PS3 General Discussion
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Sprite - You've really gotta play more online games and build up some friends lists 
Playing online is not a 'pain' if you know the people you're playing with, talk with them, etc. The only time that playing online is a 'pain' is if you're playing with anonymous individuals who you don't know, and can potentially ruin the experience. But playing with other members of GTP with whom you get along with, is a blast. It's also easy in most online games to black list people, which means you will never see them again in an online game.
Playing online is not a 'pain' if you know the people you're playing with, talk with them, etc. The only time that playing online is a 'pain' is if you're playing with anonymous individuals who you don't know, and can potentially ruin the experience. But playing with other members of GTP with whom you get along with, is a blast. It's also easy in most online games to black list people, which means you will never see them again in an online game.
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You misunderstood me. I said what you said about AI GT racing not being challenging or rewarding as online racing is crap. I'm sure online play is fun and challenging enough for anyone provided they find 15 other racers who will race honestly and fairly.
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Well, I don't think I should have to use a 1978 What-cha-ma-callit in order to get a challange. If I'm in a Turbo race with 3000GT's, Skylines and what not, I would like to race with similar cars. It's reasonable enough.
I can promise you, even with the 'advancements' they will make with the AI in GT: HD, GT5, GT: Whatever, it will still be no where near a challange to anyone with a smidgen of driving talent.
Finding 15 people who are talented isn't that difficult, btw. You can look in the time trials on this forum and already see that there is a lot of great potential for good drivers, and with time, everyone will learn to avoid collisions, etc, but it's going to be a given for most drivers from the start, since nearly everyone who plays GT is accustomed to having no one else to race against (yenno, since the AI is constantly 5 miles behind you).
It will be a growth process, but after time, there will be absolutely no substitute.
I can promise you, even with the 'advancements' they will make with the AI in GT: HD, GT5, GT: Whatever, it will still be no where near a challange to anyone with a smidgen of driving talent.
Finding 15 people who are talented isn't that difficult, btw. You can look in the time trials on this forum and already see that there is a lot of great potential for good drivers, and with time, everyone will learn to avoid collisions, etc, but it's going to be a given for most drivers from the start, since nearly everyone who plays GT is accustomed to having no one else to race against (yenno, since the AI is constantly 5 miles behind you).
It will be a growth process, but after time, there will be absolutely no substitute.
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And that's why Solid wants better AI, the bottom line is you can make GT4 very, very challenging, but the AI is still crap, which is exactley what Solid was saying. Personally I do a lot more races online than offline, online is fun and all, but that's not to saw screw the offline experience. Online is no excuse for crap AI.
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Well, I think you've already expected this:
Confirmed: PS3 shipping without HDMI cable
by Zhao Jingyu
Sony has been touting the benefits of HDMI ever since the announcement of the PlayStation 3 at last year's E3, and the inclusion of an HDMI cable with every unit has been something which fans of both the console and HDMI have been hoping for. Fans often claimed that the inclusion of an HDMI cable would further acceptance of the standard while critics argued that it would be too expensive and would be better as an option.
Now, it has been revealed via the PlayStation 3's official site that the console will not be shipping with an HDMI cable. HDMI cable not included, reads the site when answering the What is HDMI question.
However, the site is only the official site for the American region and the cables included in other regions may differ. At the moment, it is still unclear what cable the console will be shipping with, although the component cable seems like a likely choice.
The PlayStation 3 will be launching this November 11th in Japan and November 17th in other regions
Ridge Racer details emerge
by Bhavin Shah
Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu has revealed the first details of Namco Bandai's Ridge Racer 7 for PlayStation 3.
As we reported earlier this week, the official Ridge Racer website suggested the game would be revealed this week, and it appears as though Famitsu has had the privilege of unveiling the first tidbits.
Ridge Racer 7's main mode, Ridge State Grand Prix, will feature 160 races spread over 44 tracks (or 22 played in the normal and reverse directions). The series seems to have caught up with competing racers such as Need for Speed by allowing customisation of cars as players progress through the game. The Machine Connector is the place to customise your car in its entirety.
The online component will support 14 players, in a variety of modes including relay and team battle.
Ridge Racer 7 will also take advantage of the PS3's online network platform for downloadable content. The UFLA Special Event is a mode that features events downloaded from Sony's online service.
And finally, there will also be a world rankings table, which will most likely be updated continuously over the online service.
More is expected to be revealed on the official website towards the end of the week.
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Confirmed: PS3 shipping without HDMI cable
by Zhao Jingyu
Sony has been touting the benefits of HDMI ever since the announcement of the PlayStation 3 at last year's E3, and the inclusion of an HDMI cable with every unit has been something which fans of both the console and HDMI have been hoping for. Fans often claimed that the inclusion of an HDMI cable would further acceptance of the standard while critics argued that it would be too expensive and would be better as an option.
Now, it has been revealed via the PlayStation 3's official site that the console will not be shipping with an HDMI cable. HDMI cable not included, reads the site when answering the What is HDMI question.
However, the site is only the official site for the American region and the cables included in other regions may differ. At the moment, it is still unclear what cable the console will be shipping with, although the component cable seems like a likely choice.
The PlayStation 3 will be launching this November 11th in Japan and November 17th in other regions
Ridge Racer details emerge
by Bhavin Shah
Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu has revealed the first details of Namco Bandai's Ridge Racer 7 for PlayStation 3.
As we reported earlier this week, the official Ridge Racer website suggested the game would be revealed this week, and it appears as though Famitsu has had the privilege of unveiling the first tidbits.
Ridge Racer 7's main mode, Ridge State Grand Prix, will feature 160 races spread over 44 tracks (or 22 played in the normal and reverse directions). The series seems to have caught up with competing racers such as Need for Speed by allowing customisation of cars as players progress through the game. The Machine Connector is the place to customise your car in its entirety.
The online component will support 14 players, in a variety of modes including relay and team battle.
Ridge Racer 7 will also take advantage of the PS3's online network platform for downloadable content. The UFLA Special Event is a mode that features events downloaded from Sony's online service.
And finally, there will also be a world rankings table, which will most likely be updated continuously over the online service.
More is expected to be revealed on the official website towards the end of the week.
PS3land.com
Mr Deap
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The trick is to race at noon. Noon racer are clean.
In any racing games, there's always elite. Though very often, the top of the elite will be dirty so he can be the top of the top.
There's around 30000 players that play online in PGR3(There's more, but that a better representation of the active players worldwide). I really doubt that the gran Turismo vision will have less people. Though, you'll find a lot of drifting lobbies due to the popularity & it hide the actual skill of the player.(I won't go online to do drifting.
)Obviously, you will eventually find clean driver everywhere. & I highly recommend playing with CANADIAN players like me. Most Canadian driver are clean, have huge respect over people & we leave the straight away for faster racer. UK driver tend to block the straight away, have a big mouth due to their proudness. European are dirty around corners & Australian are just dirty in general & like ramming, for the US... "I'm drunk, I'm drunk,
I've beat you & I'm drunk " 
, other country is like "Slow down, slow down, so I can pass you" I don't talk that much, but that is my experience overall in TRD2 & PGR3
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The trick is to race at noon. Noon racer are clean.
In any racing games, there's always elite. Though very often, the top of the elite will be dirty so he can be the top of the top.
There's around 30000 players that play online in PGR3(There's more, but that a better representation of the active players worldwide). I really doubt that the gran Turismo vision will have less people. Though, you'll find a lot of drifting lobbies due to the popularity & it hide the actual skill of the player.(I won't go online to do drifting.
Obviously, you will eventually find clean driver everywhere. & I highly recommend playing with CANADIAN players like me. Most Canadian driver are clean, have huge respect over people & we leave the straight away for faster racer. UK driver tend to block the straight away, have a big mouth due to their proudness. European are dirty around corners & Australian are just dirty in general & like ramming, for the US... "I'm drunk, I'm drunk,
I don't talk that much, but that is my experience overall in TRD2 & PGR3
lmfao
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Does anyone know how much the Dev. kit is for the PS3?
Its got to be some crazy number...
Its got to be some crazy number...
The dev kit is priceless. It's not for the public.
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Duċk;2401586
Well, I kind of figured that. But how much did it cost to build?( material wise)
Probably a couple thousand.
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dang, i kind of miss the info now... when they showed the pics of the final dev kit, i remember seeing on qj.net i think, or 1 up yours... but i´m pretty sure the cost was 5,000 dollars.
too salty for me.
no more garage projects for the PS3
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Blu-ray Useful For Gaming Say Devs
The debate over Blu-ray in the PS3 has only intensified as more information has come to light. Many people question whether or not a new format, especially with such a large amount of space, is really required for next generation gaming. Further, many people question whether or not the price increase due to the technology is worth the gain.
However not all views on the format have been doom-and-gloom. Several developers we contacted were eager to tell use why they thought Blu-ray was not only important, but imperative for the PS3 and Sony, and a genuine edge over Microsoft.
Consider that games of the current generation have to use DVD5 or DVD9 for all of their content, points out Mike Ball, Co-founder and CTO of Ninja Theory, the studio behind the anticipated title Heavenly Sword. So roughly the storage medium is 100 times larger than the main RAM of the unit. Although they could, it's rare that a current gen title would take the option of pressing on CD for example. Next generation machines have ~512MB RAM on board, so a DVD5 or DVD9 is only 10-20 times the size of main RAM.
Why is the ratio important? Many games use streaming, so a single level can require many times the amount of data needed to fill the main RAM of the console. Mike goes on to point out that the quality of the content in the future is only increasing, and that the filesizes will follow. Don't forget the streaming audio too. Dialog may be translated to multiple languages especially if a title is for multiple territories. Some audio may be surround sound, so that will push up the size. It's also worth considering HD video especially if it's 1080p @ 60Hz at high quality.
The problem this presents is that the current DVD formats use a larger laser, allowing them to store less data in the same space a smaller laser, like the one in a Blu-ray player, can store and read. Mr. Ball says he thinks it's not a problem for the current titles, [but] I'm sure that many will soon find a single DVD9 to be quite tight. In fact I'm sure it won't be too long before we see multiple disk games being released.
Other developers have said that they value the improved data streaming that Blu-ray provides them, and the ability to create a game without worrying about distributing content between multiple disks. With a single Blu-ray disk, you know that all the data will be there.
While some think that the ability to put games on a single disk is not worth the cost of Blu-ray, the developers clearly disagree. We won't be able to make a completely educated judgment until the system is released, but we are looking forward to seeing the technology in action.
Ps3portal.com
The debate over Blu-ray in the PS3 has only intensified as more information has come to light. Many people question whether or not a new format, especially with such a large amount of space, is really required for next generation gaming. Further, many people question whether or not the price increase due to the technology is worth the gain.
However not all views on the format have been doom-and-gloom. Several developers we contacted were eager to tell use why they thought Blu-ray was not only important, but imperative for the PS3 and Sony, and a genuine edge over Microsoft.
Consider that games of the current generation have to use DVD5 or DVD9 for all of their content, points out Mike Ball, Co-founder and CTO of Ninja Theory, the studio behind the anticipated title Heavenly Sword. So roughly the storage medium is 100 times larger than the main RAM of the unit. Although they could, it's rare that a current gen title would take the option of pressing on CD for example. Next generation machines have ~512MB RAM on board, so a DVD5 or DVD9 is only 10-20 times the size of main RAM.
Why is the ratio important? Many games use streaming, so a single level can require many times the amount of data needed to fill the main RAM of the console. Mike goes on to point out that the quality of the content in the future is only increasing, and that the filesizes will follow. Don't forget the streaming audio too. Dialog may be translated to multiple languages especially if a title is for multiple territories. Some audio may be surround sound, so that will push up the size. It's also worth considering HD video especially if it's 1080p @ 60Hz at high quality.
The problem this presents is that the current DVD formats use a larger laser, allowing them to store less data in the same space a smaller laser, like the one in a Blu-ray player, can store and read. Mr. Ball says he thinks it's not a problem for the current titles, [but] I'm sure that many will soon find a single DVD9 to be quite tight. In fact I'm sure it won't be too long before we see multiple disk games being released.
Other developers have said that they value the improved data streaming that Blu-ray provides them, and the ability to create a game without worrying about distributing content between multiple disks. With a single Blu-ray disk, you know that all the data will be there.
While some think that the ability to put games on a single disk is not worth the cost of Blu-ray, the developers clearly disagree. We won't be able to make a completely educated judgment until the system is released, but we are looking forward to seeing the technology in action.
Ps3portal.com
Mr Deap
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You guys remember stuff about the BD
Here some known blogger debating about it!
Here some known blogger debating about it!
Blu-ray: Industry Vets Debate Gaming Merits
Aug 31, 2006 @ 3:25pm
Summary:
A debate about the benefits of Blu-ray is brewing between industry veterans Ozymandias, a member of the Xbox team, and Mark Deloura, former head of Sony Developer Relations.
Full Text:
Did Sony drop the ball with Blu-ray?
The argument began when Ozymandias (real name: Andre Vrignaud) posted an article on his blog questioning Sony's decision to include Blu-ray in the PS3 over a standard DVD-9 drive, stating that Blu-ray's capacity was "irrelevant for games in this generation."
This prompted Deloura, a personal friend of Vrignaud's, to post a response on his blog countering his anti-Blu-ray arguments. Deloura pointed to ever-growing texture sizes and high-fidelity audio data in next-gen games as one compelling reason behind the need for a high-capacity storage medium like Blu-ray.
"Texture resolutions have increased closer to 16x, which would push us to 32GB if all that data was texture," Deloura wrote. The same goes for audio, which "on PS2 was mostly stereo, two channels. PS3 is 5.1. That's a 3x size increase without even considering fidelity."
Ozymandias had some interesting comebacks to Deloura's words, pointing out that while texture sizes have increased, so too has the reliability and performance of compression ratios. "Resolutions have increased," he wrote, "but so has compression technology - especially over what was available five years ago for the PS2."
Though it sounds like a typical blog flame battle, the conversation is actually a well thought out back-and-forth about the viability of the Blu-ray drive and what it has to potentially offer gamers and comes from two knowledgeable industry sources. Both participants make good points weighing the pros and cons of the Blu-ray format.
Interested parties can read the full discourse here.
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You guys remember stuff about the BD
Here some known blogger debating about it!
That's all stupid worthless crap and not even the bit entertaining.
If you're going to post worthless crap that doesn't mean anything, at least post the funny, laughable crap that I sometimes post.
Now, for real PS3 news...
Interested in Blu-ray movies? Let's hope this next batch of BDs come with improved picture quality over the first batch of BDs.
Aug 31, 2006 - Twentieth Century Fox Announces Its First Blu-ray Releases
Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment today announced its first wave of Blu-ray releases, which will arrive at retail outlets worldwide in November. The first wave of BD releases include Behind Enemy Lines, Fantastic Four, Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut), Kiss of the Dragon, The Omen (666), The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Speed and The Transporter. Taking full advantage of the next generation format's high definition technology and advanced Java-based functionality, titles will be presented with the highest quality audiovisual elements including AVC (MPEG4 Compression) and HD "Lossless" Audio (select tracks) and many have unique interactive special features. The Studio will also release Ice Age: The Meltdown (known as Ice Age 2 Internationally) day-and-date with the DVD release in November.
Aug 31, 2006 - MGM Announces Fourth Quarter Blu-ray Releases
MGM Home Entertainment today announced four new BD releases for the fourth quarter, which are demographically on target with for adopters and Playstation 3 purchasers. Slated for release on November 28, 2006 is Bryan Singer's acclaimed thriller Usual Suspects (day-and-date with a special edition DVD) and the compelling Nicholas Cage-starring action, war film, Windtalkers. On December 5, 2006 the company will release Sylvester Stallone's Academy Award winning, crowd-pleaser, Rocky (day-and-date with a special edition DVD), and the Chow Yun-Fat and Seann William Scott, comic, action thriller, Bulletproof Monk.
Aug 31, 2006 - TDK Develops Blu-ray Media with 200GB Capacity
TDK, a world leader in digital recording solutions, has reached a landmark in the development of recordable blue laser technology, achieving a groundbreaking capacity of 200GB. Bruce Youmans, TDK Vice President of Product Research & Development, said: "The ultra-ambitious technology roadmap for Blu-ray has now been confirmed as realistic, with landmarks such as this proving the long term value of the format against its rivals. TDK was the first to develop a prototype 100GB recordable Blu-ray Disc, and yet again, our landmark achievement in creating a 200GB disc is affirming the company's position as a true pioneer in advancing the capabilities of optical media."
Aug 31, 2006 - Sun Microsystems Joins Blu-ray Disc Association Board of Directors
The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) today announced that Sun Microsystems, the creator and leading advocate of Java technology, has joined the consortium's Board of Directors. "Sun's announcement today is another example of the tremendous support for Blu-ray Disc," said Victor Matsuda, Vice/President/Chair, Blu-ray Disc Association's Global Promotion Committee, Sony Corporation of America. "Sun has already played a key role in the powerful new interactive features that set Blu-ray apart, and we look forward to working with them as we bring this revolutionary new disc format to consumers." Sun joins the growing list of computing, consumer electronics, media, manufacturing, gaming and entertainment companies supporting the Blu-ray Disc platform.
Mr Deap
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There's actual fact if you click on the link. I think some people are interested to see the real fact about what is the BluRay & all.
Like multiple language in a single disk.
A point about the onlnie/offline racing and GT. I dont think anyones mentioned this point. I feel the thing that makes GT so good is the fact that its offline is good. As in.. its challenging. It makes you try, try, and try again. It makes you practise and perfect. And thats what makes agood Single Player/offline game. Of course as you guys say so well... that doesnt, or shouldn't have influence on the online aspect. And i've been singing that tune for years. Take Battlefield 2 for example. Great game... so single player at all. totally left out. Hell its taken them a long time to even put SOME kind of single player thing in there. Many ppl simply can't get online. Or if they can... its still on dial up. And i REALLY hate how everyone assumes that everyone else CAN get online AND will be on there 24/7. Like the way computers are going... to run software you have to have acomputer online. THAT IS UTTER CRAP! And i really hate how it gets ignored and no one stands up and protests about this kind of thing.
I'd really like a GT online/network feature. But if they do a half arse job like they did in GT3/4.. then they can stick it where the sun don't shine. And i'll pirate the software untill they actaully do some damn WORK and earn their pay.
NB: Is it just me... or does no one else notice such shortcomings. Take PGR3, you can play 2 player on one console.. yet you can't play 2 player over XBL. WTF is it with that? This type of thing is so frustrating. Very much like that aspect in GT3/4. Youcan play 2 player split screen.... but hook 2 consoles up and you get less options and less functionality then a PSP without a battery.
I'd really like a GT online/network feature. But if they do a half arse job like they did in GT3/4.. then they can stick it where the sun don't shine. And i'll pirate the software untill they actaully do some damn WORK and earn their pay.
NB: Is it just me... or does no one else notice such shortcomings. Take PGR3, you can play 2 player on one console.. yet you can't play 2 player over XBL. WTF is it with that? This type of thing is so frustrating. Very much like that aspect in GT3/4. Youcan play 2 player split screen.... but hook 2 consoles up and you get less options and less functionality then a PSP without a battery.
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There's actual fact if you click on the link. I think some people are interested to see the real fact about what is the BluRay & all.
Like multiple language in a single disk.
No, saying they could have used DVD9 and some sort of compression technology is pure crap.
You, and those idiots arguing this point, fail to see Blu-ray was going to be used with HD movies and TV shows up to 1080p. It also was going to be used for computer where bigger storage space rules. With 200GB possible, I fail to see why Sony should have used DVD9 and some form of compression. Sony came up with the proper solution. Now, if they just used it to its full potential, we'll be in business.
Mr Deap
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Actually, some game will use the DVD if you read the blog. At 8X it will save some space & add up better loading time for smaller games. They made a comparison of the compression ratio on the PS2 compare to actual GPU. Movies goes the same way. it's like comparing DIVX to WMV. WMV use more power, but the compression ratio is better than DIVX.
I don't imagine that Sony will make you install the game each time you buy a new one... >_>
Games have to load around 150MB through the ram on each event. Here an easy overview of how long you can wait between the DVD & Bluray format using the PS3.
PS3:
BD 2X: 150MB/9mb = 16sec
DVD 8X: 150MB/11.08MB = 13.5~sec
Don't get angry, but here a representation of the XBOX 360 DVD drive speed for 150MB
XBOX 360: 150MB/16.62MB = 9sec
Those number make some sense, cause I actually wait around 7~11 sec when playing PGR3 on my 360. Though that's an overview. With the hard drive you will have to install the software each time you buy one, though, if the game is 40GB, you gotta install at least 20GB...
The question is, how long will it take to install 20GB?
BD 2X: 20000MB/9MB=222.22­¯sec, so around 37min to wait each time you buy a new big game.
OK...
But here the tricky part... When I play DOA4, there's no loading at all between fight & character... Do you know why?
Here is the real reason. The data are compressed in the disk & it is decompressed into the GPU. Sound & video are streamed by the disk, so for the PS3, a maximum of 9MB/sec with all the 5.1 & all that run off the disk, not to mention the game running over it & stream some texture too.
Edit:
So you know what it mean?
Data don't take as much space as you think.
You know that the PS2 have a 2X DVD & the load in GT4 isn't that long. 2X DVD=2.77 MB/s
GT4 loading time is like 2 times 5sec, 1 between race & the other from the menu to the map. 10X2.77=27MB. It make some sense for a game like GT4. But a PC game with 6 car & a track like tsukuba will take less than 27MB for sure. The Dreamcast only had 16MB of ram & see how texture differ from both machine. This is compression ratio. Crazy Taxi rip only take 70MB
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Yeah, those experts and game developers ain't know nothing, MS did the right thing, they just throw in the same old DVD9 for their NEXT GEN console and they were able to rush their console one year ealier. Who needs bluray?We can have multi discs, or compress the whole damn game, see?
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They're in the region of £15,000.
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I can think of a few much older games that manage to make the single player game just as exciting as the online play because the A.I. is good.
O' RLY? That's why the PS2 has an optical out cable than, isn't it?Mr. Deap's Article
Um...doesn't that kind of negate the point of higher resolutions?Mr. Deap's Article
Robin
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Whats this about buying dev kits!
Actually I want to put a question foreward....... If the PS3 is ment to be slightly better in terms of graphical capability will developers of multi platform games bother to do an entirely different bulid of each game to take advantage of the extra power.......or, more worryingly, will all the games be ports of the 360 version......?
When it was PS2 and Xbox this had to be done but now the consoles are alot more closely matched.....
Ofcourse for exclusive PS3 developers there wont be an issue.
Actually I want to put a question foreward....... If the PS3 is ment to be slightly better in terms of graphical capability will developers of multi platform games bother to do an entirely different bulid of each game to take advantage of the extra power.......or, more worryingly, will all the games be ports of the 360 version......?
When it was PS2 and Xbox this had to be done but now the consoles are alot more closely matched.....
Ofcourse for exclusive PS3 developers there wont be an issue.
Robin
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If they are so different then will the developers do a hugely different build for each system? Most developers are lazy and will just keep it exactly the same for each version which would really anger me! They will probably think that no one will notice.....is all next gen!
Mr Deap
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Obviously, it doesn't change the fact that BluRay have more space. I'm just telling that game data don't take that much space. Now games are obviously bigger, meaning that it will take more time to make. I don't think games will take longer to finish just because the media storage is bigger.
Whats this about buying dev kits!
Actually I want to put a question foreward....... If the PS3 is ment to be slightly better in terms of graphical capability will developers of multi platform games bother to do an entirely different bulid of each game to take advantage of the extra power.......or, more worryingly, will all the games be ports of the 360 version......?
When it was PS2 and Xbox this had to be done but now the consoles are alot more closely matched.....
Of course for exclusive PS3 developers there wont be an issue.
The graphic capability of the PS3 is a huge "?"
I'm not meaning it will be worst than the 360, but I wonder how good it is... November will justify the result.
Edit:
This is one of the reason why I won't get a PS3 at launch.
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