or even mention all the things the PS3 can do that are not even an option with any 360 model... yeah that's extremely biased... for the benefit of the 360 that is.
I would also think that not only do I have to buy an HDMI cable, but that it could be as much as $100 at some electronic stores.
- The fact is many major retailers sell it for much cheaper, in fact, I'd be very curious to see a list of the retailers whose cheapest HDMI cable sells for as much as $100. Even Best Buy has HDMI for close to half that. Failing to mention that is definitely a form of FUD.
So in just those two posts alone, by leaving out such pertinent details you most definitely were misleading. And this is not at all the first time you have done this, nor are we talking about just last year. You must admit that you often do this. You can be very non specific and are regularly leaving out pertinent facts that don't support your opinion, and then when someone does bring them up, you respond by asking why everyone get's so jumpy and nit picks your posts, and being so serious...
It's because by leaving out all those pesky facts and details you are most definitely misleading people, and some of us do not appreciate that and feel it does a disservice to members who might be misled, lowers the quality of information being shared on this forum, and as proven here, leads to lengthy heated arguments as often the ones doing the misleading will turn it into an argument by trying to suggest that they were not misleading, exaggerating, or making false statements in the first place.
Also the only reason I brought up the HDMI cable and the headset is because it is not exactly true that if someone looked at a PS3 after having a 360 rung up and said "how much are the add ons for that" the answer would be "you wouldn't need anything". You would at the very least need and HDMI cable, which will run at a high premium at an electronic store.
Which, in terms of the HDMI cable, is exactly the same case as every 360 but the Elite, right?
And again, your comments are misleading... what you should say is it "might", assuming one was going to buy it there in the first place.
Besides, if you want to get technical, what about the person who finds out that 2 meters wont reach their TV? Or that the Ethernet cable is too short, or they can't run Ethernet to their 360, and so on.
"you wouldn't need anything" sheds very little light on what people really do need, and how much these systems can and do cost, and this goes for both PS3 and 360 users. It just so happens though that the 360 does in fact have a lot more hidden costs, and despite this still doesn't have features and 3rd party hardware support that the PS3 does. So again , if you are doing a comparison, you simply can't leave those out of the equation.
In MS advertsing, when they constantly refer to the 360 as starting at $199... they aren't referring to the Elite, right? Which again, goes back to the validity of the original comparison which you most definitely have dismissed despite it being factual. More to the point, even when comparing the Elite, it's still more expensive to the PS3, and even the arcade 360 when comparing apples to apples.
I didn't mention bundles, why bring it up?
Because it's pertinent to the discussion Joey... this is the whole point of this argument. You seem to thinks it's not misleading to leave out facts that are not only related to the topic, but that may very well not support your opinion.
BTW: Go back, and you'll see that Sureshot mentioned it to you, and you responded... so apparently it was already brought up so why not bring it up?
Maybe next time you should ask yourself, why
not bring it up, especially if its directly related to the topic?
And yet you are posting in a manner I find abusive since you are claiming I am lying when I am not. Frankly I find that offensive when I have posted nothing but true thing thus far.
First of all you got a lot of nerve to say that... coming from the only person who called anyone's comments as being fanboyish and then calling 'people' (as you wont give names) Sony cheerleaders, and how they are being ridiculous. And that's hardly the first time you have labeled people who have posted facts that don't support your opinion, but you get my point. If anyone is making it personal it's just as much as you as anyone else.
Second of all it's not just about someone who out and out lies about something. The reason the AUP says quite clearly, false, misleading, and inaccurate information is because even exaggerations are forms of lies, as they are intended to bend the truth to help support an opinion which otherwise is weak without it. The same it true for people who leave out pertinant facts as it can easily mislead others into thinking one thing is true when in fact it most certainly is not.
Was it true that the arcade 360 comes with HDMI and a headset? Yeah, I know, you were mistaken, and didn't notice in the comparison that it was an arcade, but it's still misleading all the same.
Was it true that any 360 other than the Elite comes with an HDMI cable?
While I find it difficult to swallow that you have never seen one store in the US offer an HDMI cable with the purchase of a PS3, seeing as like Sureshot and I, we have seen them all the time... but I also didn't claim you were lying about that.
You said the arcade 360 is a royal joke... again a subjective opinion, but upon further analysis, I guess I would have to ask why, considering it's the same as the Elite, other than the color, and only lacks the 120GB hard drive, 2m HDMI cable, the Ethernet cable, and the headset. All of which can be bought for about $200 maybe less... which is the cost difference between the Elite and the Arcade. I agree, that for most people, I suspect they'll want to add those features, but seeing as they can do that without costing more than the Elite, I personally wouldn't call it a joke.
More to the point, you also said in support of your argument that "If you've done minimal research, such as typing in "Xbox 360 Arcade" into Google, you will see it's a bad buy."... so using that same logic that you provided, why then are they unable to search for HDMI and realize how much cheaper it is else where... thus weakening your argument that someone buying a PS3 at a retail store is going to pay a pretty hefty price for HDMI?
You said it was a terribly biased press release? Again I guess this is subjective, but once again, the facts actually show the comparison left out many other costs and features that would have shown the PS3 to be even more of a deal, so again, that comment strikes me as being misleading, or at the very least meaningless.
Do you really want me to go on?
Seriously Joey, prior to your posts about the HDMI cable, no one was really taking any issue with anyone. You posted what you thought was a necessary correction to what FK posted, although in hindsight you now agree what you posted was incorrect, but just because a couple people respectfully corrected your mistake, your response was to get all defensive and ask us why were are all so jumpy and serious, and then even go so far as to claim words were being put into your mouth to change what your original point was
(which BTW can be easily avoided if you stop leaving off so much pertinent facts and stop being so vague about this and that - because when you do, you are left only with assumptions), and claiming 'someone' was trying to make you sound like a PS3-hating-360-fanboy. Which is an absurd way to react when all anyone did was point out your mistake and the facts. If you personally think that makes you look like a PS3-hating-360-fanboy that's on you, no one else.
What really gets me though is you say you expect people to at least read what you wrote and if they disagree, do it in a respectful manner, which I entirely agree with, and yet you didn't read what FK wrote, which is how all this got started in the first place, and when we corrected you, it was most certainly in a respectful manor. If you claim otherwise, by all means explain why you feel that way.
I'm so done with all this nonsense. It's arguments like this that remind me why I don't bother with most opinion based forums as they are so often filled with unbelievable amounts of exaggerations, misleading and inaccurate information.
I'm quite content with simply sharing facts
(and all of them, saying one fact and leaving out others that tell a different or more complete story is again, just misleading), and leave the rest of the nonsense to all the so-called fanboys and such.
In case you missed it...
Apathy may be the easy choice with regards to false claims, but a taking a hard stance ensures that sea of false claims wont plague and degrade the great discussion found on GTPlanet.
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For the record, I did make a peace offering, which apprently went unnoticed, but if you are ready and willing to chalk it up to over reacting in the heat of the moment, and move on to new topics, that's good enough for me.
rologue update take a long time for anyone else? I'm downloading it now and it seems to be a bit on the sluggish side and I'm worried it's my connection as it's been playing up all day.
Maybe i'm missing something really obvious, but why do you need a wireless usb modem at all???
