PURE | Flyin' Miata Super Cup | Grand Finale Results & Points Posted!
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I'll be sending out a PM to all the Laguna Seca eligible racers to make sure they will be attending. Anyone that doesn't respond or cannot make it will be replaced with drivers below the cutoff spot. I will send this PM out in the next few days.
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This may be a silly question, but how are we deciding the series champion? Is it solely based on the finishing order at Laguna, or do our points from the prior races factor in as well?
BTW, got quite a number of vids from prior races I haven't uploaded yet. Might as well get that started:
BTW, got quite a number of vids from prior races I haven't uploaded yet. Might as well get that started:
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Will the safety car be present at Laguna? I'm not sure I can make it at the moment, but after Rome Reverse, if the safety car is implemented again, I'll gracefully bow out and allow someone else to take my spot.
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For the record, I had no intention of bringing out the safety car. Unfortunately, my car did an 180, and with my track map at 2, trying to get it back around in such a small space with traffic I couldn't see approaching was notoriously difficult. I already have a vid of what happened, but I'm still uploading other clips.
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I'm not sure I see the problem.
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Did anyone hit Rich after his crash? We're any other cars damaged from it? Was this incident pretty much the same as the one I had at Murray Valley?
You may have your reasons for calling the safety car, but as it was a single car incident and going by our previous weeks, these haven't warranted the safety car.
You may have your reasons for calling the safety car, but as it was a single car incident and going by our previous weeks, these haven't warranted the safety car.
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There are more Rome Reverse clips, but I thought I'd get these first two out of the way:
And here's my crash that brought out the safety car:
And here's my crash that brought out the safety car:
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Yes, however: I saw the crash, I grabbed by keyboard and I waited. It looked like he was having trouble getting going and there were cars coming quickly. After a couple nearly hit him, I made the decision to call it.
I'm not sure if there's anything I can do right around here anymore. People bitched and moaned that I called too many safety cars, so I get really picky about what I called them out for. We go several races with no cautions, then all of a sudden have one race with one single safety car period, and I still get my head chewed off. What the hell am I supposed to do? Everyone knew by reading the OP before they signed up (it was read, right?) what this season was going to be about. Apart from that, if people are going to question how I'm running this thing then I'm done because if everyone thinks it should be run differently then I don't want to continue. We'll just end it right here and now. The Laguna Seca race is really just for fun and to find the ultimate driver from this series, and I could care less if we complete it.
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I gotta say I was a little disapointed to see the caution come out, but mostly because I hadn't seen one all season. I missed the Suzuka race where I guess you had some, but D2 went the rest of the season w/o a SC till then.
The car was in a bad spot and it is a quick judgement call on wether or not to bring out a yellow. I know from spending a couple years working as the front stretch official at a local dirt track that you call your gut and hope it's right. I don't really have too much problem with the call on this one. Could have gone either way, but it did lead to some confusion on the bunch up.
It also killed any chance I had at a better finish. I saw Rich sitting and knew I could get by. I had just found my groove and was hitting my marks well as I slid by into 2nd place. The restart didn't go as well for me, as I slid back until finaly getting the wall on lap 15. Stopped early to repair damage and get some new shoes.
Ran quite a few laps with Aliens after that, but found that pesky wall again to finish out with minor damage.
But nice shot of me butchering the kink on lap 1, Rich. Sorry again to everyone for backing things up there a bit. She just wouldn't stick on cold rubber. Best of luck to everybody next week.
The car was in a bad spot and it is a quick judgement call on wether or not to bring out a yellow. I know from spending a couple years working as the front stretch official at a local dirt track that you call your gut and hope it's right. I don't really have too much problem with the call on this one. Could have gone either way, but it did lead to some confusion on the bunch up.
It also killed any chance I had at a better finish. I saw Rich sitting and knew I could get by. I had just found my groove and was hitting my marks well as I slid by into 2nd place. The restart didn't go as well for me, as I slid back until finaly getting the wall on lap 15. Stopped early to repair damage and get some new shoes.
Ran quite a few laps with Aliens after that, but found that pesky wall again to finish out with minor damage.
But nice shot of me butchering the kink on lap 1, Rich. Sorry again to everyone for backing things up there a bit. She just wouldn't stick on cold rubber. Best of luck to everybody next week.
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I think you've done great with this new format and having the issues we had. Bunch of perfectionist and you are bound for a delay of sorts. Bound to hash and rehash. It's just the openness and perfectionism of the group that leads to outspoken things that can be tiresome to the director. As its all falls on his plate. Well done RT with the running and organization. I was pleased all season long. Took a few races to get a groove and actually race for top fives. Lose a few Aliens and I grabbed a few podiums. Was fun aspect of running teams. Pretty cool having outlaw and I being on a team with you being the team owner. There was a. Lot things to me and surely others that brought more realism to the series.
Thank you racers as well. Incredible group. Look forward to every Sunday.
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You got your head chewed off? It seems I caught you at a bad time I guess and I'm sorry about that. In the future I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
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You weren't the only one. I almost lost it there, which actually helped since it slowed me down enough I didn't hit you hard enough for damage. The second time my car did that at the kink, that's when I lost it. Worse, it happened a third time after the restart, and I got right front damage.
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I know as the one who crashed, I can't be entirely objective here. However, the way I saw it, my car did an 180 at the worst possible spot, right after the kink where the exit is blind and the track is very narrow. I was a bad enough hazard already, but when my attempt to spin it back around failed, I was in a worse spot than before, sideways blocking the track. Right after I got the car going forwards, the message popped up, so I saw that as a safety car due to a major road hazard.
I compare this situation to F1 when a car crashes in a narrow part of a street course, there's no crane nearby, and it's too dangerous for the stewards to push it out of the way. If anything, deploying the safety car in my case is a touch of realism, which is the whole point of this series. Unfortunately, we had two incidents in the race that, in real life, have resulted in a safety car, but because of our "no SC in the final laps" rule, they weren't called. I can't stress how lucky that I wasn't taken out in both cases. Those clips I'll have up later, btw.
In your case at Murray Valley, well, hate to bring this clip up again, but:
Your car was generally pointed in the right direction, you're clearly visible to oncoming traffic, and the track's much wider. If you ended up backwards like I have, it might have been a different story, depending on whether you could've turn it around safely.
A side point to all this. Even though the safety car got me back in the mix with fresh tires, I ended up messing up at the kink a 2nd time, which forced me into the pits a few laps before you went in. Therefore, once everything cycled through, I was still behind you with older rubber, so it's not like I had an edge that allowed me to keep pace.
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Let me start out by saying I'm not a huge fan of the safety car in the first place, so my point may be a bit biased. After outlaw spun, he was out of traffic, only when he began to turn around he was right in the middle of traffic. If it was a blind corner, why not wait for the second wave of drivers to come thru? Not saying anyone is right or wrong, but the safety car was called for a single car incident, then after that, the one car that caused the accident started 5th during the restart?(just going by memory here, could be wrong). Just has to suck if you were in Welsh's shoes, leading the one guy he is battling with for the division, he makes a huge mistake, gets damage(kind of the point to running heavy damage, no?), then starts a few spots back on the restart. Just my opinion, tough call either way.
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This x1000.
A race was lost because a driver made mistakes and gave it away. That's racing. It's what this series is all about, being realistic as much as we can be and it's up to the drivers to make critical decisions that will effect the outcome of their race. Case in point, Owens was sitting pretty with a 30 second lead and maybe could have gone the entire distance without stopping again. I was hoping he wouldn't, but I think somewhere along the way he damaged the car and was forced to pit.
There's a lot to keep track of. Welsh had the race in hand until he made a mistake and damaged his car, causing him to lose time and in the end, the race win. Jay had a bad crash on the last lap but I could do nothing and was helpless watching him try to bring it home AFTER he was almost hit by outlaw (which could have ruined his win) and a couple other cars because of the no cautions rule at the end of the race.
Add in all the other incidents that happened, and it's a lot to keep track of during a race. I spend about 80% of my time during the race watching the little map in the corner to make sure the little triangles are all facing the right direction. When one goes around, I then have to find out who it is, what's going on, and then decide on a course of action (or lack thereof).
It all comes down to outlaw being in a bad spot and rather than have something bigger happen, I decided to call the SC. From there it's up to each driver to plan out the rest of their race. I told everyone during the yellow that they could pit if they wanted. Some did, some didn't. What happens after that is up to everyone on the track.
@ bdub: I guess the reason I am upset is that he is blaming the safety car for him losing the race, when in actuality it was his contact with the wall late in the race that ended his chance for the win. Not my fault.
Also, the safety car was a key point of this season. Those that were going to have an issue with it probably shouldn't have signed up. Harsh to say, but it was pretty clear.
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Just for clarification on my actions:
First, I was in a hurry, believing that even if my crash didn't bring out an SC, there could be another later on. Long shot, but that was my only motivation to keep going. Second, my track map is set to 2, which is great when you're side-by-side with someone. Not so much in my situation when I had no clue how much time I had to turn it around. Third, from what I saw during the race, there's no defined racing line at that section. I ran left and drifted right after the crest while others stayed right. I wasn't sure which side to stay at, although I had trouble just keeping the car straight. Last, only reason I restarted 5th was because some people waited to pit, while others inexplicably didn't. Not sure why since in the OP, it states that we can pit during ANY time during the safety car period, which is exactly what I did.
The fact that heavy damage is not only 100% fixed, but done quickly, is something I pointed out in the past. However, that's something the game is doing. There are ways to compensate such as closing pit road until everyone's back in line and/or have damaged cars start at the rear. Just throwing ideas out there.
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I'll admit I'm not a fan of the safety car, although it was more because I'd thought it would give you a lot of grief. Yes, I'm playing the "I told you so" card.
On a more serious note, if we want to continue using the safety car concept beyond this series, it's better to have a disclaimer saying that the call is ultimately at the discretion of the director.
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I understand you can't say that the safety car cost Welsh the race, but if he didnt have outlaw pushing him, who's to say he makes that mistake? I can see where you saw the second group closing in on the scene of the accident, but nobody hit outlaw, so really the yellow was brought out for a single car accident. When you bring out the safety car it resets the field, pretty much, so it doesnt matter, why not wait to see if there was contact, then make the call(a lot easier when you have time to think about it
I'm not trying to take anybody's side, just trying to see if we can make the safety car system better.👍
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This sums up my thoughts exactly.
Cheers RT for one of the best series I've raced in, easily one of the best organised and visually pleasing too! Backed up by some of the best drivers I've raced with too, its been a pleasure.
IMO, I really enjoyed the SC. The first series I've raced in which has had one (possibly the first ever?) and I know most guys wont agree, but i really found it useful especially for guys like me who have the worst starts ever, either get knocked by another driver, over brake and let everybody past, or simply have an awful grid start. I do hope this SC feature will be implemented in future series!
Really hope there will be a season 5 too! Really gutted I didn't make the top 7 due to a crappy ending (simply didn't prepare enough). Best of luck in the final guys!
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There's no way around it. The concept of a safety car (technically, it's more like a safety period) means that there will be those that will benefit and those that will not. Case in point. In the most recent NASCAR race, the leader of the race, Tony Stewart, had the race in the bag when caution came out. Everyone pitted, but his stop was slow, allowing another driver, Kyle Busch to take the lead which he held on for the win.
That being said, Stewart did complain about the caution as it was for a water bottle on the track. Most people find that to be a lousy reason, which I agree with. The point is that I'm trying to make is that the safety car will influence results, so it requires (hopefully) sound judgment from the one calling it, and the acceptance from the drivers that sometimes, the calls don't always go their way, or comes at the wrong time.
If someone did hit me, then we'd be complaining that a safety car wasn't called out in the first place for a pileup that could have been prevented with a proactive call.I understand you can't say that the safety car cost Welsh the race, but if he didnt have outlaw pushing him, who's to say he makes that mistake? I can see where you saw the second group closing in on the scene of the accident, but nobody hit outlaw, so really the yellow was brought out for a single car accident. When you bring out the safety car it resets the field, pretty much, so it doesnt matter, why not wait to see if there was contact, then make the call(a lot easier when you have time to think about it
There's no way around it. The concept of a safety car (technically, it's more like a safety period) means that there will be those that will benefit and those that will not. Case in point. In the most recent NASCAR race, the leader of the race, Tony Stewart, had the race in the bag when caution came out. Everyone pitted, but his stop was slow, allowing another driver, Kyle Busch to take the lead which he held on for the win.
That being said, Stewart did complain about the caution as it was for a water bottle on the track. Most people find that to be a lousy reason, which I agree with. The point is that I'm trying to make is that the safety car will influence results, so it requires (hopefully) sound judgment from the one calling it, and the acceptance from the drivers that sometimes, the calls don't always go their way, or comes at the wrong time.
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As someone who got boned by the SC on more than one occasion and I also played race director at Monza in RT's absence. So I know both sides of the equation. It's a tough situation on both sides and the best thing to do is just chill out and let it go.
I'm pretty pleased with the safety car situation, our job is just to shut-up and drive and trust race control to do what they think is the best call at the moment. Bickering in retrospect does nothing but brew bad feelings.
Lets just remember we do this for fun. and ease back from the chicanegate/sc nonsense because that isn't fun.
I'm looking forward to the final this weekend racing with the best of the "other division"... see you all on track 👍
I'm pretty pleased with the safety car situation, our job is just to shut-up and drive and trust race control to do what they think is the best call at the moment. Bickering in retrospect does nothing but brew bad feelings.
Lets just remember we do this for fun. and ease back from the chicanegate/sc nonsense because that isn't fun.
I'm looking forward to the final this weekend racing with the best of the "other division"... see you all on track 👍
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Obviously people like the safety car, as stated earlier in the thread. But.. There will always be judgement calls......
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Exactly, and I think it's up to myself as the race director to make those calls. I think I made the right one, and that's pretty much it.
Moving on.
Moving on.
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Yes, let's.
Good news. I'll be able to race this weekend after all. 👍
Bad news. Despite my win there, I'm not that great at Laguna Seca.
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I'm pretty sure RT is okay with me posting this, since he did say he would do it himself,
But you're all invited to the season finale of the Integras on Sunday. 55 laps of Grand Valley, which should take about 2 hours. I know a lot of you guys don't like the car (drivetrain discrimination
), but if the previous races were any indication, it should be a good race.
So yeah, check it out. We'll probably need about 4/5 drivers for a full grid.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=246902
But you're all invited to the season finale of the Integras on Sunday. 55 laps of Grand Valley, which should take about 2 hours. I know a lot of you guys don't like the car (drivetrain discrimination
), but if the previous races were any indication, it should be a good race.So yeah, check it out. We'll probably need about 4/5 drivers for a full grid.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=246902
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